Blueprotoss wrote...
Again you seem to think that you did no wrong when you actually did the opposite. I'm not unwilling to do anything, but I see you're unwilling to notice what you have done.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Which is why I am requesting that you back up your accusation with a quote of where I insulted you so that 1) Your statement holds water and 2) If I did infact insult you, I may appologise for what I said to offend you.
If you cannot honor such a simple request, I would politely advise not making such accusations you are unwilling to back up.
Yet this still about semantics based on how you weren't correct especially when we're talking about quotes. Either way Thane has accepted his death and you act as if nobody has a moment of weakness even you agreed with someone else on this topic with that.RShara wrote..
I like how he quoted me as contradicting myself, but if he ACTUALLY looked at my posts, they match up perfectly. And how he's changing the argument (or trying to) to whether Thane says "afraid" instead of "ashamed" or not.
(And ironically- in the actual meaning of ironically-he is now arguing semantics *laughing my head off*)
Oddly, he says both....and it makes sense.
Here's a good example of an insult and its a poor attempt. Btw you should practice what you preach since you only use opinions here.AresKeith wrote...
aka he's making accuastions because some countered his so called facts
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Blueprotoss wrote...
Again you seem to think that you did no wrong when you actually did the opposite. I'm not unwilling to do anything, but I see you're unwilling to notice what you have done.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Which is why I am requesting that you back up your accusation with a quote of where I insulted you so that 1) Your statement holds water and 2) If I did infact insult you, I may appologise for what I said to offend you.
If you cannot honor such a simple request, I would politely advise not making such accusations you are unwilling to back up.
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Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I haven't avoided anything at all.Bluecansam wrote...
Yeah, he hasn't ever given me straight answer. Which is sad, because I actually am kinda curious what he really thinks about those things.Cystic Fibrosis like Kepral Syndrome aren't curable just like Cancer, Sickle Cell, and Downs. Cystic Fibrosis and Kepral Syndrome are both lung diseases that heavily affect red blood cells because they are the reason why oxygen is carried throughout your body. Protein is also the building blocks of cells which you seem to forget to mention. Tansplants are affective as you think like organ rejection, drugs that need to be taken for your whole life that can cause health problems, death on the table, and your lifespan can be shortened/lengthened whiile those are just a few examples in real life.Bluecansam wrote...
Cystic fibrosis isn't a blood disease. It's a genetic protein disorder. And it is treated successfully NOW by lung transplantation, improving the quality of CF sufferers and prolonging their lives. Don't believe me? Don't trust Wikipedia? How about the US National Library of Medicine? http://www.ncbi.nlm....th/PMH0001167/
Or maybe the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation? http://www.cff.org/AboutCF/
spamhead80 wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I haven't avoided anything at all.Bluecansam wrote...
Yeah, he hasn't ever given me straight answer. Which is sad, because I actually am kinda curious what he really thinks about those things.Cystic Fibrosis like Kepral Syndrome aren't curable just like Cancer, Sickle Cell, and Downs. Cystic Fibrosis and Kepral Syndrome are both lung diseases that heavily affect red blood cells because they are the reason why oxygen is carried throughout your body. Protein is also the building blocks of cells which you seem to forget to mention. Tansplants are affective as you think like organ rejection, drugs that need to be taken for your whole life that can cause health problems, death on the table, and your lifespan can be shortened/lengthened whiile those are just a few examples in real life.Bluecansam wrote...
Cystic fibrosis isn't a blood disease. It's a genetic protein disorder. And it is treated successfully NOW by lung transplantation, improving the quality of CF sufferers and prolonging their lives. Don't believe me? Don't trust Wikipedia? How about the US National Library of Medicine? http://www.ncbi.nlm....th/PMH0001167/
Or maybe the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation? http://www.cff.org/AboutCF/
You are arguing the semantics of current medicine here, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of our medical technology in the Mass Effect world. Furthermore, you are contradicting your previous statements in an attempt to confuzzle the situation and manipulate the cold hard facts that the infallible staff at Bioware have provided in established game lore. Nice try, but I believe that the ball is in our court now, and you'll have to take your racket and go home.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but according to you, constructive feedback is anything positive or agreeable ("BioWare can do no wrong and poops unicorns!"), whereas this so-called "deconstructive feedback" is anything that is negative or disagreeable (anything from "BioWare sucks!" to "Hey, BioWare, I don't think you did a good job with ME3 and here's why..."), no matter the form or content. Is that right?Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you know the differences between positive and negative, which means you should know the differences between positive and negative.
That's really not how biology works... There's not just "Protein! Made of Protein-y stuff!", but different kinds of proteins that do different things.If thats the case then nobody would need to eat protein based on how we as animals eat protein to produce protein. Either way there's no cure for Cystic Fibrosis just like HIV, Sickle Cell, and Downs.
So don't get life-saving transplants if YOU get sick and are given the choice. Meanwhile, many other people are willing to take a risk and stave off certain death. Just because you think living with the possibility of those things is worse than dying doesn't mean that everybody thinks that way. The point is that the option was there for Thane. Its existence made it possible for him to survive. Yes, maybe with a reliance on drugs, but that choice should have been available.Organ rejection, death on the table, heavy reliance on certain drugs since you received a transplant, diseases like Cancer could be activated in your bouy, and an unwilingness to die. Everyone will die eventually and no one has immortality as a living breathing organism.
spamhead80 wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I haven't avoided anything at all.Bluecansam wrote...
Yeah, he hasn't ever given me straight answer. Which is sad, because I actually am kinda curious what he really thinks about those things.Cystic Fibrosis like Kepral Syndrome aren't curable just like Cancer, Sickle Cell, and Downs. Cystic Fibrosis and Kepral Syndrome are both lung diseases that heavily affect red blood cells because they are the reason why oxygen is carried throughout your body. Protein is also the building blocks of cells which you seem to forget to mention. Tansplants are affective as you think like organ rejection, drugs that need to be taken for your whole life that can cause health problems, death on the table, and your lifespan can be shortened/lengthened whiile those are just a few examples in real life.Bluecansam wrote...
Cystic fibrosis isn't a blood disease. It's a genetic protein disorder. And it is treated successfully NOW by lung transplantation, improving the quality of CF sufferers and prolonging their lives. Don't believe me? Don't trust Wikipedia? How about the US National Library of Medicine? http://www.ncbi.nlm....th/PMH0001167/
Or maybe the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation? http://www.cff.org/AboutCF/
You are arguing the semantics of current medicine here, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of our medical technology in the Mass Effect world. Furthermore, you are contradicting your previous statements in an attempt to confuzzle the situation and manipulate the cold hard facts that the infallible staff at Bioware have provided in established game lore. Nice try, but I believe that the ball is in our court now, and you'll have to take your racket and go home.
I love the irony here based on how the real semantics here is that a small group of people are demanding a change in a video game's story that they don't own or have the creative rights to do something. I'm surprised there are people ot there acting like this and I would be ashamed to see people acting like this whether its a novel, comic, movie, tv show, or video game. Bioware already has the ball in their court and won the game before your reactions since ME is their Intellectual Property aka IP. The facts are that you lost and expecting a "win" with this level of pettiness is lose whether its opinion and/or fact.spamhead80 wrote...
You are arguing the semantics of current medicine here, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of our medical technology in the Mass Effect world. Furthermore, you are contradicting your previous statements in an attempt to confuzzle the situation and manipulate the cold hard facts that the infallible staff at Bioware have provided in established game lore. Nice try, but I believe that the ball is in our court now, and you'll have to take your racket and go home.
Blueprotoss wrote...
I love the irony here based on how the real semantics here is that a small group of people are demanding a change in a video game's story that they don't own or have the creative rights to do something. I'm surprised there are people ot there acting like this and I would be ashamed to see people acting like this whether its a novel, comic, movie, tv show, or video game. Bioware already has the ball in their court and won the game before your reactions since ME is their Intellectual Property aka IP. The facts are that you lost and expecting a "win" with this level of pettiness is lose whether its opinion and/or fact.spamhead80 wrote...
You are arguing the semantics of current medicine here, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of our medical technology in the Mass Effect world. Furthermore, you are contradicting your previous statements in an attempt to confuzzle the situation and manipulate the cold hard facts that the infallible staff at Bioware have provided in established game lore. Nice try, but I believe that the ball is in our court now, and you'll have to take your racket and go home.
Contructive feedback can be negative or positive in a positive or neutral tone while deconstructive feedback is usually negative.Bluecansam wrote...
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but according to you, constructive feedback is anything positive or agreeable ("BioWare can do no wrong and poops unicorns!"), whereas this so-called "deconstructive feedback" is anything that is negative or disagreeable (anything from "BioWare sucks!" to "Hey, BioWare, I don't think you did a good job with ME3 and here's why..."), no matter the form or content. Is that right?
Most of the buidling block proteins in cells require a protein based source like the protein tha comes from the food that we eat.Bluecansam wrote...
That's really not how biology works... There's not just "Protein! Made of Protein-y stuff!", but different kinds of proteins that do different things.
I know that while it seems contradicting to expect a fictional yet similar disease to have a miracle cure.Bluecansam wrote...
Anyway, I never claimed there was a cure for Cystic Fibrosis. But there are a number of treatments that help improve the quality of life and extend the lives of those suffering from CF. Or did you not read those very informative links I provided?
Transplants aren't as reliable as you think since most people on transplant lists normally die before getting their respective surgeries while you already know the other complications that are associated with transplants. Either way a lung transplant is too late for Thane whether its in ME2 or ME3 based on his already dangerous lack of oxygen levels in his blood when you 1st encounter him. Thane literally is a dead man walking with a terminal illness acting as a time bomb. Nobody is immortal and this is why I accept death in the stories that I enjoy.Bluecansam wrote...
So don't get life-saving transplants if YOU get sick and are given the choice. Meanwhile, many other people are willing to take a risk and stave off certain death. Just because you think living with the possibility of those things is worse than dying doesn't mean that everybody thinks that way. The point is that the option was there for Thane. Its existence made it possible for him to survive. Yes, maybe with a reliance on drugs, but that choice should have been available.
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I'm not insulting anyone while I see you're trying to spin anything you can get your hands on to look like a tough guy so you can continue on the crusade to bother Bioware for no reason. Ironically you're being the bully here which I'ms urprised that you haven't demanded changes to Martin Scorsese in one of his movies, Shakespeare in one of his plays, Eminem in one of his songs, or R. A. Salvatore in one of his books. You can ask for things in a unfinished work while you won't get things added in a finished work with demands.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
I love the irony here based on how the real semantics here is that a small group of people are demanding a change in a video game's story that they don't own or have the creative rights to do something. I'm surprised there are people ot there acting like this and I would be ashamed to see people acting like this whether its a novel, comic, movie, tv show, or video game. Bioware already has the ball in their court and won the game before your reactions since ME is their Intellectual Property aka IP. The facts are that you lost and expecting a "win" with this level of pettiness is lose whether its opinion and/or fact.spamhead80 wrote...
You are arguing the semantics of current medicine here, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of our medical technology in the Mass Effect world. Furthermore, you are contradicting your previous statements in an attempt to confuzzle the situation and manipulate the cold hard facts that the infallible staff at Bioware have provided in established game lore. Nice try, but I believe that the ball is in our court now, and you'll have to take your racket and go home.
now look who's insulting people now, calling them petty and refusing to look at people's link while you never showed any. And your acting surprised thats fan are asking for a change in a video game when it has been done before
Blueprotoss wrote...
Contructive feedback can be negative or positive in a positive or neutral tone while deconstructive feedback is usually negative.Bluecansam wrote...
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but according to you, constructive feedback is anything positive or agreeable ("BioWare can do no wrong and poops unicorns!"), whereas this so-called "deconstructive feedback" is anything that is negative or disagreeable (anything from "BioWare sucks!" to "Hey, BioWare, I don't think you did a good job with ME3 and here's why..."), no matter the form or content. Is that right?Most of the buidling block proteins in cells require a protein based source like the protein tha comes from the food that we eat.Bluecansam wrote...
That's really not how biology works... There's not just "Protein! Made of Protein-y stuff!", but different kinds of proteins that do different things.I know that while it seems contradicting to expect a fictional yet similar disease to have a miracle cure.Bluecansam wrote...
Anyway, I never claimed there was a cure for Cystic Fibrosis. But there are a number of treatments that help improve the quality of life and extend the lives of those suffering from CF. Or did you not read those very informative links I provided?Transplants aren't as reliable as you think since most people on transplant lists normally die before getting their respective surgeries while you already know the other complications that are associated with transplants. Either way a lung transplant is too late for Thane whether its in ME2 or ME3 based on his already dangerous lack of oxygen levels in his blood when you 1st encounter him. Thane literally is a dead man walking with a terminal illness acting as a time bomb. Nobody is immortal and this is why I accept death in the stories that I enjoy.Bluecansam wrote...
So don't get life-saving transplants if YOU get sick and are given the choice. Meanwhile, many other people are willing to take a risk and stave off certain death. Just because you think living with the possibility of those things is worse than dying doesn't mean that everybody thinks that way. The point is that the option was there for Thane. Its existence made it possible for him to survive. Yes, maybe with a reliance on drugs, but that choice should have been available.
mnomaha wrote...
The hell....
Hats off to all of you for...IDK...fighting the good fight.
Although I thought we weren't supposed to feed them...Ah well, you are far stronger than I am. I would have mentioned something along the lines of rabid wanker, but that's just me.
. I just hope that troll is sitting at home laughing at all the nonsense they're posting, because if they are really that thick... well, that's just sad.
Guest_Squeegee83_*
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you would be labeled as a "troll" based on how you are insulting people and now you took the topic completely off-topic.
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Squeegee83 wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you would be labeled as a "troll" based on how you are insulting people and now you took the topic completely off-topic.
Who I am insulting? You? You insulted me by calling me a troll... I'm not allow to respond back to your insult?
Anyways, I have something better to say than to sit here and laugh over how I was called a troll. I am reposting this from another thread.
I believe it takes heart to accept a dying man. We have to see beyond the disease to grow any sort of an attachment to him. If Thane was a boring, pointless, jerk of a character... then we wouldn't be here right now. We wouldn’t be inspire to do protests, projects, writing stories, creating art, arguing, debating, etc etc. It’s not so clear cut as “Thane said he was dying, so therefore he should die. Now get over it and move on”. There are many elements/facts to Thane and reasons why we believe its okay/should be able to save him.
Trying to funnel people into one way of thinking will never work. Expecting an entire fan base and every single person in it to believe there should have been only one outcome… is clearly a fail. To assume it’s only the romancers who have a problem with Thane’s death, is naïve. To think that I will change my mind on the subject, it will never happen. We all have our feelings and opinions when it comes to Thane.
I know I surely cannot change your mind.
I don’t need a life lesson about death, I have experience in it. However, it was my experience that made me understand Thane, it’s also my experience that makes me understand why people would want a save option for Thane. It’s also while I understand that you cannot win them all, it doesn’t mean ya can’t try. I mean honestly, if we lay down and just take it, I'd be ashamed of this fan base. Especially when BioWare themselves hinted at a cure. The way I see it, they trolled us...big time.
I didn’t bond with Thane because of his disease. I bonded with Thane because in my opinion, he was pretty darn awesome. I felt Thane’s romance storyline in ME3 was dictating to me how I should think, how I should feel, what I should experience, and what I should believe to be the truth. I’m not a lap dog, I am not going to sit just because you tell me too.
So show me where in my essay I had a negative tone.Blueprotoss wrote...
Contructive feedback can be negative or positive in a positive or neutral tone while deconstructive feedback is usually negative.
And this magically makes CF a blood disease... how?Most of the buidling block proteins in cells require a protein based source like the protein tha comes from the food that we eat.
Show me where I said I expected a miracle cure.I know that while it seems contradicting to expect a fictional yet similar disease to have a miracle cure.
Show me where Thane says, in our first encounter with him, that his blood oxygen levels are too low. Also, the LotSB medical report says he is still a viable transplant candidate. If you accept BioWare's decisions in their game without question, then you must also accept that he would have been healthy enough to receive a lung transplant.Transplants aren't as reliable as you think since most people on transplant lists normally die before getting their respective surgeries while you already know the other complications that are associated with transplants. Either way a lung transplant is too late for Thane whether its in ME2 or ME3 based on his already dangerous lack of oxygen levels in his blood when you 1st encounter him. Thane literally is a dead man walking with a terminal illness acting as a time bomb. Nobody is immortal and this is why I accept death in the stories that I enjoy.
Yet Thane is already in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome when you meet him in ME2. Thane later tells you in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital for the 1st time that he should have been dead months ago. The irony here is that Thane wasn't greavously wounded since you have known him unitl he got stabbed by Kei Lang in ME3 unless if he died in ME2 during the Suicide Mission.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Actually, That is incorrect. First of all, Thane states that he shall be fine for the next 8 to 12 months (first conversation) before he can't do the very laberous atcivities that Shepard requires of him. By that logic, His normal living should be fine for another 6 to 8 months before that would become laberous and he would be in the final stages. He wasn't 'dangerously low' in oxygen levels.
Doctor Chakwas is a good Alliance doctor and she specializes in human biology not xenobiology. Like I said before transplants are a double-edged sword based on you life extensions are estimates while most transplant paitents die before their respective surgeries or they have get another replacement organ based on organ rejection. Comparing Garrus to Thane are two different scenarios as Garrus didn't have a terminal disease, he had blood packs available to him, most of his injuries weren't fatal, and medigel has already been designed around Turians.LanceSolous13 wrote...
Second of all, If Doctor Chakwas can fully reccomend a Lung Transplant as a viable cure, I see no reason to say its 'too late' considering Chakwas gives this recomendation in Mass Effect 2. Also, you're basing the idea of Transplant patients not recieving their operations in time off of modern day statistics, while Mass Effect takes place, what? 180 years into the future? We have madical advancements such as Medi-gel and the ability to clone limbs, and, as touched upon by Garrus in Mass Effect 1, growing additional organs in people's bodies.
I didn't insult you at all while I'm just telling people the correct meaning of the word "troll".Squeegee83 wrote...
Who am I insulting? You? You insulted me by calling me a troll... I'm not allow to respond back to your insult?
I see how quickly you contradict yourself in one paragraph.Squeegee83 wrote...
Anyways, I have something better to say than to sit here and laugh over how I was called a troll. I am reposting this from another thread.
Legion and Mordin aren't jerks either while all 3 of them are sacrafical characters since you meet them in ME2, which you shouldn't be surprised by their deaths in ME3.Squeegee83 wrote...
I believe it takes heart to accept a dying man. We have to see beyond the disease to grow any sort of an attachment to him. If Thane was a boring, pointless, jerk of a character... then we wouldn't be here right now. We wouldn’t be inspire to do protests, projects, writing stories, creating art, arguing, debating, etc etc. It’s not so clear cut as “Thane said he was dying, so therefore he should die. Now get over it and move on”. There are many elements/facts to Thane and reasons why we believe its okay/should be able to save him.
Yet you're funneledSqueegee83 wrote...
Trying to funnel people into one way of thinking will never work. Expecting an entire fan base and every single person in it to believe there should have been only one outcome… is clearly a fail. To assume it’s only the romancers who have a problem with Thane’s death, is naïve. To think that I will change my mind on the subject, it will never happen. We all have our feelings and opinions when it comes to Thane.
Yet I'm just informing you while I couldcareless if it changes your opinion.Squeegee83 wrote...
I know I surely cannot change your mind.
You don't need a life lesson while you as if Bioware is the only Developer that deals with death ridden or dead man walking characters in a video game.Squeegee83 wrote...
I don’t need a life lesson about death, I have experience in it. However, it was my experience that made me understand Thane, it’s also my experience that makes me understand why people would want a save option for Thane. It’s also while I understand that you cannot win them all, it doesn’t mean ya can’t try. I mean honestly, if we lay down and just take it, I'd be ashamed of this fan base. Especially when BioWare themselves hinted at a cure. The way I see it, they trolled us...big time.
I bonded with Thane as a close friend with my FemShep while I did that with all of my sqaudmates other then Jacob.Squeegee83 wrote...
I didn’t bond with Thane because of his disease. I bonded with Thane because in my opinion, he was pretty darn awesome. I felt Thane’s romance storyline in ME3 was dictating to me how I should think, how I should feel, what I should experience, and what I should believe to be the truth. I’m not a lap dog, I am not going to sit just because you tell me too.
Pot calling the kettle black based on how I'm actually debating, staying on topic, and not insulting people. You should take a look at yourself before you cast the 1st stone while you aren't free of sin anyways.Renmiri1 wrote...
Blueprotoss is 14 years old I think. Hence the 14 year old logic he's been using. I suggest ignoring him. Otherwise it gets painful like shooting fish in a barrel. Not sporting at all.
Most of the essay is free of a negative tone while there is a good amount of bias just like most essays. Your essay doesn't have that much negativity but some of your comments have some of that missing negativity.Bluecansam wrote...
So show me where in my essay I had a negative tone.
When you're talking about the lungs then yes CF is a blood disease. Ironically Leukemia is a blood disease even when its a Cancer.Bluecansam wrote...
And this magically makes CF a blood disease... how?
Exspecting a cure for Thane would be a miracle based on him being in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome, organ rejection, oxyegen levels in his blood, and his lose of blood from Kei Lang's wound.Bluecansam wrote...
Show me where I said I expected a miracle cure.
Talk to him on the Normandy after you encounter him then he'll start talking about Keptal's Syndrome and his background. All we know that transplant was successful because those lungs could have rejected his body or anything else could of have happened. I don't make assumptions and I accept thats told to me whether its directly or indirectly just like in any other video game, novel, comic, movie, or tv show.Bluecansam wrote...
Show me where Thane says, in our first encounter with him, that his blood oxygen levels are too low. Also, the LotSB medical report says he is still a viable transplant candidate. If you accept BioWare's decisions in their game without question, then you must also accept that he would have been healthy enough to receive a lung transplant.
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