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[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Anyways, that didn't answer my question. Please point out something else in the Shadow Broker's files that is also false, incorrect, or otherwise wrong.

If you were a part of any of the ME writing teams then you might have some ground to stand on based on how there's little known information on the Drell to begin with.

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Second of all, What writer are you talking about? L'eltere (ME2) though, I think I spelled his name wrong? or Hepler (ME3)?

[Renmiri1]

L'etoile

Chris Hepler is atrocious. He wrote EDI and Thane in ME3 and ruined both IMHO

And ya, not buying Leviathan. No Thane, no game Bioware -.-

@BlueProtoss - you should try DA2 is a great game. It will come  as no surprise to you that I romanced the cursed mage destined to die, what can I say, I'm a sucker for the underdog 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 07 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[JECW]

Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

@Crysis44, thank you for the support. It gets wearying sometimes, trying to educate those that won't listen, so it's so nice to hear it when someone understands!

If you say this for one side then you have to say this about both sides while I see more avoidance against Thane's death/cure then supporting.

So you want us to say thank you for not supporting us. Why would we do that?

If you honestly think their is more support for his death than to cure him than you need to look around more because there is quite a bit of support for our side.

[Nube9]

 Hmmm, people making it seem that writers (and creative staff in general) can write a story as they please dismissing basic industry factors such as budget, keeping your publishers happy, and meeting deadlines. 

To Blueprotoss and those that think along the same lines:
I'm going to bullet point these out  to make it easier for you to read.
*Thane's original writer left Bioware before ME3
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*It was then assigned to Chris Helper
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*In a tweet regarding romanced Thane's out of character responses, a BIOWARE WRITER literally replied that "THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON THANE....FORGOT HE WAS AN LI"
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*There are six romance options for Male Shep, while there are 2 for Femshep, Garrus and Kaidan, (not counting Liara) and one of those two can die in ME1.
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*^What does the above statement tell you? Think about it quietly to yourself for a moment.
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*And for the last time, just because Thane's possible cures weren't brought up in ME3, doesn't mean it was a "creative choice."
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*^video games are an industry, 
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*^it takes time and money to make a game
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*^Bioware clearly decided to cater most of it's resources to it's core male market.

Modifié par Nube9, 07 août 2012 - 07:45 .

[LanceSolous13]

Yeah, I have an issue with playing Fem!Shepard because....Erm, She can gett completely locked out of hetrosexual relationships.

Kaidan could be dead from Virmire.
Thane dies in ME3 with no choice given.
Jacob cheats and knocks up another girl with no ability to avoid it besides not romancing him in the first place.
Garrus cannot be romanced in ME3 unless romanced in ME2.
Vega is not an LI, even though he seems like an obvious choice to remedy this issue.
Kelly Chambers also got an LI Upgrade between games (Though, Its a Homosexual Romance)
And then there's Dianna Allers but nobody cares about her and she's optional.
Leaving the only two garrunteed Romance options as Liara and Traynor; bothing being homosexual romances (Yes, Asari are monogendered but she basically is a homosexual romance).

Compare Bro!Shepard...

Liara
Steve Cortez
Kelly Chambers
Miranda Lawson
Jennifer "Jack"
Tali'Zorah vas Normandy nar Raya
Kaidan Alenko
Ashley Williams
Dianna Allers (Still, nobody cares, mots hated LI ever)

This isn't a bash on the homosexual relationships, I love the fact that they exist, but I sort of peeved because its very easy for Fem!Shepard to get locked out of hetrosexual romances.

[warlock22]

Nube9 wrote...

 Hmmm, people making it seem that writers (and creative staff in general) can write a story as they please dismissing basic industry factors such as budget, keeping your publishers happy, and meeting deadlines. 

To Blueprotoss and those that think along the same lines:
I'm going to bullet point these out  to make it easier for you to read.
*Thane's original writer left Bioware before ME3
.
*It was then assigned to Chris Helper
.
*In a tweet regarding romanced Thane's out of character responses, a BIOWARE WRITER literally replied that "THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON THANE....FORGOT HE WAS AN LI"
.
*There are six romance options for Male Shep, while there are 2 for Femshep, Garrus and Kaidan, (not counting Liara) and one of those two can die in ME1.
.
*^What does the above statement tell you? Think about it quietly to yourself for a moment.
.
*And for the last time, just because Thane's possible cures weren't brought up in ME3, doesn't mean it was a "creative choice."
.
*^video games are an industry, 
.
*^it takes time and money to make a game
.
*^Bioware clearly decided to cater most of it's resources to it's core male market.

Well said!

[DineBoo]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
This isn't a bash on the homosexual relationships, I love the fact that they exist, but I sort of peeved because its very easy for Fem!Shepard to get locked out of hetrosexual romances.

This! If you want a straight romance for femShep that takes your choices in ME1/ME2 into account (lol), you must:

-Keep Kaidan alive
-Romance Garrus in ME2.

This is just to have a choice of a straight romance. If you don't, you're either forced into a lesbian romance or forever alone. This would not have happened to broShep.

Look how limiting this is! At least broShep has some varierty with a ton of females and good gay options. 

It really shows what  BW thought of the their female and femShep fans. Everything was equal between the Sheps until ME3, which femShep got blown out of the water.

[HK-90210]

Nube9 wrote...
*In a tweet regarding romanced Thane's out of character responses, a BIOWARE WRITER literally replied that "THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON THANE....FORGOT HE WAS AN LI"

Woah, haven't run into this. Cite? Who said that?

Not that I don't believe you, I just didn't know this was said by an actual BW writer. I've heard this said by countless Thane fans, but I just thought they were voicing their personal opinion. But if a writer said this....

[RShara]

Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.

What I don't get is this:  They slipped in a siha or two, and had that make out scene...so how is it they remembered those but forgot the rest?  *boggled*

Modifié par RShara, 07 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[AresKeith]

them making poor excuses because there whole game went backwards

[Twilight_Princess]

Now when I watch Thane's pointless fight scene I like to mute it and listen to this

Derp song

Sums it up really LOL

[Nube9]

RShara, I dunno, maybe they forgot ever since the budget planning meeting or something. afterwards somebody must've been like "hey wait a minute...girls play this game too... hmmm." (Insert hospital makeout scene) :I

[wildannie]

Squeegee83 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Yeah, I have an issue with playing Fem!Shepard because....Erm, She can gett completely locked out of hetrosexual relationships.

This is what happen to me. After Thane died, I told Kaidan not to come back on the Normandy. (Honestly, I couldn't stand looking at him anymore) to end up with a parade of Lesbians.

What BioWare did was wrong and that's why I feel like they are hiding on us because they know what they did.

Bioware were wrong to do what they did, and I really hope that they DO know this... although sometimes I wonder, they often come over as very arrogant and seem to be oblivious to the problems of ME3 aside from the endings.

[JECW]

wildannie wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Yeah, I have an issue with playing Fem!Shepard because....Erm, She can gett completely locked out of hetrosexual relationships.

This is what happen to me. After Thane died, I told Kaidan not to come back on the Normandy. (Honestly, I couldn't stand looking at him anymore) to end up with a parade of Lesbians.

What BioWare did was wrong and that's why I feel like they are hiding on us because they know what they did.

Bioware were wrong to do what they did, and I really hope that they DO know this... although sometimes I wonder, they often come over as very arrogant and seem to be oblivious to the problems of ME3 aside from the endings.

Taking away two of femsheps choices was wrong and they know it. They just don't want to admit it.

Modifié par JECW, 08 août 2012 - 12:08 .

[Nube9]

 Naa they know, at least regarding Thane fans. At the recent ComiCon panel when it was time for audience questions, before anyone got the chance to ask anything they told the audience to hold questions regarding Thane for after the panel. :/
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Here's the youtube linkIt's just after 39mins.
What do you guys think? Does anyone have more info on this?
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Sigh* I really hope, with all of my nerdy heart, that they're actually planning to do something about this.
I'm sure that plenty of Bioware staff also love Thane, and if even Patrick Weekes is aware of the disservice that was done to his character, then maybe...just maybe.

Modifié par Nube9, 08 août 2012 - 12:12 .

[shepskisaac]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Chris Hepler is atrocious. He wrote EDI and Thane in ME3 and ruined both IMHO

Good luck getting any kind of Thane DLC with this kind of attitude

[AresKeith]

wildannie wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Yeah, I have an issue with playing Fem!Shepard because....Erm, She can gett completely locked out of hetrosexual relationships.

This is what happen to me. After Thane died, I told Kaidan not to come back on the Normandy. (Honestly, I couldn't stand looking at him anymore) to end up with a parade of Lesbians.

What BioWare did was wrong and that's why I feel like they are hiding on us because they know what they did.

Bioware were wrong to do what they did, and I really hope that they DO know this... although sometimes I wonder, they often come over as very arrogant and seem to be oblivious to the problems of ME3 aside from the endings.

like turning an RPG into a linear shooter

[JECW]

IsaacShep wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Chris Hepler is atrocious. He wrote EDI and Thane in ME3 and ruined both IMHO

Good luck getting any kind of Thane DLC with this kind of attitude

Do you even know what you are talking about?
This thread isn't even about getting a Thane DLC. We never even said that.

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Modifié par JECW, 08 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[RShara]

IsaacShep wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Chris Hepler is atrocious. He wrote EDI and Thane in ME3 and ruined both IMHO

Good luck getting any kind of Thane DLC with this kind of attitude

Way to focus on essentials?

[shepskisaac]

JECW wrote...

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Sure, but calling him atrocious really has little to do with constructive expression of opinion.

[LanceSolous13]

IsaacShep wrote...

JECW wrote...

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Sure, but calling him atrocious really has little to do with constructive expression of opinion.

We're going to be constructive to an extent but at the same time, we're not going to sugar coat it.

I would have just written it off as bad wrting until Hepler said at SDCC that he did justice to Thane's development and has always wanted to write an assassin. That's what makes it atrocious in my book.

There is only so far you can go until the Constructive Critisism changes to Brutal and Truthful Honesty.

[coldwetn0se]

RShara wrote...



Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.

What I don't get is this:  They slipped in a siha or two, and had that make out scene...so how is it they remembered those but forgot the rest?  *boggled*

Shara, I have always believed, that the romance dialogue (the very little there is) IS tacked on.  You can even hear a few "sihas" that don't really match the rest of the audio.  And considering how little romance related stuff there is....Consider the Interrupt when a romanced Shepard first sees Thane in me3; it just cuts off the normal lines that Shepard and Thane get.  And lets face it, that makeout scene most definately looks tacked on, considering what Thane says to you before that "optional" scene.  And talk about impersonal...there is no real intimacy to that scene, in my opinion.  I have the dialogue BTW, if anyone needs some quotes (courtesy of Julia_xo).

Lastly, the Official guide.  There is no mention of Thane as a love interest (I believe that Jacob IS still referenced as being a LI in ME2, and they go out of their way to say that he no longer is a LI in me3; would need to reaffirm this, since this was info passed to me back when the game first came out.)  He isn't even listed "as a person of interest".  It makes me wonder if the version they got to play in order to create the guide, was in fact different.  No real proof, but still makes you wonder.

[LanceSolous13]

coldwetn0se wrote...

RShara wrote...



Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.

What I don't get is this:  They slipped in a siha or two, and had that make out scene...so how is it they remembered those but forgot the rest?  *boggled*

Shara, I have always believed, that the romance dialogue (the very little there is) IS tacked on.  You can even hear a few "sihas" that don't really match the rest of the audio.  And considering how little romance related stuff there is....Consider the Interrupt when a romanced Shepard first sees Thane in me3; it just cuts off the normal lines that Shepard and Thane get.  And lets face it, that makeout scene most definately looks tacked on, considering what Thane says to you before that "optional" scene.  And talk about impersonal...there is no real intimacy to that scene, in my opinion.  I have the dialogue BTW, if anyone needs some quotes (courtesy of Julia_xo).

Lastly, the Official guide.  There is no mention of Thane as a love interest (I believe that Jacob IS still referenced as being a LI in ME2, and they go out of their way to say that he no longer is a LI in me3; would need to reaffirm this, since this was info passed to me back when the game first came out.)  He isn't even listed "as a person of interest".  It makes me wonder if the version they got to play in order to create the guide, was in fact different.  No real proof, but still makes you wonder.

Most Strategy Guides are written using a Beta version of the game; In other words, a copy of the game that is pretty much EXACTLY what will be shipped, just maybe a mission or two not here or there. I believe they list some missions or planets with missions that aren't in the finished produt.

I'm surprised they don't mention him for the Salaralian Councilor/Kai Leng Fight as talking to him is what charges him into the scene.

[AresKeith]

there were alot of things in ME3 that were cut out besides the Dark Energy ending, some goods and some really stupid

Modifié par AresKeith, 08 août 2012 - 01:49 .