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[RShara]

Emeraldfern's question stemmed from a confusion in translation. It's not possible to clone lungs for a drell. They have to come from donors. I would guess that this is because of the more-limited knowledge of drell physiology, since they are rare in the galactic arena.

@HanShotFirst: Bad writing is developing a story arc and then completely abandoning it with no explanation. This thread is not really meant to be a discussion on whether Thane should live or not, but how is living would not trivialize his character. And the reasons it would not are listed in the first post.
My personal opinion is that Bioware did a bang up job of trivializing both his life and his death already, so if he has to be trivialized, I'd rather it were done in a scenario where he lived!
But there are sound ways for him to live that wouldn't be a stupid miracle cure. We're not even necessarily saying he should be CURED, but that the options for life extensions and cures should have been explored, instead of ignored.


Thane is not in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome in ME2. There is no sort of statement or inferrence from this. Please provide proof if you disagree.
Being viable for another year is not late-stage. Late stage (cancer for example) means you are stuck in a bed, with tubes coming out of every orifice.

Remember: The oxygen thing came in ME3. There was no mention of it in ME2. In ME2, Kepral's Syndrome was his lungs not processing oxygen correctly due to massive bacterial infection. The result in ME3 doesn't really make sense, but we'll leave that be so that we don't derail this thread.

And again we ask: Which would you choose? The possibility of death with an organ transplant, or the certainty of death without one? When you have a son and a friend/lover waiting for you?

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

Yep. He actually DOES say he wants to die, btw. When you first recruit him, before anything else happens.

No one is disputing that. It's what happens AFTER you bro/romance him that he changes.

I know he gives the impression of wanting to live with a bro-Shep too, but it's more obvious, more clear, and documented that he wants to live with a romanced-Shep, which is why I tend to use that during my main arguments.

You can give Thane a positive look on life while he will still have the acceptance of death that will outweigh his life.  Thane can say that he has regrets but he knew what happens when you're an assassin like seeing the fragility of organics no matter what species you are.  He's pretty much a cursed wandering monk or simple ronin looking for redemption for his past deeds, which ironically some do also die from terminal illnesses.

[HK-90210]

mnomaha wrote...

...what I don't understand is why it actually matters so much to those of you who *do not* want him to live. Why does what I want in my game really matter to anyone else? Why do you care if I have an option that you do not want to take?

I really, truly do not understand this.

Well, to be fair, if there was a way to save Thane, it would probably become the new 'correct' way to play it. Those of us gamers with OCD(admit it, that's a LOT of us) would feel obligated to play it that way, cince it would provide the most effective, 'good' outcome. In the same way most people warn Miranda about Kai Leng to save her. Or do all the loyalty missions. And to make a way for Thane to live in all circustances, IMO, would make his death a little less moving, since its thoroughly avoidable.

The death of Legion hits hard partially because it is unavoidable. Same with Mordin, although he can still be saved in a specific set of circumstances. I think Thane, given his status as a terminally ill man, should have similar restrictions on his death. But not that it should be completely, totally unavoidable. In my romance playthrough with him, his death acutally fits. But this doesn't hold true for eveybody. And to deny the chance at saving him, given all the hints that Bioware put out, leaves a pretty gaping hole where a story could have been.

Personally, I think a cure should be available for romanced playthroughs. In those ones, Thane has made it clear(in ME2) that he wants to live, and that he is not all that at peace with dying when he's leaving behind people he cares for. I admit, I didn't think this way before reading this thread, but I find the arguements you guys present very strong. Making his death avoidable in this case would have no effect on most playthroughs. And would satisfy a lot of the people in this thread. He'll still die in my romanced playthrough with him, but it will also give me reason to do another playthrough as see what it's like if he lives.

So, providing Thane a cure for romanced playthroughs does the following:
Keeps the certainty of death intact for most playthroughs, thus not making his death 'cheap'.
Provides his hardcore fans(ppl in this thread) a way of saving him, and keeping with his character if he was romanced.
Increased reaplayability for those of us who like it both ways.

How is this bad?

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

You make it sound like organ rejection happens with every transplant. Even today, 180 years before the ME universe, most transplants are successful, with the patient making a full recovery and going on to live a normal life. Doctors TODAY are very careful to match donors with compatible transplant recipients, and furthermore give immunosuppressants to ease the transition.

Surprisingly it does happen frequently even by our standards and genetics isn't an easy thing to overcome only with drugs.  Transplants also aren't the cure as well because the organ can still fail and you'll have to wait on the list again.  Another nightmare that can come from transplants is that a different organ fails or your replaced organ didn't fail to begin with.  The human body is a complex system that is still riddled with an infinite amount or unanswered questions and unknown secrets even in Modern Medicine.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

@HanShotFirst: Bad writing is developing a story arc and then completely abandoning it with no explanation. This thread is not really meant to be a discussion on whether Thane should live or not, but how is living would not trivialize his character. And the reasons it would not are listed in the first post.
My personal opinion is that Bioware did a bang up job of trivializing both his life and his death already, so if he has to be trivialized, I'd rather it were done in a scenario where he lived!
But there are sound ways for him to live that wouldn't be a stupid miracle cure. We're not even necessarily saying he should be CURED, but that the options for life extensions and cures should have been explored, instead of ignored.

Writing is subjective by nature just like any other preferences that someone has.  Yet this comment is all opinion based on your attachment to the character and nobody here on this topic has penned him in ME2 or ME3.  Its okay that people can have an opinion while you can't override the writer no matter what you think.

RShara wrote... 

Thane is not in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome in ME2. There is no sort of statement or inferrence from this. Please provide proof if you disagree.
Being viable for another year is not late-stage. Late stage (cancer for example) means you are stuck in a bed, with tubes coming out of every orifice.

Yet you assume that Thane isn't in the late stages in ME2 and that Cancer paitent can be in bed before entering into the late stages.  Different Cancers act differently from each other just like diseases.

RShara wrote...  

Remember: The oxygen thing came in ME3. There was no mention of it in ME2. In ME2, Kepral's Syndrome was his lungs not processing oxygen correctly due to massive bacterial infection. The result in ME3 doesn't really make sense, but we'll leave that be so that we don't derail this thread.

If the lungs are involved then you should expect problems with oxygen levels in your red blood cells based on how the lungs is the only source of bringing in fresh oxygen.  I'm pretty sure most of the races in ME don't breathe in air through their skin pores unlike a plant or insect.

RShara wrote...  

And again we ask: Which would you choose? The possibility of death with an organ transplant, or the certainty of death without one? When you have a son and a friend/lover waiting for you?

Death is a possibiliy no matter what you do because you can die from waiting for an organ, organ rejection, surgery complications, and a long list of other scenarios.  Life is a harsh mistress and its why some people live life to the fulliest they can have a few or no rejects.

[RShara]

1. I stated that it was opinion. Or did the part where I said, "My Personal Opinion" magically disappear?

2. We are not overriding the writer. We proved that the writer agreed with our viewpoint of Thane's attitude in ME2.

3. There is no freaking way that someone in the latest stages of *any* terminal disease can be combat ready. That's just Not Possible. Ask any medical professional. Please. Or the biologists that are part of this discussion.
And if I'm wrong in assuming that Thane ISN'T in the late stages, you're just as wrong in assuming that he IS. There is no proof either way, but logic and reasoning fall on the ISN'T side of the equation.

4. I didn't say oxygen wasn't a problem. I said his disease changed from being an infection of the lungs causing them to not transfer oxygen correctly, to a blood-oxygen problem. These are two very different things. Again, ask any biologist.

5. You don't answer the question. Yes, death is a possibility either way. The question was, given the possibility of extending your life or the certainty of dying sooner, would you choose that or ignore it altogether?

Modifié par RShara, 02 août 2012 - 03:18 .

[AresKeith]

welcome to the world of BlueProtoss

[RShara]

Oh I've been here for a while, unfortunately. I really need to increase my resistance or something

[AresKeith]

but I do like how he throws out saying were the minority, when there is no real number to say who likes or don't like the way ME3 was handled

[mnomaha]

CastonFolarus wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

...what I don't understand is why it actually matters so much to those of you who *do not* want him to live. Why does what I want in my game really matter to anyone else? Why do you care if I have an option that you do not want to take?

I really, truly do not understand this.

Well, to be fair, if there was a way to save Thane, it would probably become the new 'correct' way to play it. Those of us gamers with OCD(admit it, that's a LOT of us) would feel obligated to play it that way, cince it would provide the most effective, 'good' outcome. In the same way most people warn Miranda about Kai Leng to save her. Or do all the loyalty missions. And to make a way for Thane to live in all circustances, IMO, would make his death a little less moving, since its thoroughly avoidable.

The death of Legion hits hard partially because it is unavoidable. Same with Mordin, although he can still be saved in a specific set of circumstances. I think Thane, given his status as a terminally ill man, should have similar restrictions on his death. But not that it should be completely, totally unavoidable. In my romance playthrough with him, his death acutally fits. But this doesn't hold true for eveybody. And to deny the chance at saving him, given all the hints that Bioware put out, leaves a pretty gaping hole where a story could have been.

Personally, I think a cure should be available for romanced playthroughs. In those ones, Thane has made it clear(in ME2) that he wants to live, and that he is not all that at peace with dying when he's leaving behind people he cares for. I admit, I didn't think this way before reading this thread, but I find the arguements you guys present very strong. Making his death avoidable in this case would have no effect on most playthroughs. And would satisfy a lot of the people in this thread. He'll still die in my romanced playthrough with him, but it will also give me reason to do another playthrough as see what it's like if he lives.

So, providing Thane a cure for romanced playthroughs does the following:
Keeps the certainty of death intact for most playthroughs, thus not making his death 'cheap'.
Provides his hardcore fans(ppl in this thread) a way of saving him, and keeping with his character if he was romanced.
Increased reaplayability for those of us who like it both ways.

How is this bad?

I don't think it's bad at all. It doesn't affect the ones who still want him dead. It just affects those of us who romanced him and want him to live.

Thanks for having an open mind. I'm finding it rare on BSN these days.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I've just reviewed the dialogue and Thane never states he is in the final stages of Kepral's Syndrome; just that he has been diagnosed with it. And that's the line that contradicts what was stated earlier of Thane being good for another 8-12 months. I fail to see the connection between Thane's stage in Kepral's Syndrome and how many wounds he's recieved while working under Shepard.

Yet Thane states that he's dieing and the reason why he's killing wrong doers is based on his coming death.  Either way you assume that he isn't in the late stages of Kepral's Syndrome especially when he should have died in ME2 based on his illness.

I never said he wasn't dying. What I am saying is that he never states that he is in the final stages of Kepral's Syndrome. Let's say there are three stages. Thane could be in the first stage of it. He IS dying, but he is not in the final stage of Kepral's Syndrome.

Now, if you can provide a quote from Thane that says otherwise or a vid that says otherwise, I will be happy to retract my argument. If you are unable to, I'd suggest retracting yours.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Its never stated what she specalises in but she is stated to have a history in alien biological studies. It would be absolutely absurd to think she hadn't studied alien biology; what with Wrex, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Mordin, Samara, Thane, Grunt, and Javik all on board the Normandy at one time or another during the course of the series. If she wasn't familear with alien biology in Mass Effect 1, she certainly would be by Mass Effect 2; espicially considering Cerberus hired her with the intention of putting multiple species under her care.

Anyone could study anything xenobiology while that knowledge doesn't make that person into a xenobiologist.  Even if she was a xenobiologist while you assume that she specializes in Drell.

I never said she specialixed in Drell Zenobiology but for her to be hired for the Suicide Mission, She would logically have to have extensive Xenobiological knowledge out of safety for the billion credit crew Mr. Illusive put together. Its logical for her to be at least a Jack-of-all-Trades in xenobiology. Also, considering Kepral's Syndrome seems to be a huge topic of Drell Health, It would be absurd to think that she wouldn't have an understanding of it with a xenobiological background.

LanceSolous13 wrote...  

Also, I didn't compair Garrus to Thane in the slightest. I was saying that Garrus discusses in Mass Effect 1 that organs can be regrown in other people's bodies, as evidenced with Dr. Saleon in Garrus' ME1 'Loyalty Mission'.

You compared Garrus and Thane as both of them suffered injuries even when both of them were healed other then minor problems or Thane's Kepral Syndrome.  Yet his subjects weren't healthy and were slowly dieing based on the increase of organs that causes severe strain on the body, which is one of the reasons why its a taboo or illegal process.

Someone else compared Garrus' scars, not I. That would be related to the Chakwas arguement as she was able to heal a Turian that took a rocket to the fact and everyone was under the impression would die after such an attack.

Anyways, I wasn't saying that Dr. Saleon growing organs in his victims was a healthy thing at all; What I was saying that it was actually possible to be done in the first place. I was merely stating the advancement of what it medically possible in the future.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 02 août 2012 - 10:47 .

[LanceSolous13]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]Bluecansam wrote...

Most of the essay is free of a negative tone while there is a good amount of bias just like most essays.  Your essay doesn't have that much negativity but  some of your comments have some of that missing negativity.[/quote]
If you say so. I feel I've been pretty polite, all things considered.[/quote]You have been polite while everyone has some negitivity that leaks through the cracks.

[quote]Bluecansam wrote... 

Not according to the US National Library of Medicine or the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. You believe what you want to believe, I suppose.[/quote]I have no problem on agreeing to disagree even when doctors debate about topics like this on a daily basis.

[quote]Bluecansam wrote...  

I don't expect a cure. I expect treatment. There's a huge difference between the two. Last thing anyone heard was that those treatments were available and workable. If the treatments mentioned in ME2, LotSB, or in related media are no longer viable, then it should be addressed in-game why those treatments are no longer on the table. Otherwise, it's pure speculation that they wouldn't have done Thane any good.[/quote]Treatment at that point would have to be a cure and if you recieve an organ transplant then it could shorten your life instead of prolonging it.  So far all we know about is a lung transplant was done in a drell through LotSB while we don't know if the paitent later on died or lived and we also don't know if the lung was rejected or not.

[quote]Bluecansam wrote...   

When you talk to him on the Normandy, sure he talks about Kepral's, but he says he'll be able to fight and fight well for almost a year. Yet, 6 months later, he's supposedly "in the final stages"? If that's the case, it should have been addressed why that changed.[/quote]It could have been addressed but Bioware had enough variable hell without the Suicide Mission in ME2 and to be fair we barely know anything on drell other then what Thane tells us.

[quote]Bluecansam wrote...   

If you "don't make assumptions and accept what's told to you", then you must also accept that Thane would have been a viable transplant candidate unless BioWare explicitly says otherwise. Since they did not say otherwise, we can only conclude, based on what BioWare itself told us, that Thane was and continued to be a good candidate for transplantation in ME3.[/quote]Thane being viable for a transplant is an assumption based on how healthy people are constantly turned down for transplants in real life and if you get on the list then you have to follow a strict diet to stay as a transplant recipient.  At this point we do have to accept what Bioware says because they penned the franchise and they have the knowledge that crafted this franchise.

[/quote]

Its bad writing to do otherwise, as what we are upset about. To be dangling a file that says Thane is a perfect Transplant Patient and then say, 'Oh. He didn't get on the list.' is bad writing.

Its called a cop out.

If Bioware writes in this information, We have no reason to dispute the facts given to us. The fact is, There are three known cures to Kepral's Syndrome and none of them are ever touched upon in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

The fact is, Thane's character developed differently in Mass Effect 2 and that development is forgotten in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

The fact is, Thane's Status as LI is made pointless by his death in Mass Effect 3. Cop Out.

[Ghost]

 Quotes everywhere! :happy:

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

1. I stated that it was opinion. Or did the part where I said, "My Personal Opinion" magically disappear?

Never said it wasn't opinion.

RShara wrote... 

2. We are not overriding the writer. We proved that the writer agreed with our viewpoint of Thane's attitude in ME2.

 Actually you are overriding the writer based on Thane's writer allowed Thane to die based on the character itself.

RShara wrote... 

3. There is no freaking way that someone in the latest stages of *any* terminal disease can be combat ready. That's just Not Possible. Ask any medical professional. Please. Or the biologists that are part of this discussion.
And if I'm wrong in assuming that Thane ISN'T in the late stages, you're just as wrong in assuming that he IS. There is no proof either way, but logic and reasoning fall on the ISN'T side of the equation.

Thane wasn't combat ready in ME3 and thats why he died. People can be combat ready under extreme situations including terminally ill paitence based on drugs, healthy lifestyle, and adrenaline.  If Thane wasn't in the late stages then he wouldn't have accepted death in ME2 and ME3.

RShara wrote... 

4. I didn't say oxygen wasn't a problem. I said his disease changed from being an infection of the lungs causing them to not transfer oxygen correctly, to a blood-oxygen problem. These are two very different things. Again, ask any biologist.

Lung replacement isn't the answer especially when his oxygen levels were low in ME2 and extremely low in ME3.  Btw you can't ask that many biologists based on how different animal groups act differently from each other like insects, fish, mammals, amphibians, reptiles, and etc.

RShara wrote... 

5. You don't answer the question. Yes, death is a possibility either way. The question was, given the possibility of extending your life or the certainty of dying sooner, would you choose that or ignore it altogether?

The qestion is you can still die quickly after a transplant even when it doesn't involve transplantation like getting killed by a home invasion or car accident.   Transplants aren't a guaranteed life extender based alone on what your body decides.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

welcome to the world of BlueProtoss

I see that you're not interested in reason, maturity, or facts.

AresKeith wrote...

but I do like how he throws out saying were the minority, when there is no real number to say who likes or don't like the way ME3 was handled

Yet you are in the minority especially when you look at BSN as an example since there's not that many new faces here talking about Thane whether he lives or dies.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I never said he wasn't dying. What I am saying is that he never states that he is in the final stages of Kepral's Syndrome. Let's say there are three stages. Thane could be in the first stage of it. He IS dying, but he is not in the final stage of Kepral's Syndrome.

He doesn't specifically say that he's in the late stage while wearen't told whether he is or isn't in ME2.  Either way he close to the late stages based on his health in ME3.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Now, if you can provide a quote from Thane that says otherwise or a vid that says otherwise, I will be happy to retract my argument. If you are unable to, I'd suggest retracting yours.

Yet we don't know what the st ages in Kepral Syndrome is so you really can't use that video as a basis.  Thats like saying the blue pill is a bad choice based on Neo picking the red pill in the Matrix when we really don't know what both pills do.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

I never said she specialixed in Drell Zenobiology but for her to be hired for the Suicide Mission, She would logically have to have extensive Xenobiological knowledge out of safety for the billion credit crew Mr. Illusive put together. Its logical for her to be at least a Jack-of-all-Trades in xenobiology. Also, considering Kepral's Syndrome seems to be a huge topic of Drell Health, It would be absurd to think that she wouldn't have an understanding of it with a xenobiological background.

She has very little xenobiology knowledge while she was hired by Cerberues based on her work with Shepard and humanity.  A real example of aenobiologist would be Mordin or Cr. Chloe Michel but they even have their limits.

LanceSolous13 wrote...  

Someone else compared Garrus' scars, not I. That would be related to the Chakwas arguement as she was able to heal a Turian that took a rocket to the fact and everyone was under the impression would die after such an attack.

I know while I was mainly commenting on the organ part.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Anyways, I wasn't saying that Dr. Saleon growing organs in his victims was a healthy thing at all; What I was saying that it was actually possible to be done in the first place. I was merely stating the advancement of what it medically possible in the future.

You did say its a possibility while Thane wouldn't be healthy enough for the surgery and not that much are known about the Drell anyways.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 août 2012 - 05:23 .

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Its bad writing to do otherwise, as what we are upset about. To be dangling a file that says Thane is a perfect Transplant Patient and then say, 'Oh. He didn't get on the list.' is bad writing.

Thane isn't a perfect example for a transplant based on his health alone.  The best choice are usually children based on their faster healing and recovery times compared to teenagers and adults.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Its called a cop out.

Saying its a cop out is actually a cop out.  Either way Bioware can do what they want whether we like it or hate it since they did create ME to begin with.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

If Bioware writes in this information, We have no reason to dispute the facts given to us. The fact is, There are three known cures to Kepral's Syndrome and none of them are ever touched upon in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

Bioware never mentioned Thane wasn't going to die or that he was going to get a transplant.  

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

The fact is, Thane's character developed differently in Mass Effect 2 and that development is forgotten in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

The cop out would be making a cure for Kepral Syndrome and forcing Thane to live against his will.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

The fact is, Thane's Status as LI is made pointless by his death in Mass Effect 3. Cop Out.

He's not pointless at all especially when you can still have a relationship in ME3 while its not a romance.  I don't hear people complaining about Kelly, Jack, and Miranda in ME3 if she dies while being in a relationship.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 août 2012 - 05:34 .

[RShara]

New captions!



Taking suggestions on future ones

[coldwetn0se]

Continued support for a well thought out essay from @bluecansam.  If you are ever interested (thought I should ask since this is your thread), I would be more than happy to post my Story DLC outline highlighting the ME2 cast (though it could be played even by those that let most of them die...fun for the whole family...HA!) that does have an option to keep Thane alive, and without altering anything in the base game.   

[coldwetn0se]

RShara wrote...

New captions!



Taking suggestions on future ones

LOL....love it...."Can I get mustard on that?"

[Blueprotoss]

Squeegee83 wrote...

I didn't quite understand your last sentence, "This is something I feel comfortable with since I have been shoot while I'll that there". If you are talking about the same incident in Colorado, then we should just stop debating one another and just talk. It took me awhile to snap out of denial. I won't respond back to the rest of your answers until you get back with me on this one. I am doing this out of respect.

Sorry I messed up there.  I meant to say something along the lines as its something that I'm not comfortable with since I haven't been shot.  To "respond out of respect" to me actually sounds more disrespectful then a miscommunication on both sides since everyone has paid blood throughout their lives whether it ended up in life or death.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 03 août 2012 - 10:14 .

[HK-90210]

mnomaha wrote...

I don't think it's bad at all. It doesn't affect the ones who still want him dead. It just affects those of us who romanced him and want him to live.

Thanks for having an open mind. I'm finding it rare on BSN these days.

No problem. I'm a Jacob fan, though, so it's pretty easy to sympathize with you guys. I mean, I can understand Bioware's treatment of Thane. I don't like it, and I still think it could have been done a hell of a lot better. But I can at least understand. Jacob's....I haven't got a clue what the **** they were thinking. And don't get me started about James Vega. Fact is, Bioware's treatment of FemShep, in the romance department, leaves a lot to be desired when compared Manshep. Granted, I'd be just as pissed if Bioware had Jack/Miranda/etc die or leave Shep without any player input or intervention whatsoever. But the fact that both of these things happen to FemShep gets me just a little pissed off. Offer the fans a chance to decide FemShep's default hair color? Sure! Treat all of her romances with the respect and dignity they deserve? Fahgetaboutit!

Plus, it makes me vindictive towards the Garrus/Kaidan romances, which, in my opinion, are probably the best ones in the game.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Its bad writing to do otherwise, as what we are upset about. To be dangling a file that says Thane is a perfect Transplant Patient and then say, 'Oh. He didn't get on the list.' is bad writing.

Thane isn't a perfect example for a transplant based on his health alone.  The best choice are usually children based on their faster healing and recovery times compared to teenagers and adults.

That's not the point. The point is that he was given a full reccomendation for a Lung Transplant and it was never brought up again. If there is a full reccomendation for a Lung Transplant, Then Thane is perfectly able to get a Lung Transplant. End of story.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Its called a cop out.

Saying its a cop out is actually a cop out.  Either way Bioware can do what they want whether we like it or hate it since they did create ME to begin with.

How is saying its a cop out a cop out? I don't think you understand what a cop out is.

Ahem.

Writer Cop out - When the story builds towards one direction and then suddenly goes in the direction of a less ambitious/less satisfying ending, or is never ended at all.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

If Bioware writes in this information, We have no reason to dispute the facts given to us. The fact is, There are three known cures to Kepral's Syndrome and none of them are ever touched upon in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

Bioware never mentioned Thane wasn't going to die or that he was going to get a transplant. 

When you write in information like this, Its called a Chekhov's Gun, a form of foreshadowing.

Chekhov's Gun - "If you say in the first chapter that there's a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapters it absolutely must go off. If its not going to be fired, It simply shouldn't be hanging there." -Anton Chekhov

The same thing about the Dark Energy subplot. Its never discussed or touched upon ever again even though it was the plot of Tali's Loyalty Mission. It is another unfired Chekhov's Gun, just like Thane's cures.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

The fact is, Thane's character developed differently in Mass Effect 2 and that development is forgotten in Mass Effect 3. Cop out.

The cop out would be making a cure for Kepral Syndrome and forcing Thane to live against his will.

BUT HE WANTED TO LIVE GOD DAMN IT! I've quoted this back on Page 20. I suggest you read it again. Thane in Mass Effect 2 wanted to live while that character development was utterly ignored in ME3.

Also, There is a difference between wanting to die and accepting of death.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

The fact is, Thane's Status as LI is made pointless by his death in Mass Effect 3. Cop Out.

He's not pointless at all especially when you can still have a relationship in ME3 while its not a romance.  I don't hear people complaining about Kelly, Jack, and Miranda in ME3 if she dies while being in a relationship.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T DIE EVERY GODDAMN PLAYTHROUGH.

You can save Miranda.
You can save Kelly.
You can save Jack.

You can't save Thane no matter what happens.

I remember there being complaints about Jack being absent for the entire game till she became a Phantom at Cronos Station. There was an uproar about that till someone informed them that you had to do Random Side Mission #2784 do save her.

There was also an uproar about Kelly and Miranda, but those had the same resolutions as Jack; someone figured out you had to do X, Y, or Z to save them.

Thane doesn't have that and thus, here we are upset about that.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 03 août 2012 - 11:01 .

[RShara]

Um Lance are you arguing with yourself...?