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[Bluecansam]

Crysis44 wrote...

Wow. I'm really seeing how this - pardon me - dibsh*t is taking things. I support this, and if my LI died (depends, but probably Tali) id be so angry that i wouldn't play a Bioware game ever again. I read about the Jacob romance...that just sucks. Id be raging, but, putting my feelings aside. I may not be the smartest guy, the dumbest, or even the snarkiest, but i can put up a good discussion for a few posts. I fully support getting a cure or something of the matter for you people that romanced Thane in ME2. That being said, i never romanced him, but i was a friend all the way. It was wrong to remove such a good character with...well, wrong writing. I would have wrote it better. I hope this works out for you.

Coming in late, but I wanted to say thank you so much for your support! I appreciate your empathizing with us in this; a lot of people have a hard time putting themselves in our shoes. It's really difficult to watch your LI die, and even worse to be helpless to stop it.

I'm willing to buy BioWare stuff in the future, but not pre-order. I believe they're capable of learning from their mistakes, but I want to know that they have before I invest my money in anything they make. I'm iffy on DLC, though. I could probably do without them, if they don't fix Thane. Again, I'm waiting to hear whether they're any good first before I trust them with my money.

[Renmiri1]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

JECW wrote...

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Sure, but calling him atrocious really has little to do with constructive expression of opinion.

We're going to be constructive to an extent but at the same time, we're not going to sugar coat it.

I would have just written it off as bad wrting until Hepler said at SDCC that he did justice to Thane's development and has always wanted to write an assassin. That's what makes it atrocious in my book.

There is only so far you can go until the Constructive Critisism changes to Brutal and Truthful Honesty.

He was tasked to write for two pre-existing characters. One of them he forgot it was an LI and completely retconned the facts of the character. The other he gave a ****** and made it into a sexbot, a character that was funny and cool even without having a body gets a fan service body and loses its soul. Yup this writer is lazy and careless. Atrocious.

[DineBoo]

Renmiri1 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

JECW wrote...

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Sure, but calling him atrocious really has little to do with constructive expression of opinion.

We're going to be constructive to an extent but at the same time, we're not going to sugar coat it.

I would have just written it off as bad wrting until Hepler said at SDCC that he did justice to Thane's development and has always wanted to write an assassin. That's what makes it atrocious in my book.

There is only so far you can go until the Constructive Critisism changes to Brutal and Truthful Honesty.

He was tasked to write for two pre-existing characters. One of them he forgot it was an LI and completely retconned the facts of the character. The other he gave a ****** and made it into a sexbot, a character that was funny and cool even without having a body gets a fan service body and loses its soul. Yup this writer is lazy and careless. Atrocious.

And you have to remember Thane fans got trolled HARD and belittled by BW and still are to some degree.

Sure there are some raw nerves with Thane fans, and one or two might be snippy, but that doesn't justify a lot of BW responses to polite questions regarding Thane.

I'm amazed that Thane fans are still around and still being nice to BW after some of things I've read.

[coldwetn0se]

@Lance - this is exactly why I think that the game MAY have changed things after the beta release to Prima.....since he doesn't appear to be mentioned as a LI (past OR present), nor mentioned as a person of interest (hell...even Kahlee Sanders gets a mention as a person of relevance in the Official Guide)....yet Thane, a previous squadmate in ME2, official LI in ME2 (paramour achievement and FULL romance arc), AND one of the poster characters (on the front cover, and in the trailers) for ME2 doesn't even get a mention as a person of interest or past/present LI.......just disappointing beyond words.

[Twilight_Princess]

DineBoo wrote...

And you have to remember Thane fans got trolled HARD and belittled by BW and still are to some degree.

Sure there are some raw nerves with Thane fans, and one or two might be snippy, but that doesn't justify a lot of BW responses to polite questions regarding Thane.

I'm amazed that Thane fans are still around and still being nice to BW after some of things I've read.

Yup and Thane fans didn't forget bioware's past support of the cure . If it was never on the cards why did they help advertise the campaign at all? NOW we're not even allowed to talk about Thane LOL Well at least not in front of a room full of people *wink*  Actually I would like to know if any board members spoke to that panel afterwards.

[LanceSolous13]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

And you have to remember Thane fans got trolled HARD and belittled by BW and still are to some degree.

Sure there are some raw nerves with Thane fans, and one or two might be snippy, but that doesn't justify a lot of BW responses to polite questions regarding Thane.

I'm amazed that Thane fans are still around and still being nice to BW after some of things I've read.

Yup and Thane fans didn't forget bioware's past support of the cure . If it was never on the cards why did they help advertise the campaign at all? NOW we're not even allowed to talk about Thane LOL Well at least not in front of a room full of people *wink*  Actually I would like to know if any board members spoke to that panel afterwards.

I've heard that they up and left after the panel.

[Nube9]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

And you have to remember Thane fans got trolled HARD and belittled by BW and still are to some degree.

Sure there are some raw nerves with Thane fans, and one or two might be snippy, but that doesn't justify a lot of BW responses to polite questions regarding Thane.

I'm amazed that Thane fans are still around and still being nice to BW after some of things I've read.

Yup and Thane fans didn't forget bioware's past support of the cure . If it was never on the cards why did they help advertise the campaign at all? NOW we're not even allowed to talk about Thane LOL Well at least not in front of a room full of people *wink*  Actually I would like to know if any board members spoke to that panel afterwards.

I've heard that they up and left after the panel.

wow....I was wondering why nobody had any news about it. :/  Man it was also pretty horrible how Chris Priestly talked about the Thane fanbook on Twitter too. I know he's known as Evil Chris, but come on man a lot of well meaning fans worked really hard on it, I mean it was like 200 or so pages of fan letters and fan art, all nicely bookbinded.

[coldwetn0se]

Not sure what all was included with Squee's package to BW, but I think you may be confusing the Thane Fanbook, and the Save Thane Poster, letters and care package that Squee sent. The Thane Fanbook I don't believe has been sent yet. A few last things left that Myth is working on, and then Dani should be able to print everything up.....need to send that girl an email. RL has kept her MIA as of late.

[mythlover20]

Yeah, real life has really kicked Dani in the teeth. Me too, now. And since we're the only two left working on the Fanbook (the essay will take a long time to finish, because as you all should know by now, I'm a QUALITY OVER QUANTITY kind-of-girl. And I refuse to do Thane the disservice of rushing this. You know, like Hepler did) when something happens to us, production screeches to a halt. We've got all the artists and projects and supporters pages proofed, all that is left is the essay, and it's reference figures.

Unfortunately the things in Real Life that are preventing us from working on it are not small things, and in my case, if pretty much permanent, so all I can do is try to find a few minutes here and there to write and edit what I can when I can... which is why it can take up to a month between "finalised" essay updates over on da and the group thread.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Anyways, that didn't answer my question. Please point out something else in the Shadow Broker's files that is also false, incorrect, or otherwise wrong.

If you were a part of any of the ME writing teams then you might have some ground to stand on based on how there's little known information on the Drell to begin with.

way
to
avoid
the
question

Second of all, What writer are you talking about? L'eltere (ME2) though, I think I spelled his name wrong? or Hepler (ME3)?

I didn't avoid anything whne I could careless about specific writers based on most of the writing staff switches roles in each installment.

[Blueprotoss]

JECW wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

@Crysis44, thank you for the support. It gets wearying sometimes, trying to educate those that won't listen, so it's so nice to hear it when someone understands!

If you say this for one side then you have to say this about both sides while I see more avoidance against Thane's death/cure then supporting.

So you want us to say thank you for not supporting us. Why would we do that?

If you honestly think their is more support for his death than to cure him than you need to look around more because there is quite a bit of support for our side.

Most people knew Thane would die in ME3 just like if Mordin and Legion followed their goals in ME3 would possiblely end with death.  Btw if there was an overwelming supprort for Thane not to die then why didn't Bioware not write against his character.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 août 2012 - 04:36 .

[Blueprotoss]

Nube9 wrote...

 Hmmm, people making it seem that writers (and creative staff in general) can write a story as they please dismissing basic industry factors such as budget, keeping your publishers happy, and meeting deadlines. 

To Blueprotoss and those that think along the same lines:
I'm going to bullet point these out  to make it easier for you to read.
*Thane's original writer left Bioware before ME3
.
*It was then assigned to Chris Helper
.
*In a tweet regarding romanced Thane's out of character responses, a BIOWARE WRITER literally replied that "THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON THANE....FORGOT HE WAS AN LI"
.
*There are six romance options for Male Shep, while there are 2 for Femshep, Garrus and Kaidan, (not counting Liara) and one of those two can die in ME1.
.
*^What does the above statement tell you? Think about it quietly to yourself for a moment.
.
*And for the last time, just because Thane's possible cures weren't brought up in ME3, doesn't mean it was a "creative choice."
.
*^video games are an industry, 
.
*^it takes time and money to make a game
.
*^Bioware clearly decided to cater most of it's resources to it's core male market.

Excuses are excuses while you should expect everything isn't fair as a facte of life and everyone doesn't get what they want when millions of people are in a fanbase.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

like turning an RPG into a linear shooter

I highly doubt that you have played that many RPGs especially in the Action ones.  Btw if anye ME that would be considered a "Shooter" then it would be ME2 not ME3.

AresKeith wrote...

there were alot of things in ME3 that were cut out besides the Dark Energy ending, some goods and some really stupid

If you're going to go there then you should mention the tons of content cut from ME1 and ME2 to make a fair and accurate statement. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 août 2012 - 04:44 .

[Blueprotoss]

Renmiri1 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

JECW wrote...

Also she said it was her opinion. She is allowed to voice her opinion if that's ok with you.

Sure, but calling him atrocious really has little to do with constructive expression of opinion.

We're going to be constructive to an extent but at the same time, we're not going to sugar coat it.

I would have just written it off as bad wrting until Hepler said at SDCC that he did justice to Thane's development and has always wanted to write an assassin. That's what makes it atrocious in my book.

There is only so far you can go until the Constructive Critisism changes to Brutal and Truthful Honesty.

He was tasked to write for two pre-existing characters. One of them he forgot it was an LI and completely retconned the facts of the character. The other he gave a ****** and made it into a sexbot, a character that was funny and cool even without having a body gets a fan service body and loses its soul. Yup this writer is lazy and careless. Atrocious.

If thats true then Thane would have conradicted his character in ME2 and Joker/EDI also wouldn't have had a love/hate relationship in ME2.

DineBoo wrote...

And you have to remember Thane fans got trolled HARD and belittled by BW and still are to some degree.

Sure there are some raw nerves with Thane fans, and one or two might be snippy, but that doesn't justify a lot of BW responses to polite questions regarding Thane.

I'm amazed that Thane fans are still around and still being nice to BW after some of things I've read.

Also if that happened then Thane wouldn't have been shown in ME3 and we shouldn't forget that ME is designed based on lots of characters not just Thane. 

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I've heard that they up and left after the panel.

If thats true then some people would have been raging on the SDCC 2012 topics that BSN had.   Btw they would have left eventually based on how they had 2-3 more panels to do on that day.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 août 2012 - 04:54 .

[Nube9]

BlueProtoss:
[quote]Excuses are excuses while you should expect everything isn't fair as a facte of life and everyone doesn't get what they want when millions of people are in a fanbase. [quote/]
[quote]Most people knew Thane would die in ME3 just like if Mordin and Legion followed their goals in ME3 would possiblely end with death. Btw if there was an overwelming supprort for Thane not to die then why didn't Bioware not write against his character. [quote/]
[quote]I highly doubt that you have played that many RPGs especially in the Action ones. Btw if anye ME that would be considered a "Shooter" then it would be ME2 not ME3.[quote/]

What are your arguements? They have absolutely no substance.
You're just saying words, so either come up with decent constructive arguements, backed by actual facts or research, or don't even make them at all.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I didn't avoid anything whne I could careless about specific writers based on most of the writing staff switches roles in each installment.

You did avoid something. You quoted spesifically my question of...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Anyways, that didn't answer my question. Please point out something else in the Shadow Broker's files that is also false, incorrect, or otherwise wrong.

and then proceded state things unrelated to the question I asked and you quoted.

Also, the phrase is "I couldn't care less". Saying that "You could care less" means that you do in fact care.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

If thats true then Thane would have conradicted his character in ME2 and Joker/EDI also wouldn't have had a love/hate relationship in ME2.

But Thane DOES contradict himself several times in Mass Effect 3, as I extensivly stated on Page 20. I don't even see what your arguement about Joker and EDI is from ME2. They weren't written by Hepler in ME2.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 08 août 2012 - 09:24 .

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Nube9 wrote...

 Hmmm, people making it seem that writers (and creative staff in general) can write a story as they please dismissing basic industry factors such as budget, keeping your publishers happy, and meeting deadlines. 

To Blueprotoss and those that think along the same lines:
I'm going to bullet point these out  to make it easier for you to read.
*Thane's original writer left Bioware before ME3
.
*It was then assigned to Chris Helper
.
*In a tweet regarding romanced Thane's out of character responses, a BIOWARE WRITER literally replied that "THEY DROPPED THE BALL ON THANE....FORGOT HE WAS AN LI"
.
*There are six romance options for Male Shep, while there are 2 for Femshep, Garrus and Kaidan, (not counting Liara) and one of those two can die in ME1.
.
*^What does the above statement tell you? Think about it quietly to yourself for a moment.
.
*And for the last time, just because Thane's possible cures weren't brought up in ME3, doesn't mean it was a "creative choice."
.
*^video games are an industry, 
.
*^it takes time and money to make a game
.
*^Bioware clearly decided to cater most of it's resources to it's core male market.

Excuses are excuses while you should expect everything isn't fair as a facte of life and everyone doesn't get what they want when millions of people are in a fanbase.

That is true to an extent.

Take the endings for an example,

Sure, there are people who will hate the ending no matter what, however, There IS infact a way to write an ending that DOESN'T ****** of the majority of the fanbase.

So, even though many people are upset about how screwed the ME2 Romances are, There is infact a way to write Thane AND Jacob without axing their romances entirely.

But, they did axe their romances and ****** of the fans, and thus, here we are.

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there were alot of things in ME3 that were cut out besides the Dark Energy ending, some goods and some really stupid

If you're going to go there then you should mention the tons of content cut from ME1 and ME2 to make a fair and accurate statement. 

Except, There wasn't a whole ton cut from Mass Effect 1. The biggest thing the removed was Callistan but I don't think that got past the conceptual stage as its not even mentioned in the plot.

What was cut from Mass Effect 2 was Kasumi Goto and Zaeed Massani (Who weren't going to be Talk to Click Squaddies), Project Firewalker, and Lair of the Shadow Broker. All were later added as DLC, leaving just spare dialogue lines on the cutting room floor.

So...Before Mass Effect 3, The biggest thing they took out never made it past conceptual stage.

[Han Shot First]

The mistake Bioware made was in even considering curing Thane because some fans demanded it.

Instead they should have just come right out and said after ME2, "I'm sorry that you didn't like that Thane has a terminal ilness, but we consider that plotline central to his character. Other people are happy with where went with him, and we have no plans at the moment to deviate from that."

.

[RShara]

Han you never did respond to what I said about your idea of illness being central to a character.

Which, btw, I disagree with....any more than Miranda's infertility is central to her character, or Tali's need to wear a suit is central to her character.

[AresKeith]

IMO trying to use the writers to back up arguements is a poor excuse

[LanceSolous13]

RShara wrote...

Han you never did respond to what I said about your idea of illness being central to a character.

Which, btw, I disagree with....any more than Miranda's infertility is central to her character, or Tali's need to wear a suit is central to her character.

For the record, neither are actually discussed in ME3, to my knowledge. Miranda I know for sure isn't because I'm a Mirimancer but idk Tali. I think she brings it up in her Romance Scene?

Hell, Miranda's infertility is only discussed in a text message in LotSB.

[RShara]

No but the quarians needing their suits is sort of a big (and potentially life threatening) thing for them. But again, it's no more central to Tali's character than Thane's illness is central to his, imo.

[LanceSolous13]

Wait, Tali actually discusses the Quarians being free of their suits if you made peace. nvm.