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[RShara]

One of these days, you should try to actually explain your entire stance, rather than quoting and then (trying to) refuting in one or two nonsensical sentences.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

One of these days, you should try to actually explain your entire stance, rather than quoting and then (trying to) refuting in one or two nonsensical sentences.

I already have multiple times while avoiding what Bioware wants and other ME fans want won't help you.  Opinion is still opinion and everything outside Bioware is opinion when its about their Intellectual Property aka IP.  We can have our differing views while its up to Bioware not us.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 05:17 .

[RShara]

No, you really haven't.

And we've proved our points multiple times with documented in-game or Bioware writers' statements, whereas you've only stated your speculations and opinions and have as yet to show any evidence of your claims.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

No, you really haven't.

And we've proved our points multiple times with documented in-game or Bioware writers' statements, whereas you've only stated your speculations and opinions and have as yet to show any evidence of your claims.

You should practice what you preach based on how opinion is outside of Bioware and fact is in Bioware when we're dealing with ME as a whole.  When you're in Bioware then you might be able to turn your opinions into facts when you're in a high and powerful position.  Either way all of us are fans or "fans" while we're only the players in games not the creator.

[RShara]

I do practice what I preach in that I've given in game and writer's evidence for my statements, which you never have.

At this moment, we're not even debating WHETHER the game should be changed or not. We're debating what Thane's attitude was.

We've proven, with in-game and Bioware statements, what Thane's attitude was at the end of ME2. You have disagreed with this while showing no evidence whatsoever.

Show evidence or bow out, please.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

I do practice what I preach in that I've given in game and writer's evidence for my statements, which you never have.

If thats true then you wouldn't resort to insults when a difference of opinion occurs.

RShara wrote... 

At this moment, we're not even debating WHETHER the game should be changed or not. We're debating what Thane's attitude was.

Ironically I'm debating about Bioware's view while you're arguing opinions.

RShara wrote...  

We've proven, with in-game and Bioware statements, what Thane's attitude was at the end of ME2. You have disagreed with this while showing no evidence whatsoever.

If you did prove me wrong then Thane wouldn't have died in ME3.

RShara wrote...   

Show evidence or bow out, please.

Yet you still aren't practicing what you preach.

[RShara]

Okay, you're obviously not interested in actually providing proof or anything, so once again, I'm done.

Squee OWW I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GOT SHOT I'M GLAD YOU'RE OKAY

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not insulting anyone while I see you're trying to spin anything you can get your hands on to look like a tough guy so you can continue on the crusade to bother Bioware for no reason.  Ironically you're being the bully here which I'ms urprised  that you haven't demanded changes to Martin Scorsese in one of his movies,  Shakespeare in one of his plays, Eminem in one of his songs, or R. A. Salvatore in one of his books.  You can ask for things in a unfinished work while you won't get things added in a finished work with demands.

if that helps you sleep at night, because if I would be calm and well-spoken if I ever talked to Bioware about ME3 like most people here. In your little messed up world anyone who doesn't like the way ME3 was handled and rushed and talks about it are bullies to Bioware, that makes you much worse in the real world

[RShara]

I just sent a long PM to a couple mods. We'll see what happens.

[Roxy]

@ Squeegee OmG who got shot you or your cousins? Either way I hope ya'll are doing alright and will make a good recovery!♥♥♥

[Blueprotoss]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Okay, here's the thing. I am having a hard time trying to take any of this seriously. I always welcome legit debates... but this is currently going right over my head. So I welcome you, to take the time and debate me properly. However, you will have to prove that you are more than just a troll, which many just feel that you are now. You don't have to respond back to me today, take a few days.... write back with your most honest thoughts.

If you're looking for a debate then you won't use insults especially when you're misusing the word "troll".  Either way your best bet is to restrain the dogs based on them lashing out with anything that doesn't agree with them.

Squeegee83 wrote... 

Just keep in mind that I am someone who married a terminally ill man and had to reburied him in Dubai recently. I also came back from Dubai to Colorado to visit my sick cousins, to end up shot in the arm by some ass who thinks he is the Joker.

I don't know if its appropiate to comment on what happened while I perfer not to get
sympathy on what happens to me or family members.  I will say that "the Joker" didn't borrow that title from the Dark Knight Rises just like how the NYC Mosque wasn't about 9/11, which both are blow out of proportion by the media.  This is something I feel comfortable with since I have been shoot while I'll that there.

Squeegee83 wrote... 

I might be a tough debate, but I am interested of why some people (like yourself) thinks death is more glamorous/necessary than life.

Everyone has seen death and I'm used to death by now based on my family members passing on not discrimating their age or health.  I'm also used to it on a personal level from enough serious hospital visits from my childhood asthma days, which still makes me hate the feeling in hospitals.  I can tell you in detail of many occrances like one of grandfathers dieing from a throat Cancer in Kindergarten, one of my aunts dieing in her sleep after a visit from a couple days ago in 2nd grade, an aunt that I barely knew died 3-4 months after my 1st memorable meeting from 7 years ago, and one of my closest cousins died in a week from Lymphoma without a history of Cancer from 5 years.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

Okay, you're obviously not interested in actually providing proof or anything, so once again, I'm done.

Its my fault that the facts in ME are provided by Bioware while opinions are provided from the different types of ME fans. 

RShara wrote...

I just sent a long PM to a couple mods. We'll see what happens.

If thats the case then you'll most likely cause more problems based on your own actions and every user that lashes out like you on this topic.  I'm followng the rules while you are breaking them.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 07:37 .

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not insulting anyone while I see you're trying to spin anything you can get your hands on to look like a tough guy so you can continue on the crusade to bother Bioware for no reason.  Ironically you're being the bully here which I'ms urprised  that you haven't demanded changes to Martin Scorsese in one of his movies,  Shakespeare in one of his plays, Eminem in one of his songs, or R. A. Salvatore in one of his books.  You can ask for things in a unfinished work while you won't get things added in a finished work with demands.

if that helps you sleep at night, because if I would be calm and well-spoken if I ever talked to Bioware about ME3 like most people here. In your little messed up world anyone who doesn't like the way ME3 was handled and rushed and talks about it are bullies to Bioware, that makes you much worse in the real world

Most of the people on BSN haven't talked to Bioware based on the pettiness and immaturity that some people have done while you attract more bees with honey as the old saying goes.  Ironically ME3 wasn't rushed at all based it on how it was developed and produced alongside ME2 and had a 2 year advantage over ME2 based on ME2's release from 2 years ago.  Game quality isn't measured by time especially when games like Too Human, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Alpha Protocol, and Duke Nukem: Forever would have broken records even when they're good or average games.  Game quality is also subjective just like writing and film quality.  Some people would have been upset no matter what happened based on their own expectations and that ME3 was the last game in the Commander Shepard arc.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 07:40 .

[RShara]

90% of the people you interact with end up calling you a troll. Is it you or is it the 90%? Something to think about.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

90% of the people you interact with end up calling you a troll. Is it you or is it the 90%? Something to think about.

Thats a lie while you're still abusing the word "troll" and its ironic when you're insulting people for no reason other then a difference of opinion and you're also railroading the topic for personal reasons.  You shouldn't cast the 1st stone unless if you're free of sin, which is one of the many reasons why I don't insult people.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 07:44 .

[RShara]

Well I feel pretty insulted by you.  And I'm sure everyone else in this thread feels frustrated and insulted by you.  And I've seen you in other threads with people stating the same sentiments.

And I'm apparently being called a liar and a hypocrite, so I think that's pretty insulting.  You generally start out in a thread saying stuff like "pot calling kettle" which is an euphemism for hypocrisy, and you also say that the facts people state are blatantly false, which is calling that person a liar.

Modifié par RShara, 01 août 2012 - 08:28 .

[Renmiri1]

RShara wrote...

Okay, you're obviously not interested in actually providing proof or anything, so once again, I'm done.

Squee OWW I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GOT SHOT I'M GLAD YOU'RE OKAY

OMG Squeegee. Man this year is being tough on you! Hugs and positive thoughts your way 

[Renmiri1]

Rshara just ignore the troll. His posts keep this thread in the front page so if he wants to keep posting his drivel, let him. Anyone who knows the English language, let alone the ME Universe can see he knows nothing about what he is talking. Let him type his fingers to the bone keeping our thread in the front page. Is not like his arguments will convince anyone. He can't convince even himself, which is why he has to come here over and over to repeat his half baked opinions. Repetition is the last stand for fools and liars 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 août 2012 - 08:34 .

[RShara]

It's more amusing to occasionally respond so that the mods can see what we're dealing with.

[AresKeith]

you should've seen him on Youtube

[WhiteKnyght]

Okay, I'll take a stab at this.

Read the shadow broker files for Thane. Dr Chakwas told him he was an excellent candidate for a lung transplant. And in that time and age, they can clone new organs from basic DNA. Meaning Thane could have cured his illness if he wanted. He chose not to!

Why would he do that? Perhaps his religion is against it(Most Drell these days either embrace the Hanar or Asari philosophies, not the old ways, so Thane could be considered as conservative in his beliefs), or perhaps he knew the longer he lived, the more he and his son would be subject to the difficulties of the life he has lead(being an assassin was something he never had a choice in. He was trained when he was too young to know better, and by the time he did, it was the only thing he could do. He made enemies and his wife already paid for it. It could happen again.)

Either way, Thane was a willing participant in his demise. Being mad about his death is pointless because we all knew it was coming and it couldn't be stopped.

[Emeraldfern]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Okay, I'll take a stab at this.

Read the shadow broker files for Thane. Dr Chakwas told him he was an excellent candidate for a lung transplant. And in that time and age, they can clone new organs from basic DNA. Meaning Thane could have cured his illness if he wanted. He chose not to!

Why would he do that? Perhaps his religion is against it(Most Drell these days either embrace the Hanar or Asari philosophies, not the old ways, so Thane could be considered as conservative in his beliefs), or perhaps he knew the longer he lived, the more he and his son would be subject to the difficulties of the life he has lead(being an assassin was something he never had a choice in. He was trained when he was too young to know better, and by the time he did, it was the only thing he could do. He made enemies and his wife already paid for it. It could happen again.)

Either way, Thane was a willing participant in his demise. Being mad about his death is pointless because we all knew it was coming and it couldn't be stopped.

Thing is, at the time that Thane said no to the lung-transplant neither his Loyalty mission or romance for that matter, had happened. He didn't know when he refused the transplant that he would reconcile with his son or perhaps find a new Siha. That's why it is a loose end, one cannot even ask him about it in ME3.

[LanceSolous13]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Okay, I'll take a stab at this.

Read the shadow broker files for Thane. Dr Chakwas told him he was an excellent candidate for a lung transplant. And in that time and age, they can clone new organs from basic DNA. Meaning Thane could have cured his illness if he wanted. He chose not to!

Why would he do that? Perhaps his religion is against it(Most Drell these days either embrace the Hanar or Asari philosophies, not the old ways, so Thane could be considered as conservative in his beliefs), or perhaps he knew the longer he lived, the more he and his son would be subject to the difficulties of the life he has lead(being an assassin was something he never had a choice in. He was trained when he was too young to know better, and by the time he did, it was the only thing he could do. He made enemies and his wife already paid for it. It could happen again.)

Either way, Thane was a willing participant in his demise. Being mad about his death is pointless because we all knew it was coming and it couldn't be stopped.

Actually, Dr. Chakwas recomendation for a lung transplant comes from when Thane first arrives. At that time, He has no relationship with his son and he considers that his 'sin'; Abandoning Kolyat in his battlesleep. Following his Loyalty Mission, Thane is a more happy person and he later states he hosts shame for being afraid of his coming death. It is absurd to think he wouldn't take the treatment that was handed to him earlier.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Actually, That is incorrect. First of all, Thane states that he shall be fine for the next 8 to 12 months (first conversation) before he can't do the very laberous atcivities that Shepard requires of him. By that logic, His normal living should be fine for another 6 to 8 months before that would become laberous and he would be in the final stages. He wasn't 'dangerously low' in oxygen levels.

Yet Thane is already in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome when you meet him in ME2.  Thane later tells you in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital for the 1st time that he should have been dead months ago.  The irony here is that Thane wasn't greavously wounded since you have known him unitl he got stabbed by Kei Lang in ME3 unless if he died in ME2 during the Suicide Mission.

I've just reviewed the dialogue and Thane never states he is in the final stages of Kepral's Syndrome; just that he has been diagnosed with it. And that's the line that contradicts what was stated earlier of Thane being good for another 8-12 months. I fail to see the connection between Thane's stage in Kepral's Syndrome and how many wounds he's recieved while working under Shepard.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Second of all, If Doctor Chakwas can fully reccomend a Lung Transplant as a viable cure, I see no reason to say its 'too late' considering Chakwas gives this recomendation in Mass Effect 2. Also, you're basing the idea of Transplant patients not recieving their operations in time off of modern day statistics, while Mass Effect takes place, what? 180 years into the future? We have madical advancements such as Medi-gel and the ability to clone limbs, and, as touched upon by Garrus in Mass Effect 1, growing additional organs in people's bodies.

Doctor Chakwas is a good Alliance doctor and she specializes in human biology not xenobiology.  Like I said before transplants are a double-edged sword based on you life extensions are estimates while most transplant paitents die before their respective surgeries or they have get another replacement organ based on organ rejection.  Comparing Garrus to Thane are two different scenarios as Garrus didn't have a terminal disease, he had blood packs available to him, most of his injuries weren't fatal, and medigel has already been designed around Turians.

Its never stated what she specalises in but she is stated to have a history in alien biological studies. It would be absolutely absurd to think she hadn't studied alien biology; what with Wrex, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Mordin, Samara, Thane, Grunt, and Javik all on board the Normandy at one time or another during the course of the series. If she wasn't familear with alien biology in Mass Effect 1, she certainly would be by Mass Effect 2; espicially considering Cerberus hired her with the intention of putting multiple species under her care.

Also, I didn't compair Garrus to Thane in the slightest. I was saying that Garrus discusses in Mass Effect 1 that organs can be regrown in other people's bodies, as evidenced with Dr. Saleon in Garrus' ME1 'Loyalty Mission'.