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[BSpud]

Blueprotoss wrote...

His father cheats in ME2 and if you romance Jacob then Jacob cheats on you in ME3.  Its not that hard to notice that.

Ronald Taylor doesn't cheat on anyone, because he is not in a monogamous relationship with anyone. He is a ****ing rapist, though.

Blueprotoss wrote...

I see that you're not interested in the facts.

I gave you no such indication. I pointed out to you that you are using terrible logic. The fact that Jacob is a two-timer in ME3 is exactly what is contentious. It's not evidence--it's the core of the argument. If your defense of this happening is "This is not out of character for Jacob, he was always a cheater," then YOUR job is to prove that he was always a cheater, ie., find something similar in Jacob's past (it would have to be either his appearance/ revealed backstory in ME2 or in Galaxy). Of course, such evidence doesn't exist, but for argument's sake it's the only thing that will prove your premise. All we have right now is you creating an assocation fallacy that says just because Ronald Taylor was a dick, Jacob has to be, too.

As Legion would say, "An analogy:"

Bob and Fred go to Jane's house. Bob uses Jane's bathroom. Bobs sprays noxious diarrhea all over Jane's shower curtains, even writing "Death to Pigs" and "Helter Skelter" all over the bathrooms walls with the aid of his fetid liquid poo. Bob then runs out of Jane's house and disappears. Jane and Fred discover the horrible mess in Jane's bathroom. Jane says to Fred, "Wtf. We've known Bob for years, I would never have expected this from him. What would compel this seemingly nice guy to spray foul poop-water all over my wonderful shower curtains with the cute tropical beach theme and also write crazy Manson Family jargon all over my splendid vintage paisley wallpaper? This does not seem like him based on empiricial past experience." Fred responds, "What are you talking about, this is so totally Bob." Jane is confused. "What do you mean, Fred? When has he ever done anything like this?" Fred replies to Jane, "He did it right now. Ergo, he has always been this way QED, beeyatch!" Jane now thinks Fred is an even sillier person than Bob. Suddenly, Frank Zappa rises out of the floor and plays a harmonica through his nose. The End.

So, Bob is Jacob. Bob's vile waste explosion and odious behavior = Jacob cheating. Jane = us. Fred = you. Fred's justification = your justification. Frank Zappa appearing out of nowhere and playing the nose harmonica = the existential horror of an indifferent universe.

See? So the only thing you have to do is show us an example of this kind of behavior in Jacob before the incident itself. Not cite the incident itself as the example.

BlueP, you are going to eventually be able to follow a line of reasoning that goes from A to B to C. You will. You will, dammit.

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 18 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[samb]

Blueprotoss wrote...
If you realy knew what you were talking about then you would know that a transplant isn't a cure for disease. and if I was factually wrong then immortality wouldn't be a dream.

I do know what I'm talking about and I know you are wrong.  Go and read up on organ failure in Harrison's textbook of internal medicine and get educated you idiot.  If your arguement is an organ transplant won't cure everything (like AIDS) then you are even more of an idiot.  Specific pathologies require specific treatment.  As I have said many times already, transplants do treat what they were meant to treat.  There is no cure all and if your arguement is "transplants cure everything" then you just made a statement that somehow is even dumber.
In case you didn't figure it out, my degree is MD.  As in medical doctor.  Don't take my word for it, read up and realize you are wrong and stop posting.

I'm not ignoring anything or I'm not a hipster while I see you're too busy with insults and over analyzing to see the facts.

It is frustrating to list textbooks and relate patient experiences as reference to why you are wrong and just have you continue to sprout nonsense.  If you continue to recite your wrong headed ideas what else am I supposed to think other than you as an idiot?  Treatment options are evidence based, you can find them posted online in the respective colleges.  Your posts are simply (misguilded) opinion, not based on gathered data.  

How is that especially when transplants usually make you weaker based on the amount of drugs and suppliments that you need to take to stay healthy and avoid organ rejection.

Because getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure you fool.  I have a patient who has lived a normal life on immune suppressants after getting a kidney transplant when she was a kid.  How many patients have you treated with a transplanted organ?  

That actually was ironic based on how  you are talking out of your ass and making a lot of assumptions on Kepral's Syndrome.  If you really knew what you were talking about then you won't this far reaching even in the ME lore.

Lore was pretty clear as to what Kepral was.  Tissue damage due to moisture, and modeled after cystic fibrosis.  This makes a transplant a vialbe treatment option and an exosuit for prevention.  This is why Thane's death was so nonsensical, especially for anyone with medical knowledge.  Cystic Fibrosis is managable and a transplant is one of the ways to do it.  
A more realistic way of protraying his death would be dying while waiting for his new lungs.  Something that happens a bit more than I'd like it to. 

Just let this go.  You are wrong, it has nothing do with winning a forum arguement.  The evidence is against you, stop talking and I'll think you're smart enough to realize that simple fact.

[RShara]

AresKeith wrote...

RShara wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Quote fail.

pot calling kettle.

WHOA I WAS JUST POSSESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!

yet I'm the one not trying to insult

You're wrong based on the quote was failed.

[BSpud]

And hey, people, I'm sorry if I'm adding to any seeming derailment of this thread, taking it away from the Thane issue. I like to think that the crap treatment of all applicable LIs are relevant and related, but, you know, using this thread for anything non-Thane may not be welcomed. Anyway, I am not a Thanemancer or anything, but I stand in solidarity. I can still see that you guys got royally ****ed. A while back this thread made me totally appreciate Thane in a new way (I always dug him, but only ever experienced him as a squad buddy).

[Taboo]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

And hey, people, I'm sorry if I'm adding to any seeming derailment of this thread, taking it away from the Thane issue. I like to think that the crap treatment of all applicable LIs are relevant and related, but, you know, using this thread for anything non-Thane may not be welcomed. Anyway, I am not a Thanemancer or anything, but I stand in solidarity. I can still see that you guys got royally ****ed. A while back this thread made me totally appreciate Thane in a new way (I always dug him, but only ever experienced him as a squad buddy).

I could careless 

Stop straw-mann

haters gonna hate

[Roxy]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

And hey, people, I'm sorry if I'm adding to any seeming derailment of this thread, taking it away from the Thane issue. I like to think that the crap treatment of all applicable LIs are relevant and related, but, you know, using this thread for anything non-Thane may not be welcomed. Anyway, I am not a Thanemancer or anything, but I stand in solidarity. I can still see that you guys got royally ****ed. A while back this thread made me totally appreciate Thane in a new way (I always dug him, but only ever experienced him as a squad buddy).

Thanks for the support!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss has talent for derailment.
Counter with mass Thane Support!

[wildannie]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

His father cheats in ME2 and if you romance Jacob then Jacob cheats on you in ME3.  Its not that hard to notice that.

Ronald Taylor doesn't cheat on anyone, because he is not in a monogamous relationship with anyone. He is a ****ing rapist, though.

Blueprotoss wrote...

I see that you're not interested in the facts.

I gave you no such indication. I pointed out to you that you are using terrible logic. The fact that Jacob is a two-timer in ME3 is exactly what is contentious. It's not evidence--it's the core of the argument. If your defense of this happening is "This is not out of character for Jacob, he was always a cheater," then YOUR job is to prove that he was always a cheater, ie., find something similar in Jacob's past (it would have to be either his appearance/ revealed backstory in ME2 or in Galaxy). Of course, such evidence doesn't exist, but for argument's sake it's the only thing that will prove your premise. All we have right now is you creating an assocation fallacy that says just because Ronald Taylor was a dick, Jacob has to be, too.

As Legion would say, "An analogy:"

Bob and Fred go to Jane's house. Bob uses Jane's bathroom. Bobs sprays noxious diarrhea all over Jane's shower curtains, even writing "Death to Pigs" and "Helter Skelter" all over the bathrooms walls with the aid of his fetid liquid poo. Bob then runs out of Jane's house and disappears. Jane and Fred discover the horrible mess in Jane's bathroom. Jane says to Fred, "Wtf. We've known Bob for years, I would never have expected this from him. What would compel this seemingly nice guy to spray foul poop-water all over my wonderful shower curtains with the cute tropical beach theme and also write crazy Manson Family jargon all over my splendid vintage paisley wallpaper? This does not seem like him based on empiricial past experience." Fred responds, "What are you talking about, this is so totally Bob." Jane is confused. "What do you mean, Fred? When has he ever done anything like this?" Fred replies to Jane, "He did it right now. Ergo, he has always been this way QED, beeyatch!" Jane now thinks Fred is an even sillier person than Bob. Suddenly, Frank Zappa rises out of the floor and plays a harmonica through his nose. The End.

So, Bob is Jacob. Bob's vile waste explosion and odious behavior = Jacob cheating. Jane = us. Fred = you. Fred's justification = your justification. Frank Zappa appearing out of nowhere and playing the nose harmonica = the existential horror of an indifferent universe.

See? So the only thing you have to do is show us an example of this kind of behavior in Jacob before the incident itself. Not cite the incident itself as the example.

BlueP, you are going to eventually be able to follow a line of reasoning that goes from A to B to C. You will. You will, dammit.

priceless! :lol::lol:

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

[If you're having a hard time understanding the facts then thats on you not me.

Yet ironically it is you who doesn't understand facts, since cows go moo.

How is that when you're using opinions.

Roxy wrote...

 I don't think he even knows the meaning of the word facts!

If thats the case then you would be using facts instead of opinions and insults. 

[Blueprotoss]

Renmiri1 wrote...

[ start Blueprotoss impersonation ]

Jacob's father has 2 eyes and 2 ears so Jacob is definitely like his father because he is not a one eyed, Van Gog wannabe mutant!

[ end BP Impersonation ]

Insulting people won't help you just like ignoring the facts.  Jacob and his father is proving the old saying of "father like son" is true.

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss has talent for derailment.
Counter with mass Thane Support!

Yet I didn't start the Jacob discussion and I'm not insulting anyone. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 août 2012 - 01:49 .

[Blueprotoss]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Ronald Taylor doesn't cheat on anyone, because he is not in a monogamous relationship with anyone. He is a ****ing rapist, though.

Either way he's in multiple relationships at one time.

BeefheartSpud wrote... 

I gave you no such indication. I pointed out to you that you are using terrible logic. The fact that Jacob is a two-timer in ME3 is exactly what is contentious. It's not evidence--it's the core of the argument. If your defense of this happening is "This is not out of character for Jacob, he was always a cheater," then YOUR job is to prove that he was always a cheater, ie., find something similar in Jacob's past (it would have to be either his appearance/ revealed backstory in ME2 or in Galaxy). Of course, such evidence doesn't exist, but for argument's sake it's the only thing that will prove your premise. All we have right now is you creating an assocation fallacy that says just
because Ronald Taylor was a dick, Jacob has to be, too.

I'm using logic while you're avoiding those facts.  Jacob and his father have cheated on people while thats not surrpising.

BeefheartSpud wrote... 

As Legion would say, "An analogy:"

Yet that isn't an analogy.

BeefheartSpud wrote...  

Bob and Fred go to Jane's house. Bob uses Jane's bathroom. Bobs sprays noxious diarrhea all over Jane's shower curtains, even writing "Death to Pigs" and "Helter Skelter" all over the bathrooms walls with the aid of his fetid liquid poo. Bob then runs out of Jane's house and disappears. Jane and Fred discover the horrible mess in Jane's bathroom. Jane says to Fred, "Wtf. We've known Bob for years, I would never have expected this from him. What would compel this seemingly nice guy to spray foul poop-water all over my wonderful shower curtains with the cute tropical beach theme and also write crazy Manson Family jargon all over my splendid vintage paisley wallpaper? This does not seem like him based on empiricial past experience." Fred responds, "What are you talking about, this is so totally Bob." Jane is confused. "What do you mean, Fred? When has he ever done anything like this?" Fred replies to Jane, "He did it right now. Ergo, he has always been this way QED, beeyatch!" Jane now thinks Fred is an even sillier person than Bob. Suddenly, Frank Zappa rises out of the floor and plays a harmonica through his nose. The End.

So, Bob is Jacob. Bob's vile waste explosion and odious behavior = Jacob cheating. Jane = us. Fred = you. Fred's justification = your justification. Frank Zappa appearing out of nowhere and playing the nose harmonica = the existential horror of an indifferent universe.

See? So the only thing you have to do is show us an example of this kind of behavior in Jacob before the incident itself. Not cite the incident itself as the example.

BlueP, you are going to eventually be able to follow a line of reasoning that goes from A to B to C. You will. You will, dammit.

I see there's nothing new with some people resorting to insults when they're not interested in reason.

BeefheartSpud wrote...

And hey, people, I'm sorry if I'm adding to any seeming derailment of this thread, taking it away from the Thane issue. I like to think that the crap treatment of all applicable LIs are relevant and related, but, you know, using this thread for anything non-Thane may not be welcomed. Anyway, I am not a Thanemancer or anything, but I stand in solidarity. I can still see that you guys got royally ****ed. A while back this thread made me totally appreciate Thane in a new way (I always dug him, but only ever experienced him as a squad buddy).

The whole LI thing is based on opinion and its up to Bioware on what happens in ME. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 août 2012 - 01:52 .

[Blueprotoss]

samb wrote...

I do know what I'm talking about and I know you are wrong.  Go and read up on organ failure in Harrison's textbook of internal medicine and get educated you idiot.  If your arguement is an organ transplant won't cure everything (like AIDS) then you are even more of an idiot.  Specific pathologies require specific treatment.  As I have said many times already, transplants do treat what they were meant to treat.  There is no cure all and if your arguement is "transplants cure everything" then you just made a statement that somehow is even dumber.
In case you didn't figure it out, my degree is MD.  As in medical doctor.  Don't take my word for it, read up and realize you are wrong and stop posting.

I could can less if you're a MD or not while transplants don't cure disease.

samb wrote... 

It is frustrating to list textbooks and relate patient experiences as reference to why you are wrong and just have you continue to sprout nonsense.  If you continue to recite your wrong headed ideas what else am I supposed to think other than you as an idiot?  Treatment options are evidence based, you can find them posted online in the respective colleges.  Your posts are simply (misguilded) opinion, not based on gathered data.

Yet I'm not spouting nonsense and I'm not using opinion at all because transplants aren't the disease cure that you think it is.

samb wrote... 

Because getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure you fool.  I have a patient who has lived a normal life on immune suppressants after getting a kidney transplant when she was a kid.  How many patients have you treated with a transplanted organ?

How do you know that getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure because some people can actually accept their death and it doesn't matter what age that person is.

samb wrote...  

Lore was pretty clear as to what Kepral was.  Tissue damage due to moisture, and modeled after cystic fibrosis.  This makes a transplant a vialbe treatment option and an exosuit for prevention.  This is why Thane's death was so nonsensical, especially for anyone with medical knowledge.  Cystic Fibrosis is managable and a transplant is one of the ways to do it.

Yet the lore barely talks about Kepral's Syndrome just like the Drell as a whole.  So its nonsensical to except your death and thinking a cure would magically appear.

samb wrote...  

A more realistic way of protraying his death would be dying while waiting for his new lungs.  Something that happens a bit more than I'd like it to.

Yet people can also except their own deaths without waiting for a transplant.

samb wrote...  

Just let this go.  You are wrong, it has nothing do with winning a forum arguement.  The evidence is against you, stop talking and I'll think you're smart enough to realize that simple fact.

I'm debating here while you're looking for the arguement and the evidence is against you.

[Renmiri1]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

[ start Blueprotoss impersonation ]

Jacob's father has 2 eyes and 2 ears so Jacob is definitely like his father because he is not a one eyed, Van Gog wannabe mutant!

[ end BP Impersonation ]

Insulting people won't help you just like ignoring the facts.  Jacob and his father is proving the old saying of "father like son" is true.

Apologies if I offended you, no insult was intended. :innocent:

I'm actually quite fond of you, this thread owes at least 10 pages to your efforts to teach us your "facts" 

[samb]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I could can less if you're a MD or not while transplants don't cure disease.

Please look up something like on wikipedia.  Here I'll put it here for you: http://en.wikipedia....transplantation
Look up indications and you will see "irreversible tissue damage" as one of the reasons for a liver transplant.  I hate using wiki as a source but since you are too lazy to get a real medical textbook....  What sources do you have for your stance?  None.

Yet I'm not spouting nonsense and I'm not using opinion at all because transplants aren't the disease cure that you think it is.

Give me one journal article, or medical text book that says that.  Because if not you are talking out of your ass.  You don't know ****.  I have my 16th edition Harrion's Internal medicine right next to me and I could give you the pages where it says what liver failure is and when liver transplants are needed.  
Harrison's Principle's of Internal Medicine 16th edition pages 1873-1880 ISBN0071402357
No where does it say it doesn't treat what it was indicated for.  "....liver transplantation is an accepted, lifesaving, operation" two sentences into the text.  Please show me a reference from a source that is not "BlueProtoss' imaingation".

How do you know that getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure because some people can actually accept their death and it doesn't matter what age that person is.

Because I asked them....
And because informed concesnt is needed for any procedure.  They accepted to get the procedure when they asked to be placed on the transplant list.

Yet the lore barely talks about Kepral's Syndrome just like the Drell as a whole.  So its nonsensical to except your death and thinking a cure would magically appear.

Honestly, we can debate this as it is an imaginary disease.  But to base your opinions of Thane and Kepral's on the wrong assumption that transplants don't work is a bad way to base your debate.  What transplants do isn't really debatable.  They save lives.

Yet people can also except their own deaths without waiting for a transplant.

Umm where are you going with this?  Just because medicine can't make you immortal you discount it altogether?

I'm debating here while you're looking for the arguement and the evidence is against you.

Here's the thing; your stance on transplants is just wrong.  There is no debating that.  It's like you insisting 2+2=5.  It isn't up for debate.  You're just wrong.  You say the evidence is against me?  Show me them then.  
If you can't produce something from a reputable source to back up your claim then don't bother posting.  I feel dumber for "debating" with you.  You made me open a book I haven't touched since med school!

Modifié par samb, 19 août 2012 - 02:32 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yet ironically it is you who doesn't understand facts, since cows go moo.

How is that when you're using opinions.

Cows going moo is an opinion now?

[RShara]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I could can less

<3

[LanceSolous13]

How is it that a mod hasn't come in here for this?

It would be more productive to try and convince a full Renegade Shepard to cure the Genophage.



Miranda has had enough of your snide insinuations and your disingenuious assertions.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 19 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[Renmiri1]

I recommend stop engaging him if BlueProtoss gets on your nerves. It's not like you can make him change his mind, no matter what you write.

[LanceSolous13]

Even if we ignore him, He'd just keep posting his insinuations and assertions regardless. : /

[Renmiri1]

Ya but usually his posts are a wall of text so you can go TL;DR on his stuff. Is what I do anyway 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 06:07 .

[Bluecansam]

Blueprotoss wrote...

samb wrote...

I do know what I'm talking about and I know you are wrong.  Go and read up on organ failure in Harrison's textbook of internal medicine and get educated you idiot.  If your arguement is an organ transplant won't cure everything (like AIDS) then you are even more of an idiot.  Specific pathologies require specific treatment.  As I have said many times already, transplants do treat what they were meant to treat.  There is no cure all and if your arguement is "transplants cure everything" then you just made a statement that somehow is even dumber.
In case you didn't figure it out, my degree is MD.  As in medical doctor.  Don't take my word for it, read up and realize you are wrong and stop posting.

I could can less if you're a MD or not while transplants don't cure disease.

samb wrote... 

It is frustrating to list textbooks and relate patient experiences as reference to why you are wrong and just have you continue to sprout nonsense.  If you continue to recite your wrong headed ideas what else am I supposed to think other than you as an idiot?  Treatment options are evidence based, you can find them posted online in the respective colleges.  Your posts are simply (misguilded) opinion, not based on gathered data.

Yet I'm not spouting nonsense and I'm not using opinion at all because transplants aren't the disease cure that you think it is.

samb wrote... 

Because getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure you fool.  I have a patient who has lived a normal life on immune suppressants after getting a kidney transplant when she was a kid.  How many patients have you treated with a transplanted organ?

How do you know that getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure because some people can actually accept their death and it doesn't matter what age that person is.

samb wrote...  

Lore was pretty clear as to what Kepral was.  Tissue damage due to moisture, and modeled after cystic fibrosis.  This makes a transplant a vialbe treatment option and an exosuit for prevention.  This is why Thane's death was so nonsensical, especially for anyone with medical knowledge.  Cystic Fibrosis is managable and a transplant is one of the ways to do it.

Yet the lore barely talks about Kepral's Syndrome just like the Drell as a whole.  So its nonsensical to except your death and thinking a cure would magically appear.

samb wrote...  

A more realistic way of protraying his death would be dying while waiting for his new lungs.  Something that happens a bit more than I'd like it to.

Yet people can also except their own deaths without waiting for a transplant.

samb wrote...  

Just let this go.  You are wrong, it has nothing do with winning a forum arguement.  The evidence is against you, stop talking and I'll think you're smart enough to realize that simple fact.

I'm debating here while you're looking for the arguement and the evidence is against you.

Wow, you're persistent, I'll give you that much. Trying to say you know more about medicine than an MD? Yeesh.

But there's no harm in admitting you're wrong. Even in actual debate (where you're not just going back and forth on what are facts and what are not), you can concede points. So you don't know anything about medicine. That's fine. We can't know everything.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

How is it that a mod hasn't come in here for this?

It would be more productive to try and convince a full Renegade Shepard to cure the Genophage.



Miranda has had enough of your snide insinuations and your disingenuious assertions.

Yet Miranda would disagree with you.

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Even if we ignore him, He'd just keep posting his insinuations and assertions regardless. : /

Pot calling the kettle black especially when this topic itself is an opinion, which contradicts you especially when you're trying to force Bioware to do something based on opinion. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 02:24 .

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yet ironically it is you who doesn't understand facts, since cows go moo.

How is that when you're using opinions.

Cows going moo is an opinion now?

Yet this topic is mostly on opinion.

[Blueprotoss]

samb wrote...

Please look up something like on wikipedia.  Here I'll put it here for you: http://en.wikipedia....transplantation
Look up indications and you will see "irreversible tissue damage" as one of the reasons for a liver transplant.  I hate using wiki as a source but since you are too lazy to get a real medical textbook....  What sources do you have for your stance?  None.

Now I know you don't know what you're talking about when using Wikipedia as a source.

samb wrote... 

Give me one journal article, or medical text book that says that.  Because if not you are talking out of your ass.  You don't know ****.  I have my 16th edition Harrion's Internal medicine right next to me and I could give you the pages where it says what liver failure is and when liver transplants are needed.  
Harrison's Principle's of Internal Medicine 16th edition pages 1873-1880 ISBN0071402357
No where does it say it doesn't treat what it was indicated for.  "....liver transplantation is an accepted, lifesaving, operation" two sentences into the text.  Please show me a reference from a source that is not "BlueProtoss' imaingation".

Medical journals are just doctor opinion and you can get anything published whether you're right or wrong.  Btw you shouldn't make a petty insult when I you most likely haven't got an article in a Medical journal as well, which a very bad way to cause a straw-mann.

How do you know that getting immune suppressants is better than dying of organ failure because some people can actually accept their death and it doesn't matter what age that person is.

Because I asked them....
And because informed concesnt is needed for any procedure.  They accepted to get the procedure when they asked to be placed on the transplant list.

samb wrote... 

Honestly, we can debate this as it is an imaginary disease.  But to base your opinions of Thane and Kepral's on the wrong assumption that transplants don't work is a bad way to base your debate.  What transplants do isn't really debatable.  They save lives.

Yet I haven't used my opinions with you and this is neiher a debate becuase you're trying to cause a meaningless arguement even when transplant don't cure diaseas while they  can ironically cause disease.

samb wrote... 

Umm where are you going with this?  Just because medicine can't make you immortal you discount it altogether?

If you're a MD thent you should have talked to some people that have accepted death or have talked to someone else in the medical field that had that talk. 

samb wrote... 

Here's the thing; your stance on transplants is just wrong.  There is no debating that.  It's like you insisting 2+2=5.  It isn't up for debate.  You're just wrong.  You say the evidence is against me?  Show me them then.  
If you can't produce something from a reputable source to back up your claim then don't bother posting.  I feel dumber for "debating" with you.  You made me open a book I haven't touched since med school!

How is my stance on transplants are wrong when they don't cure disease especially when someone becomes required to get multiple transplants with the same organ in their lives.  You're focusing on opinion not the facts while I'm focusing on the facts not opinion.  I'm hoping you aren't someone's 2nd opinion for a transplant decision.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Yet ironically it is you who doesn't understand facts, since cows go moo.

How is that when you're using opinions.

Cows going moo is an opinion now?

Yet this topic is mostly on opinion.

And we are go for a Hanar poetry slam.
This one feels like a flower.