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[Emeraldfern]

@Squee

As it should. And it really is cool, I only found out late (I don't have facebook personally)

[Seifer006]

So We Can Measure Their Heads For Trophies

oh wait........wrong thread

[Bluecansam]

Keythe is a class act!

Also, from a completely objective point of view, why wouldn't Keythe support us? If we're successful, he gets more work!

[AresKeith]

Bluecansam wrote...

Keythe is a class act!

Also, from a completely objective point of view, why wouldn't Keythe support us? If we're successful, he gets more work!

more work means we can get Thane back as a squad member

[Emeraldfern]

Bluecansam wrote...

Keythe is a class act!

Also, from a completely objective point of view, why wouldn't Keythe support us? If we're successful, he gets more work!

Not only that, from what I heard in interviews (Post ME2) he really liked working as a VA for Thane too.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:44 .

[RShara]

I'd also like to mention that the ME3 writers changed Kepral's Syndrome. In 2, it was documented as the lungs not handling oxygen correctly due to massive bacteria infection. And in ME3 it turned into a blood disorder/hemoglobin problem (which really can't be treated by antibiotics, btw).

If you want to say I'm wrong, please show proof, as I can show what was said in ME2

Modifié par RShara, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[LanceSolous13]

Ok, I will finish this once and for all with quotes from the game itself damn it.

There are two cures in Mass Effect 2 I can pull direct quotes from. The third; Medi-Gel for the Lungs, I would be very appreceative if someone could post quotes links and ete for me.

First one is brought up in the very first conversation with Thane...

***

Shepard: "Can't the Hanar do something about that?"
Thane: "The Hanar have funded a Genetic Engineering Program. They should be able to adapt us. The project has only been running for a few years. I do not believe my body will draw breath by the time it bears fruit."

***

The Second Cure is discussed in the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC for Mass Effect 2...

***

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell.

Therapy and Care: At this time, Mr. Krios should continue getting regular cardiovascular exercise in order to stimulate lung movement and prevent or delay the stiffness that causes lack of oxygen transport. While physical stimulation may also be beneficial in keeping tissues flexible, any injury at this point will dramatically impact Mr. Krios' body and cause rapid degeneration. It is unclear how much longer Thane will be able to serve in direct action. Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem.

The drell eidetic memory is often beneficial in allowing drell to escape unpleasant scenes by losing themselves in happier times. In this case, however, Mr. Krios should try to restrict the time spent reminiscing as prolonged sedentary activity increase the rate of lung degradation.

This suggests that what is best for Mr. Krios currently is to continue to remain active and engage with other team members in order to stay mentally and emotionally stimulated.

***

The third cure, as I mentioned above, was the Medi-gel for the Lungs. Someone else will have to back that up for me though the above is evidence enough.

Kepral's Syndrome is also retcon'd between games. In Mass Effect 2, Thane describes it very differently...

Thane: "...Our lungs can't deal with the moisture. Over time, the tissue losses its ability to absorb oxygen. It becomes harder to breathe."

In Mass Effect 3 however...

Thane: "At times. The oxygen transfer proteins don't form correctly. Your human equivelent would be hemoglobin. As a result, My blood is low in oxygen. No matter how much I breathe in, I get tingling; numbness... and that's the best of it."

Moving on to Thane's ammount of time left in the galaxy...

Mass Effect 2...

Shepard: "Are you going to be alright till the end of the mission?"
Thane: "I should be fine for another 8 to 12 months. The more times I spend in human environments; The faster it progresses. I think its safe to say that by the time my body is incompasitated, We'll be victorious. Or dead."

Mass Effect 3...

Shepard: "Do you know how much time you have left?"
Thane: "I've been to several doctors. My favorite gaves me three months to live...nine months ago."

This statement can be proven false as six months previously, Thane was on the Normandy SR-2 stating that he would be fine for 8 to 12 months till fighting and such would become too strenuious.

Now, moving onto the most important part, Thane's Character Development is utterly ignored.

Mass Effect 2's first conversation with Thane Krios...

Shepard: "You don't act like a dying man. You have the advantage there Shepard; You've already died. Perhapse later you can give me some suggestions. I can do nothing to alter my fate. One advantage of my training is that I've always, to some degree, considered myself dead. "

Later conversations find Thane remembering happier times as he is resigned for death. He out right states that he is reviewing his life due to his condition.

Now, After you save Kolyat from taking out his target and gain Thane's Loyalty, Thane is found writing to Kolyat instead of reviewing his life...

Shepard: "Have a few mins to talk?"
Thane: "Very well. I am... I had been recording a message for Kolyat."
Shepard: " How are things going with him?"
Thane: "It is difficult. All things worth keeping are..."

A bit later...

Thane: "Irraka woke me up. When she passed, I returned to my battle sleep."

The next conversation...

Thane: "...I accepted the Dantius commission because I didn't know what else to do."
Shepard: "Not the healthiest attitude to take on a mission."
Thane: "You're right; it's not. Looking back now, It was clear I'd RESIGNED (past tence) to death. I would have fulfilled my contract. If Nasanna's guards caught me afterwards, It would have been a good death."
Thane: "But someone else was pushing to reach the target; forcing me to move faster; challenging me. I had to reach her first."
Shepard: "I had no idea you planned to die in there."
Thane: "It wasn't a plan. My body HAD (past tence) accpeted its death. My mind had been dead a long time. But I met another Siha. Few are privledged to meet even one."
Shepard: "You still haven't told me what a 'Siha' is."
Thane: "One of the warrior angles of the Goddess Arashu; freace and wrath; a tenacious protector. I confess, I've come to care for you."

It should be duely noted that Shepard 'awakes' Thane (from his battle sleep) based off of the Loyalty regardless of romance as its based off of his Recruitment Mission and following Loyalty Mission.

In the next conversation...

Shepard: "...How are you holding up?"
Thane: "I am looking forward to the end of the mission. It has been many years since I felt I could relax anywhere."
Shepard: "I spent two years dead. Every moment seems irreplacable now."
Thane: "I spent ten years dead. I understand the feeling. Strange that I should only reawaken now, when there is so little time left."

Taking the Neutral Option of the previous conversation...

Shepard: "We owe ourselves a memorable vacation. We should pick a destination. There must be some travel brosures in the ship's computer."
Thane: "I would very much like to see....A desert."

Note: The homeworld of the Drell, before they were brought to Kahje by the Hanar, was a desert planet.

Now, Moving on to Thane's romance scene...

Shepard: "Thane..."
Thane: "Siha, I-...I have known I will die for many years. I have tried to leave the galaxy better than I'd found it. You've helped me achieve more than I thought possible. We've righted many wrongs; I've spoken to my son (something you do in the LM, not romance spesific) ... I should be at peace on the eve of battle."
Shepard: "Stop. Don't give me a speach..."
Thane: "I-I'm ashamed."
A tear slides down Thane's cheek and his slams his fist into the desk
Thane: "I've worked so hard; Meditated and preyed and done good deeds; attoned for the evils I've done; prepaired. I consider my body's death and chill settles in my gut. I'm afraid and it shames me."
Shepard: "Thane...Be alive with me tonight."

It is very obvious from the above mentioned dialogue that Thane doesn't want to die and is afraid of death because of the life with Kolyat/and Shepard. This is not the same as the Thane we see in Mass Effect 3 and is a complete U turn from his character development from Mass Effect 2.

In closing, Thane was utterly a completely derailed in Mass Effect 3.

[Emeraldfern]

So.. this is the CDN article:

07/13/2010 - Eupulmos Device Helping Victims of Respiratory Diseases

“A new technology is helping victims of the Vallum Blast breathe easier -- literally. Researchers at U. Thierax are attacking the myriad of respiratory diseases caused by inhaling dust around the blast site. Dubbed "medi-gel for the lungs," the Eupulmos Device analyzes a patient's tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient's genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient's nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue and has a color-coded nozzle at each end with separate agent reservoirs for dextro and levo patients. Said one ER staffer, "The effect is incredible. In a year, the whole galaxy will be using these things."”

And here is the Letter which can be read in LoTSB (the letter itself is written post-suicide mission):


Siha,
 
I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.
 
Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.
 
I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.
 
The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was content to simply watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.
 
I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.
 
I will await you across the sea.
 
Thane
 
 
 
 

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:29 .

[Blueprotoss]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Tis' odd that he would write this then:

"If you want to support the effort: Feel free to follow @savethane on twitter"

Yet you still forget that its mainly about Second Life not ME.

Emeraldfern wrote... 

Pray tell what is this cut content you speak of?

Ironically you showed that cut content from ME2 from a "source" called Wikia.

Emeraldfern wrote... 

The mentions of possible treatments for Kepral's Syndrome I have seen were either referenced in-game in ME2 via both dialogue and LoTSB, or CDN (Cerberus News Network) articles which technically are in-game, as long as you used a Cerberus pass and were on-line.

Yet the possible cures aren't really "cures" since Kepral Syndrome is a red blood cell based disease like Cystic Fibrosis.  Btw the medi-gel was for Hanar use and a lung transplant is a double-edged sword based on organ rejection, blood/oxygen lose, and ttime could have been lengthened/reduced for the paitent.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm fine with Thane dieing in ME3 just like Mordin, Legion, and Miranda dieing for me as well.  Characters are written in certaiin ways just like how Thane, Mordin, Legion, and Miranda had their own roles for the trilogy.

you can keep Mordin and Miranda alive, but I cured the genophage so my Mordin died, ME charcters were always written based of your choices, most of that changed in ME3

Yet you seem to forget that their sacrafices aren't done in vain or against their characters just like how its done with Thane.  Choice has always been around in the series and you act as if ME3 was the only had specific story events that Bioware choose for us while that has happened before in ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:08 .

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

I'd also like to mention that the ME3 writers changed Kepral's Syndrome. In 2, it was documented as the lungs not handling oxygen correctly due to massive bacteria infection. And in ME3 it turned into a blood disorder/hemoglobin problem (which really can't be treated by antibiotics, btw).

Assmptions are just assumptions since Kepral Syndrome hasn't changed just like its real life comparison of Cystic Fibrosis.  It doesn't matter whether or not you get a lung transplant based on how its a red blood cell disease.  You shouldn't forget that surgery in general would cause more harm then good like organ rejection, drugs to prevent rejection can damage your body, basic blood lose that would also cause oxygen lose, and its a gamble that can lengthen/shorten your lifespan.

RShara wrote... 

If you want to say I'm wrong, please show proof, as I can show what was said in ME2

Writers like to change their scripts all the time while this happens a lot in movies, tv shows, comics, novels, and video games.  Its nothing new and you should expect it instead of complaining about it.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:19 .

[AresKeith]

so if your constantly saying were ignoring facts and making assumptions, why are you still here?

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

so if your constantly saying were ignoring facts and making assumptions, why are you still here?

Pot calling the kettle black especially when the facts are what Bioware wants to do and the opinions are some people demanding change to conflict with an established character written in someone else's story.  Maybe you should learn something like how you're ignoring the facts and making assumptions.

[RShara]

I think he's talking about how I posted this screenshot.



Which btw, isn't cut content as it's the Writer's correction of bad info on the Wikia. The content is actually in-game

But let's just ignore that since it doesn't fit into a certain argument....and since it's fact, rather than senseless quibbling with no proof or in-game evidence...

Modifié par RShara, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[Blueprotoss]

Squeegee83 wrote...

@Blueprotoss: Ya got determination, I'll give you that. However, remember when you suggested to me and I'm going to write it in a saying, "There is so much you can beat a dead snake". Prehaps it's time for you to take your own advice.

I never typed that and thats definately not one of my comments while its ironic when you guys should move on because Bioware isn't going to change their minds anytime soon.  You should also know that changing Thane now in ME3 would conflict his established character and his character traits in the ME series, which means you're barking up the wrong tree with Bioware.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:17 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

so if your constantly saying were ignoring facts and making assumptions, why are you still here?

Pot calling the kettle black especially when the facts are what Bioware wants to do and the opinions are some people demanding change to conflict with an established character written in someone else's story.  Maybe you should learn something like how you're ignoring the facts and making assumptions.

how about instead of using phrases and talking in circles like you always do, you actually answer the question

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

I think he's talking about how I posted this screenshot.



Which btw, isn't cut content as it's the Writer's correction of bad info on the Wikia. The content is actually in-game

But let's just ignore that since it doesn't fit into a certain argument....and since it's fact, rather than senseless quibbling with no proof or in-game evidence...

Yet this still isn't in the final script which is why it would be cut content and why you're resorting to Wikia to look for "facts".  Btw thats only from one of the writer's if this is actually real and the facts are that you'e using opinions not facts.  I should also add that there's no cure for Kepral Syndrome other then not getting the disease just like Cystic Fibrosis in real life.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .

[RShara]

It  IS  in the final cut of ME2.  He's correcting the same misconception that you have, that Thane was ashamed of his past deeds, rather than being ashamed because he's afraid to die.

This is THANE'S WRITER from MASS EFFECT 2.  The person who wrote his ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY.

Modifié par RShara, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:31 .

[AresKeith]

RShara wrote...

It  IS  in the final cut of ME2.  He's correcting the same misconception that you have, that Thane was ashamed of his past deeds, rather than being ashamed because he's afraid to die.

This is THANE'S WRITER from MASS EFFECT 2.  The person who wrote his ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY.

there's really no point in trying to talk to him anymore, he trolls in my threads like this

[RShara]

Yeah I know I broke my own rule. Bad me.  Yes, the scene in-game requires a bit of sense to interpret correctly.  But when the actual writer comes out and tells you what that scene is supposed to mean, and you still don't get it........that is very sad.

Modifié par RShara, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:33 .

[coldwetn0se]

*Pats @RShara, @Squee and @AresKeith on the backs, and offers them coffee and scones.* Every troll hunter needs a coffee break.

[Bluecansam]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

so if your constantly saying were ignoring facts and making assumptions, why are you still here?

Pot calling the kettle black especially when the facts are what Bioware wants to do and the opinions are some people demanding change to conflict with an established character written in someone else's story.  Maybe you should learn something like how you're ignoring the facts and making assumptions.

how about instead of using phrases and talking in circles like you always do, you actually answer the question

Yeah, he hasn't ever given me straight answer. Which is sad, because I actually am kinda curious what he really thinks about those things.

[Bluecansam]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Assmptions are just assumptions since Kepral Syndrome hasn't changed just like its real life comparison of Cystic Fibrosis.  It doesn't matter whether or not you get a lung transplant based on how its a red blood cell disease.  You shouldn't forget that surgery in general would cause more harm then good like organ rejection, drugs to prevent rejection can damage your body, basic blood lose that would also cause oxygen lose, and its a gamble that can lengthen/shorten your lifespan.

Cystic fibrosis isn't a blood disease. It's a genetic protein disorder. And it is treated successfully NOW by lung transplantation, improving the quality of CF sufferers and prolonging their lives. Don't believe me? Don't trust Wikipedia? How about the US National Library of Medicine? http://www.ncbi.nlm....th/PMH0001167/ 
Or maybe the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation? http://www.cff.org/AboutCF/