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Why Saving Thane Would Not "Trivialize" or "Cheapen" His Character - An Essay


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RShara wrote...

It  IS  in the final cut of ME2.  He's correcting the same misconception that you have, that Thane was ashamed of his past deeds, rather than being ashamed because he's afraid to die.

This is THANE'S WRITER from MASS EFFECT 2.  The person who wrote his ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY.

Yet you're still contradicting yourself since you previously showed a row of pictures that contained dialogue of Thane being "afraid" not "ashamed".  Either way Thane is meant to die based on his entrance in ME2 based on character traits and background.

AresKeith wrote...

there's really no point in trying to talk to him anymore, he trolls in my threads like this

Yet you should look up the word "troll" based on how you're insulting people here, which the motive is a difference of opinion for you. 

coldwetn0se wrote...

*Pats @RShara, @Squee and @AresKeith on the backs, and offers them coffee and scones.* Every troll hunter needs a coffee break. :D

Yet they're 'trolls" not "troll hunters" based on how a "troll" insults people and I'm not insulting anyone.  Also they're trying to turn their own opinions into facts even when Bioware controls what fact is in ME. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .


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*snicker*

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Bluecansam wrote...

Yeah, he hasn't ever given me straight answer. Which is sad, because I actually am kinda curious what he really thinks about those things.

Yet I haven't avoided anything at all.

Bluecansam wrote...

Cystic fibrosis isn't a blood disease. It's a genetic protein disorder. And it is treated successfully NOW by lung transplantation, improving the quality of CF sufferers and prolonging their lives. Don't believe me? Don't trust Wikipedia? How about the US National Library of Medicine? http://www.ncbi.nlm....th/PMH0001167/ 
Or maybe the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation? http://www.cff.org/AboutCF/

Cystic Fibrosis like Kepral Syndrome aren't curable just like Cancer, Sickle Cell, and Downs.  Cystic Fibrosis and Kepral Syndrome are both lung diseases that heavily affect red blood cells because they are the reason why oxygen is carried throughout your body.  Protein is also the building blocks of cells which you seem to forget to mention.  Tansplants are affective as you think like organ rejection, drugs that need to be taken for your whole life that can cause health problems, death on the table, and your lifespan can be shortened/lengthened whiile those are just a few examples in real life.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .


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Squeegee83 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote..

Yet you're beating a dead horse especially when writing is still subjective.


I can't believe I had to dig back into the thread for this comment. Excuse me for forgetting it was "horse" instead of "snake".  Besides, aren't you now with your current comment towards me saying I should give up and just accept it? Again, perhaps you should take your own advice.

Yet the statement isn't "there is so much you can beat a dead snake".  Either way I'm not complaining to Bioware to change their story that conficts a specific character and ME's universe, which means my advice doesn't contradict what I say.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .


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Blueprotoss wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote..

Yet you're beating a dead horse especially when writing is still subjective.


I can't believe I had to dig back into the thread for this comment. Excuse me for forgetting it was "horse" instead of "snake".  Besides, aren't you now with your current comment towards me saying I should give up and just accept it? Again, perhaps you should take your own advice.

Yet the statement isn't "there is so much you can beat a dead snake".  Either way I'm not complaining to Bioware to change their story that conficts a specific character and ME's universe, which means my advice doesn't contradict what I say.


To be frank though, if your intention is to change peoples minds, then I can with confidence already tell you that you are wasting your time.

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Emeraldfern wrote...

To be frank though, if your intention is to change peoples minds, then I can with confidence already tell you that you are wasting your time.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, but I love how this topic is trying to convince people to force changes upon others like Bioware.  Either way its useless for a small group of people doing so because video games ike comics, novels, movies, and tv shows aren't designed around individuals just like how everyone has their own likes and dislikes.  You're better off doing two things by either moving on since its Bioware's decision or creating mods to get your 100% personalized feeling in ME.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .


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I love how you ignored my entire post. I spent an hour on that stuff. Watching and rewatching everything to make sure it was correct word for word.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

It  IS  in the final cut of ME2.  He's correcting the same misconception that you have, that Thane was ashamed of his past deeds, rather than being ashamed because he's afraid to die.

This is THANE'S WRITER from MASS EFFECT 2.  The person who wrote his ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY.

Yet you're still contradicting yourself since you previously showed a row of pictures that contained dialogue of Thane being "afraid" not "ashamed".  Either way Thane is meant to die based on his entrance in ME2 based on character traits and background.


You're utterly ignoring the entire post you just quoted. Get off your high horse.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .


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coldwetn0se wrote...

*Pats @RShara, @Squee and @AresKeith on the backs, and offers them coffee and scones.* Every troll hunter needs a coffee break. :D


What about me? I spent an hour watching and reading everything on Thane and the Drell for that post! *pout*

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

I love how you ignored my entire post. I spent an hour on that stuff. Watching and rewatching everything to make sure it was correct word for word.

I didn't ignore anything while I'm just suppyling you with what you missed, which showed you to be in the wrong with your comparison.

LanceSolous13 wrote...

You're utterly ignoring the entire post you just quoted. Get off your high horse.

Again I'm not ignoring anything and its ironic when you're lashing out at Bioware's story with your opinion on a high horse.  Its up to Bioware to change anything in their games and it isn't up to the fans to demand changes.  You're asking them to rewrite a character that will contradict what was established from his introduction in ME2 and conclusion in ME3, which thats a huge and contradicting demand. 

LanceSolous13 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

*Pats @RShara, @Squee and @AresKeith on the backs, and offers them coffee and scones.* Every troll hunter needs a coffee break. :D


What about me? I spent an hour watching and reading everything on Thane and the Drell for that post! *pout*

All you did was waste your free time and insult someone afterwards since that person didn't agree with you. 

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@LanceSolous13 Blueprotoss doesn't read posts! :P... I'm sure coldi won't mind if you have some coffee and scones too... it was an awesome post :)

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Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

It  IS  in the final cut of ME2.  He's correcting the same misconception that you have, that Thane was ashamed of his past deeds, rather than being ashamed because he's afraid to die.

This is THANE'S WRITER from MASS EFFECT 2.  The person who wrote his ENTIRE CHARACTER AND STORY.

Yet you're still contradicting yourself since you previously showed a row of pictures that contained dialogue of Thane being "afraid" not "ashamed".  Either way Thane is meant to die based on his entrance in ME2 based on character traits and background.



I like how he quoted me as contradicting myself, but if he ACTUALLY looked at my posts, they match up perfectly.  And how he's changing the argument (or trying to) to whether Thane says "afraid" instead of "ashamed" or not.

(And ironically- in the actual meaning of ironically-he is now arguing semantics *laughing my head off*)

Oddly, he says both....and it makes sense!

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@Blueprotoss nobodies insulting, just because someone counters your so called "facts" makes it an insult?

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When did insult you in that giant page of a post? Please quote in insult.

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Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote..

Yet you're beating a dead horse especially when writing is still subjective.


I can't believe I had to dig back into the thread for this comment. Excuse me for forgetting it was "horse" instead of "snake".  Besides, aren't you now with your current comment towards me saying I should give up and just accept it? Again, perhaps you should take your own advice.

Yet the statement isn't "there is so much you can beat a dead snake".  Either way I'm not complaining to Bioware to change their story that conficts a specific character and ME's universe, which means my advice doesn't contradict what I say.


To be frank though, if your intention is to change peoples minds, then I can with confidence already tell you that you are wasting your time.


Didn't I say I was writing this into a saying than a direct quote from Blueprotoss? Yes, I believe that is what I wrote. So again... how come he doesn't take his own advice and go away? Oh and btw, I love being called a troll.

Who here, besides Blueprotoss thinks I am troll? Please raise your hand. I mean, you know, after doing several projects and taking on BioWare... Idk.. I just happen to think I might be a bit more than just a troll. *sarcasm* However I can be completely wrong in this, I might just be the ulitmate super troll. I not only raid threads but takes on a company while I am at it. hahaha.

But I am sure that Blueprotoss will arrive to occassion to try to make me look like a fool.

The floor is now open to you, buddy. Knock yourself out.

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Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I haven't avoided anything at all.

So where's the answer to my question, then? You said I didn't know the difference between so-called "deconstructive" feedback and constructive feedback. I asked what the difference is.

Cystic Fibrosis like Kepral Syndrome aren't curable just like Cancer, Sickle Cell, and Downs.  Cystic Fibrosis and Kepral Syndrome are both lung diseases that heavily affect red blood cells because they are the reason why oxygen is carried throughout your body.  Protein is also the building blocks of cells which you seem to forget to mention.  Tansplants are affective as you think like organ rejection, drugs that need to be taken for your whole life that can cause health problems, death on the table, and your lifespan can be shortened/lengthened whiile those are just a few examples in real life.

Not if those proteins govern other things, like mucus production, and not cell make up. But apparently you know SO much more about how Cystic Fibrosis works than the US National Library of Medicine or the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

Also, how is a risk of death with a transplant worse than the certainty of death without a transplant?

Modifié par Bluecansam, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:32 .


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wildannie wrote...

@LanceSolous13 Blueprotoss doesn't read posts! :P... I'm sure coldi won't mind if you have some coffee and scones too... it was an awesome post :)

Clearly you haven't read any of my posts then.

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AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss nobodies insulting, just because someone counters your so called "facts" makes it an insult?

LanceSolous13 wrote...

When did insult you in that giant page of a post? Please quote in insult.

I doubt that you have proof read all of your posts based on those comments.

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Squeegee83 wrote...

Didn't I say I was writing this into a saying than a direct quote from Blueprotoss? Yes, I believe that is what I wrote. So again... how come he doesn't take his own advice and go away? Oh and btw, I love being called a troll.

Who here, besides Blueprotoss thinks I am troll? Please raise your hand. I mean, you know, after doing several projects and taking on BioWare... Idk.. I just happen to think I might be a bit more than just a troll. *sarcasm* However I can be completely wrong in this, I might just be the ulitmate super troll. I not only raid threads but takes on a company while I am at it. hahaha.

But I am sure that Blueprotoss will arrive to occassion to try to make me look like a fool.

The floor is now open to you, buddy. Knock yourself out.
 

Yet you would be labeled as a "troll" based on how you are insulting people and now you took the topic completely off-topic.

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I have read my post. I have reviewed it entirely. I did not come across any such insult to you or anyone else for the matter in my post of evidence. I asked you to quote whatever I said that you claim as insult because I see no such thing in my post.

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Bluecansam wrote...

So where's the answer to my question, then? You said I didn't know the difference between so-called "deconstructive" feedback and constructive feedback. I asked what the difference is.

Yet you know the differences between positive and negative, which means you should know the differences between positive and negative.

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Not if those proteins govern other things, like mucus production, and not cell make up. But apparently you know SO much more about how Cystic Fibrosis works than the US National Library of Medicine or the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

If thats the case then nobody would need to eat protein based on how we as animals eat protein to produce protein.  Either way there's no cure for Cystic Fibrosis just like HIV, Sickle Cell, and Downs.

Bluecansam wrote... 

Also, how is a risk of death with a transplant worse than the certainty of death without a transplant?

Organ rejection, death on the table, heavy reliance on certain drugs since you received a transplant, diseases like Cancer could be activated in your bouy, and an unwilingness to die.  Everyone will die eventually and no one has immortality as a living breathing organism.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

I have read my post. I have reviewed it entirely. I did not come across any such insult to you or anyone else for the matter in my post of evidence. I asked you to quote whatever I said that you claim as insult because I see no such thing in my post.

Then you seem to think that you did no wrong when you actually did the opposite.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I have read my post. I have reviewed it entirely. I did not come across any such insult to you or anyone else for the matter in my post of evidence. I asked you to quote whatever I said that you claim as insult because I see no such thing in my post.

Then you seem to think that you did no wrong when you actually did the opposite.


Which is why I am requesting that you back up your accusation with a quote of where I insulted you so that 1) Your statement holds water and 2) If I did infact insult you, I may appologise for what I said to offend you.

If you cannot honor such a simple request, I would politely advise not making such accusations you are unwilling to back up.

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*dies of laughter*

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Which is why I am requesting that you back up your accusation with a quote of where I insulted you so that 1) Your statement holds water and 2) If I did infact insult you, I may appologise for what I said to offend you.

If you cannot honor such a simple request, I would politely advise not making such accusations you are unwilling to back up.

Again you seem to think that you did no wrong when you actually did the opposite.  I'm not unwilling to do anything, but I see you're unwilling to notice what you have done.