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[Tasha Nar Rayya]

All I mean is that it isn't constructive to be so negative. It frustrates the individual, and it frustrates whoever is being targeted (so, Thane's writer I assume.) I know you are making your voice known. But it seems that the expectations are very unrealistic considering it changes the canon that has already been established.

[DineBoo]

As someone who didn't romance Thane I don't see it as negativity. I think it's more frustration. And just being tired.

Imagine getting told over and over "You knew he was dying trolololol" from BW and other people, yet when you make a sensible case to prolong or cure Thane's illness you get "Pfftt!" in return.

You point out how unfair it was that femShep loses two LIs, and has more lesbian LIs while broShep keeps his and gains more, you get "Duh, guys play more games then girls."

For me, as a Garrusmancer, it'd be like if Garrus suddenly turns you down saying an interspecies relationship wouldn't work. Then when you protest the change, you get "Duh it wouldn't last." Meanwhile broShep still gets to run around with Liara and Tali.

After a while, the comments (sincere and trolling) get old.

[Blueprotoss]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Council and the Reapers.

How is that because Anderson decided to go back to the Aliiance and we know little about the Reapers to begin with.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Addition of Thermal Clips.

To better combat the Geth.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

The Strength of the Reapers (namely Sovreign)

Viigil helped while the majority of the Alliance fleets at the Citadel were destroyed like the Citadel forces.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Those are big plot changes.

I'm just asking how based on how they're built off of ME1 and ME2.

[Blueprotoss]

Tasha Nar Rayya wrote...

All I mean is that it isn't constructive to be so negative. It frustrates the individual, and it frustrates whoever is being targeted (so, Thane's writer I assume.) I know you are making your voice known. But it seems that the expectations are very unrealistic considering it changes the canon that has already been established.

This is very true and more pure/extreme negativity won't solve anything.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[samb]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you condicted yourself since a liver transplant isn't a cure for alcoholism especially when a lot of alcohols end up getting multiple liver transplants either by organ rejection or more alcohol abuse.

Liver failure is not the same as alchol abuse.  A transplant will cure your liver failure.  That is a fact, but it might not cure the cause of it.  Also most alcohlics don't get put on the transplant list in the first place because it's not like livers grow on tress.  All candidates are carefully screened and vetted.  Which is why I said you don't know what you are talking about.

If I didn't know what I was takking about then I would be assuming that Kepral Syndrome can be cured by a lung transplant while no disease can be cured alone with a transplant since the ultimate disease of death isn't curable.  Everyone will die and nobody is immortal.

You don't know what you are talking about because you are wrong.  If you had any experience in medicine you would know that transplants do save lives and cure disease. 

Transplants do cure the disease they were meant to.  If you have end stage renal disease, then a new kidney will cure it.  If you have hepatic failure, a new liver will cure it.  If you have aplastic anemia, a bone marrow transplant will cure it. 

Hence, you are talking out of your ass.  If Kepral's syndrome was damage to the lungs due to moisture, then a new lung would cure it, and an exosuit to filter moisture out would prevent it from reoccuring.  All transplant recipeipants need immune suppression to prevent rejection, which could lead to increased infections in the future.  But that is not the same as "not a cure".  Those are just side effects of the cure itself.

[LanceSolous13]

"Yet you replied and ignoring what Bioware already established"

XD

Oh my sides! Hahahahahaha. OH GOD!

THATS your best rebuttle to the facts I presented?

Today is a great day.

[Taboo]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Council and the Reapers.

How is that because Anderson decided to go back to the Aliiance and we know little about the Reapers to begin with.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Addition of Thermal Clips.

To better combat the Geth.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

The Strength of the Reapers (namely Sovreign)

Viigil helped while the majority of the Alliance fleets at the Citadel were destroyed like the Citadel forces.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Those are big plot changes.

I'm just asking how based on how they're built off of ME1 and ME2.

They retconned the council's awareness of the Reapers. They switched them from beliving to dismissing them.

Sovereign was still more powerful than any other Reaper that has been encountered and Destroyed in game. Bioware later retconned his power and stated that the was too strong. Vigil has nothing to do with this.

Furthermore there are major inaccuracies with characters like Thane and Miranda. Entire plot points were discarded and in the case of Miranda, the timeline messed with. The latter makes no sense.

[LanceSolous13]

Just look at Jacob's Romance. He was established as a man of principle in ME2 and is the first LI to tell Shepard he loves her.

Mass Effect 3 nukes him and his fans with him knocking up Bryn between games and Shepard is unable to get pissed at this.

This is a complete retcon/contradiction between games.

[Blueprotoss]

samb wrote...

Liver failure is not the same as alchol abuse.  A transplant will cure your liver failure.  That is a fact, but it might not cure the cause of it.  Also most alcohlics don't get put on the transplant list in the first place because it's not like livers grow on tress.  All candidates are carefully screened and vetted.  Which is why I said you don't know what you are talking about.

Liver failure is liver failure whether its alcoholism or any other disease even if its not based in the liver itself.  Btw enough money and knowing the right people will get you past screening and vetting.

samb wrote... 

You don't know what you are talking about because you are wrong.  If you had any experience in medicine you would know that transplants do save lives and cure disease.

If I did then I would be saying that transplants are the cure all on disease.

samb wrote... 

Transplants do cure the disease they were meant to.  If you have end stage renal disease, then a new kidney will cure it.  If you have hepatic failure, a new liver will cure it.  If you have aplastic anemia, a bone marrow transplant will cure it. 

Organ failures aren't always related to that organ while the symptoms will tell you a different if you pay attention enough.

samb wrote... 

Hence, you are talking out of your ass.  If Kepral's syndrome was damage to the lungs due to moisture, then a new lung would cure it, and an exosuit to filter moisture out would prevent it from reoccuring.  All transplant recipeipants need immune suppression to prevent rejection, which could lead to increased infections in the future.  But that is not the same as "not a cure".  Those are just side effects of the cure itself.

Again if I was talking out of my ass then I would make assumptions that Kepral Syndrome has cure and expect a miracle.  There is no current cure for Kepral's Syndrome just like how it was only recently being looked at by the Hanar while Thane would have died already based on the years of research and testing.  Btw you also assume that you could have survived the surgery if there was a real cure.

[Blueprotoss]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They retconned the council's awareness of the Reapers. They switched them from beliving to dismissing them.

All they saw was the Geth and it still wasn't the projected time for the Reaper Invasion anyways.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Sovereign was still more powerful than any other Reaper that has been encountered and Destroyed in game. Bioware later retconned his power and stated that the was too strong. Vigil has nothing to do with this.

Sovreign is the same size as Harbinger, which is the medium size, while there are Reapers bigger then those two.  Vigil had a lot to do with Sovreign's defeat like how he was uploaded into the Citadel's control panel and Sovreign also revived Saren, which lowered Sovreign's shields.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Furthermore there are major inaccuracies with characters like Thane and Miranda. Entire plot points were discarded and in the case of Miranda, the timeline messed with. The latter makes no sense.

Thats false and if there's a messed up timeline then that belongs solely to Shepard.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Just look at Jacob's Romance. He was established as a man of principle in ME2 and is the first LI to tell Shepard he loves her.

Mass Effect 3 nukes him and his fans with him knocking up Bryn between games and Shepard is unable to get pissed at this.

This is a complete retcon/contradiction between games.

How is that when Jacob resented his dad while still acted like his dad in ME2.  You also seem to forget that nobody can have a 100% statisfactory rating and you will always have differing opinions when you personally didn't create that content or millions of people are taken into consideration.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 08:50 .

[LanceSolous13]

He's talking about at the end of Mass Effect 1. They recognize that the Reaper exist in ME1's ending, but then "dismiss that claim" in Mass Effect 2. This is called a retcon.


Bioware has outright stated that there wasn't a lot of comunication between the team doing the cinimatics for Mass Effect 1 and he was protrayed inaccuratly; accidentally over-powered.


First off, how is it false? Back up that accusation. Second, It isn't. For starters, Oriana is 16 in Mass Effect 3 even though she was 19 in Mass Effect 2.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

He's talking about at the end of Mass Effect 1. They recognize that the Reaper exist in ME1's ending, but then "dismiss that claim" in Mass Effect 2. This is called a retcon.

Yet that isn't a retcon since they only saw the Geth and there was no exact time for the Repear Invasion until Arrival.  An example of a retcon would be the Illussive Man directly telling us in ME3 on the one compueter panel that Shepard's crew was to keep him/her leashed.  Personally I wasn't surprised about that.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Bioware has outright stated that there wasn't a lot of comunication between the team doing the cinimatics for Mass Effect 1 and he was protrayed inaccuratly; accidentally over-powered.

Thats a farce.

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

First off, how is it false? Back up that accusation. Second, It isn't. For starters, Oriana is 16 in Mass Effect 3 even though she was 19 in Mass Effect 2.

Yet I have and you still deny it.  Btw maybe the age change was from Miranda altering the data to hide her sister like how Miranda mentioned in ME2.  Its not that hard to notice things without overthinking.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 09:07 .

[BSpud]

In what way was Jacob like his father in ME2?

[Taboo]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They retconned the council's awareness of the Reapers. They switched them from beliving to dismissing them.

All they saw was the Geth and it still wasn't the projected time for the Reaper Invasion anyways.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Sovereign was still more powerful than any other Reaper that has been encountered and Destroyed in game. Bioware later retconned his power and stated that the was too strong. Vigil has nothing to do with this.

Sovreign is the same size as Harbinger, which is the medium size, while there are Reapers bigger then those two.  Vigil had a lot to do with Sovreign's defeat like how he was uploaded into the Citadel's control panel and Sovreign also revived Saren, which lowered Sovreign's shields.

Taboo-XX wrote... 

Furthermore there are major inaccuracies with characters like Thane and Miranda. Entire plot points were discarded and in the case of Miranda, the timeline messed with. The latter makes no sense.

Thats false and if there's a messed up timeline then that belongs solely to Shepard.

The Council acknowledged the the threat at the end of ME1 and then dismissed it.

Soveriegn was stated as being too strong BY Bioware so subsequent Reapers were weakened. This is why you can destroy the Larva in ME2 without a fleet of ships.

None of the things I have posted about Miranda are false. If I am to believe the Shadow Broker Dossier, Miranda was out sleeping with random men on Omega WHILE she was on the ship. These emails had to have taken places years before the Lazarus Project took place and yet, her username has an SR2 in it. It makes ZERO sense.

[Blueprotoss]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

In what way was Jacob like his father in ME2?

Miltary records of both  and having multiple women at one time.

[LanceSolous13]

Excuse me? Have you even seen the scene where Oriana is changed from 19 to 16? It has nothing to do with Miranda 'changing her age to hide her' as you suggested. Its an outright change to the previously established canon.

And, you didn't. You said, and I quote, "Thats false..." You did nothing to back up the accusation of it being false.

And how is that a farce? This is something Bioware has admitted to their fans a long time ago. They accidentally made Sovrign overpowered.


Moving on, Jacob IS NOTHING like his father in Mass Effect 2. His Loyalty Mission's entire point is that he is nothing like his father.

[Blueprotoss]

Taboo-XX wrote... 

The Council acknowledged the the threat at the end of ME1 and then dismissed it.

Again all they saw were the Geth and it still wasn't the projected time for the Reaper Invasion anyways.

Taboo-XX wrote...   

Soveriegn was stated as being too strong BY Bioware so subsequent Reapers were weakened. This is why you can destroy the Larva in ME2 without a fleet of ships.

Sovreign was weakened by Vigil and Saren's resurrection while the Human Reaper was far from completelion let alone at 50%.

Taboo-XX wrote...  

None of the things I have posted about Miranda are false. If I am to believe the Shadow Broker Dossier, Miranda was out sleeping with random men on Omega WHILE she was on the ship. These emails had to have taken places years before the Lazarus Project took place and yet, her username has an SR2 in it. It makes ZERO sense.

Miranda said she would do anything to save Orianna and changes her records with or without Miranda's skills isn't surprising.  Miranda also knew that her father would go after her anyways.

[BSpud]

Ronald Taylor was not in the military. Jacob did not "have" multiple women in ME2. The suggestion that Jacob's cheating on a romanced Shepard in ME3 had a basis remains unsubstantiated.

[LanceSolous13]

BUT MIRANDA DIDN'T CHANGE THE RECORDS. It makes no sense for Oriana to be refered to Shepard as 16 years of age when Shepard himself knows otherwise.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Excuse me? Have you even seen the scene where Oriana is changed from 19 to 16? It has nothing to do with Miranda 'changing her age to hide her' as you suggested. Its an outright change to the previously established canon.

And, you didn't. You said, and I quote, "Thats false..." You did nothing to back up the accusation of it being false.

And how is that a farce? This is something Bioware has admitted to their fans a long time ago. They accidentally made Sovrign overpowered.

That is a farce since you're saying whats cannon and non-cannon without having the knowledge to say so. 

LanceSolous13 wrote... 

Moving on, Jacob IS NOTHING like his father in Mass Effect 2. His Loyalty Mission's entire point is that he is nothing like his father.

So Jacob never had a problematic record in the Alliance like his dad or had multiple women at one time in ME3 if you romanced him in ME2.

LanceSolous13 wrote...

BUT MIRANDA DIDN'T CHANGE THE RECORDS. It makes no sense for Oriana to be refered to Shepard as 16 years of age when Shepard himself knows otherwise.

Why wouldn't she based on how her father was looking for Orianna. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Ronald Taylor was not in the military. Jacob did not "have" multiple women in ME2. The suggestion that Jacob's cheating on a romanced Shepard in ME3 had a basis remains unsubstantiated.

Yet he had an Alliance backgrond and Jacob had that fling in ME3 if you romanced Jacob in ME2.

[krukow]

Well, over the course of two years, they never see or hear from another reaper, and everyone who has talked to one is dead, or dispersed somewhere.

It is possible that they just started to think that it must have been a geth thing, and that clearly the reapers are silly. I mean, robot space chtulus who destroy all life every 50,000 years? Hah, pull the other one!

People do that all the time, where they think one thing in the moment, but convince themselves otherwise later on. So not a retcon.

[BSpud]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet he had an Alliance backgrond and Jacob had that fling in ME3 if you romanced Jacob in ME2.

Ron Taylor was a privateer (edit-- actually the Hugo Gernback was a privately-owned survey ship and there's no background info provided on Ronald Taylor's ME Wikia entry), not military. Regardless, both of them sharing a military background has nothing to do with character flaws.

Jacob's romance in ME3 is the whole point of this. Again, let the record show that Jacob was not in any way a womanizer or cheater in ME2.

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 17 août 2012 - 10:58 .