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[RShara]

To be fair, in Thane's Medical report, Chakwas says that synthetic lung generation isn't possible for drell at this point, so cloning, etc, isn't an option.

But yeah, Chakwas apparently brought Garrus back from near death after he took a missile to the face (I'm suddenly reminded of Skyrim....I used to be an adventurer until I took a missile to the face?) so I would guess that she can sufficiently deal with a drell.

(See what I did there? I specified what was fact and what was assumption)

And again, risky surgery that may result in death, or no surgery, which will result in death, which would you choose?

Modifié par RShara, 01 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[Emeraldfern]

Maybe my english is rusty, but is cloning regarded as a synthetic lung generation?
The lung itself is organic irregardless if it was cloned or not.
The way I read it was that synthetic lungs were not possible i.e unorganic organ akin to a more evolved version of an Artificial heart.

Then again my reading comprehension in english could have played a prank on me in that case.

[RShara]

If I recall correctly (the screenshot is at home), it said synthetic organ generation wasn't possible. So it's the process of synthetically growing the lungs, rather than them growing naturally in a body. So it would have to be from a donor if at all.

(See, this is called being factual. It would be easier if that line weren't in the report, but it is, so I will honor it)

[LanceSolous13]

I was merely bringing up Dr. Saleon and limb cloning as just evidence of the medical advancements in 2180, nothing more.

Dr. Chakwas' file was a few pages back in a post I made. I'll go find it.

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell.

Therapy and Care: At this time, Mr. Krios should continue getting regular cardiovascular exercise in order to stimulate lung movement and prevent or delay the stiffness that causes lack of oxygen transport. While physical stimulation may also be beneficial in keeping tissues flexible, any injury at this point will dramatically impact Mr. Krios' body and cause rapid degeneration. It is unclear how much longer Thane will be able to serve in direct action. Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem.

The drell eidetic memory is often beneficial in allowing drell to escape unpleasant scenes by losing themselves in happier times. In this case, however, Mr. Krios should try to restrict the time spent reminiscing as prolonged sedentary activity increase the rate of lung degradation.

This suggests that what is best for Mr. Krios currently is to continue to remain active and engage with other team members in order to stay mentally and emotionally stimulated.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 01 août 2012 - 10:14 .

[Emeraldfern]

Again my english may be rusty, but does the line exclusively pertain to cloning?
Or is it referring to purely synthetic lungs?

(Egad my English of derp over here)

[RShara]

Thanks Lance! So basically growing lungs for drell isn't possible, unfortunately. Only a live donor.

Emerald:  No, because it's synthetic lung generation that's impossible.  So synthetic ways of making a lung, like growing one in a vat (or however they do it).  Unless they can grow one in a body lol....

I wonder if Thane would be okay with like, just a left-lung transplant? lol

Modifié par RShara, 01 août 2012 - 10:28 .

[LanceSolous13]

Over all, Its highly unlikely that Dr. Chakwas is not into xenobiology. Honestly, It would be illogical for her to be the sole doctor on the ship if most of the crew would require a doctor with xenobiological backgrounds.

Also, she does end up working at Huerta Memorial which supposedly prides itself in being able to treat anyone of any species in Council Space. Once again, a xenobiological background would be logical.

[Emeraldfern]

Odd that only an allograftic (organ from a dna source different to the recipent) organ transplant would work, as opposed to an autografted organ (an organ cloned from within).

Or that stem-cell cloned organs aren't common. I mean if humans can (and according to Mordin humans are genetically the most complex species) clone organs/synthetically enhance them, tis a bit odd that the drell are unable to do so.

Technically, allograftic organs can be transplanted from cadaveric sources too, I'd imagine even more so in the 2180's considering the use of cryo-stasis.

[krukow]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Over all, Its highly unlikely that Dr. Chakwas is not into xenobiology. Honestly, It would be illogical for her to be the sole doctor on the ship if most of the crew would require a doctor with xenobiological backgrounds.

Also, she does end up working at Huerta Memorial which supposedly prides itself in being able to treat anyone of any species in Council Space. Once again, a xenobiological background would be logical.

ME1: She's the doctor on an alliance ship.  Not planning on having a lot of aliens.
ME2: She's recruited by Cerberus to make their cause sympathetic to Shepard.
ME3: She's at Huerta because beggars can't be choosers.

Not saying she shouldn't know xenobiology, just saying it's possible.

[krukow]

double post, I'm an idiot.

Modifié par krukow, 01 août 2012 - 10:42 .

[LanceSolous13]

krukow wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Over all, Its highly unlikely that Dr. Chakwas is not into xenobiology. Honestly, It would be illogical for her to be the sole doctor on the ship if most of the crew would require a doctor with xenobiological backgrounds.

Also, she does end up working at Huerta Memorial which supposedly prides itself in being able to treat anyone of any species in Council Space. Once again, a xenobiological background would be logical.

ME1: She's the doctor on an alliance ship.  Not planning on having a lot of aliens.
ME2: She's recruited by Cerberus to make their cause sympathetic to Shepard.
ME3: She's at Huerta because beggars can't be choosers.

Not saying she shouldn't know xenobiology, just saying it's possible.

You do have a point that she may not have studies in Xenobiology in ME1 (Though, I think Shepard MIGHT say she is during a conversation with Liara), She definatly should be in Mass Effect 2 where TIM and Cerberus were in full control over who would be on the ship (with exception of Legion) and thus a doctor with Xenobiological background would be required.

I think a codex entry says she has such a background but I'd have to find it.

[Emeraldfern]

Though I'd find it odd considerating ICT students get to know "frontline trauma care for human and alien biology." It would be weird if alliance doctors didn't study xenobiology.

And for that matter, it would be even more odd that Chakwas is the one supervising both Garrus (when he took a rocket to the face) and Thane, when Mordin is around if she doesn't know much about xenobiology.

[RShara]

Yeah it's possible that she doesn't, but it doesn't seem too likely, since as I mentioned, she had to be the one that treated Garrus when he was hit in the face...with a missile! (lol)

I would speculate that she specialized in human medicine, but that she's got strong xenobio skills too.

Maybe it's just that drell organs are hard to grow because there's not as much info/experience with them?
Or maybe she meant impossible for *her* to grow? idk...that's a bit too out there for my speculations though.

I think Thane turned down a transplant, because at the time that he was first on the ship, he really didn't care if he lived or died. Actually, he was kind of passively looking for death. So there's no way he'd be interested in extending his life.

Afterward, of course, it's daft that Shepard never asks him to take a transplant once he wants to live again.

[krukow]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

krukow wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Over all, Its highly unlikely that Dr. Chakwas is not into xenobiology. Honestly, It would be illogical for her to be the sole doctor on the ship if most of the crew would require a doctor with xenobiological backgrounds.

Also, she does end up working at Huerta Memorial which supposedly prides itself in being able to treat anyone of any species in Council Space. Once again, a xenobiological background would be logical.

ME1: She's the doctor on an alliance ship.  Not planning on having a lot of aliens.
ME2: She's recruited by Cerberus to make their cause sympathetic to Shepard.
ME3: She's at Huerta because beggars can't be choosers.

Not saying she shouldn't know xenobiology, just saying it's possible.

You do have a point that she may not have studies in Xenobiology in ME1 (Though, I think Shepard MIGHT say she is during a conversation with Liara), She definatly should be in Mass Effect 2 where TIM and Cerberus were in full control over who would be on the ship (with exception of Legion) and thus a doctor with Xenobiological background would be required.

I think a codex entry says she has such a background but I'd have to find it.

Well, but she wasn't recruited by TIM for her skills, but because she was a familiar face that would get Shepard on their side (along with Joker and some others).  I mean, yeah, she should learn xenobiology, and she may have, I just don't think it's required by the plot that she has.

[Emeraldfern]

Except she has knowledge on asari in ME1:

Liara: "Dr Chakwas assures me I'm going to be fine. I was impressed by her knowledge of Asari physiology."

[krukow]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Except she has knowledge on asari in ME1:

Liara: "Dr Chakwas assures me I'm going to be fine. I was impressed by her knowledge of Asari physiology."

That's a good point, but it doesn't mean she knows about each species.  She may know a ton about Asari/human/Turian, but nothing about Drell/Hanar/Quarian.  Or whatever various combos.  Each species is different, so I don't think you could just lump them all together.

[LanceSolous13]

krukow wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

krukow wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Over all, Its highly unlikely that Dr. Chakwas is not into xenobiology. Honestly, It would be illogical for her to be the sole doctor on the ship if most of the crew would require a doctor with xenobiological backgrounds.

Also, she does end up working at Huerta Memorial which supposedly prides itself in being able to treat anyone of any species in Council Space. Once again, a xenobiological background would be logical.

ME1: She's the doctor on an alliance ship.  Not planning on having a lot of aliens.
ME2: She's recruited by Cerberus to make their cause sympathetic to Shepard.
ME3: She's at Huerta because beggars can't be choosers.

Not saying she shouldn't know xenobiology, just saying it's possible.

You do have a point that she may not have studies in Xenobiology in ME1 (Though, I think Shepard MIGHT say she is during a conversation with Liara), She definatly should be in Mass Effect 2 where TIM and Cerberus were in full control over who would be on the ship (with exception of Legion) and thus a doctor with Xenobiological background would be required.

I think a codex entry says she has such a background but I'd have to find it.

Well, but she wasn't recruited by TIM for her skills, but because she was a familiar face that would get Shepard on their side (along with Joker and some others).  I mean, yeah, she should learn xenobiology, and she may have, I just don't think it's required by the plot that she has.

Don't forget though that TIM has payed extensivly for the entire crew to be there. If someone gets ill, its a significant risk for the doctor to have no idea on how to treat them. Let's say Samara's skills some how come in handy. But, then, she gets violently ill for whatever reason. If Chakwas doesn't have a xenobiological skill set, Samara could die and the mission could be ruined.

I do see your point but I think the fact that Shepard already knew her was simply a bonus, not a driving factor.

[LanceSolous13]

krukow wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

Except she has knowledge on asari in ME1:

Liara: "Dr Chakwas assures me I'm going to be fine. I was impressed by her knowledge of Asari physiology."

That's a good point, but it doesn't mean she knows about each species.  She may know a ton about Asari/human/Turian, but nothing about Drell/Hanar/Quarian.  Or whatever various combos.  Each species is different, so I don't think you could just lump them all together.

I'm not saying one would lump them all together but its illogical for her to be hired to take care of a crew she lacks the ability to take care of.

[krukow]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Don't forget though that TIM has payed extensivly for the entire crew to be there. If someone gets ill, its a significant risk for the doctor to have no idea on how to treat them. Let's say Samara's skills some how come in handy. But, then, she gets violently ill for whatever reason. If Chakwas doesn't have a xenobiological skill set, Samara could die and the mission could be ruined.

I do see your point but I think the fact that Shepard already knew her was simply a bonus, not a driving factor.

Yeah, I'm not saying she does or doesn't.  I just don't think her position in any of the three games REQUIRES her to have expert knowledge of each species.  She totally could though.

[AresKeith]

she could have studied Drell's biology and physiology since I'm guessing she knew there was gonna be a Drell squadmate in ME2

Modifié par AresKeith, 01 août 2012 - 11:00 .

[Emeraldfern]

If Chakwas has limited knowledge on drell physiology, then it is very weird that Mordin doesn't step in. As he is an expert.

[Edit] In ME2 I mean, *derp* on my part over here...
And...spell phail...

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 01 août 2012 - 11:12 .

[LanceSolous13]

Even then, Chakwas shouldn't be giving a recomendation if she wasn't qulaified to be doing such. It would be on the writer's heads to have her give this hopeful recomandation and then say "Nah. She wasn't qualified. Moving on..."

Since she is giving a medical examination of Thane in the first place, we can assume she has Xenobiological Skills.

[Twilight_Princess]

Emeraldfern wrote...

If Chakwas has limited knowledge on drell physiology, then it is very weird that Mordin doesn't step in. As he is an expert.

He HAS studied species turian , asari and batarian

[LanceSolous13]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

If Chakwas has limited knowledge on drell physiology, then it is very weird that Mordin doesn't step in. As he is an expert.

He HAS studied species turian , asari and batarian

Asari Vorcha offspring have an allergy to dairy!

[Emeraldfern]

♪♫ "I am the very model of a scientist salarian, I've studied species turian, asari and batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
 My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist salarian." ♪♫

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 01 août 2012 - 11:26 .