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[RShara]

samb wrote...

My diagnosis for BlueProtoss: Mental retardation, severe

Treatment options: Risperdal 2mg PO BID, chemical castration, lobotomy. 

signed Dr. Samb

I don't care what medical science says.  You're wrong based on facts.

[samb]

RShara wrote...

samb wrote...

My diagnosis for BlueProtoss: Mental retardation, severe

Treatment options: Risperdal 2mg PO BID, chemical castration, lobotomy. 

signed Dr. Samb

I don't care what medical science says.  You're wrong based on facts.

Stop using your opinions on me.  I use only facts from my imagination to debate you.

I could careless what sources you list because in my mind I have this thing called facts!!!!

[AresKeith]

you should see what he's doing now, its really dumb

[RShara]

*reads*

*laughs f-ing ass off*

[AresKeith]

RShara wrote...

*reads*

*laughs f-ing ass off*

first he says MaleShep is canon, then someone shows him the books that shows there is no canon Shepard and still denies it

/facepalm

[JECW]

AresKeith wrote...

RShara wrote...

*reads*

*laughs f-ing ass off*

first he says MaleShep is canon, then someone shows him the books that shows there is no canon Shepard and still denies it

/facepalm

If that wasn't so sad it might be funny.

[RShara]

You need to read him every single page of the book and then he'll just tell you you're wrong.

Not that he'd ever read them himself. Word of mouth counts as facts!

[Bluecansam]

Ooookay, as hilarious as this derailment is, we'd better get things back on track before the thread does get locked or something. Let's talk Thane!

FACT: At the beginning of ME2, Thane accepts his impending and apparent death.

OPINION (based on strong in-game evidence): At the end of ME2, if friends with Thane, there is the implication that Thane no longer accepts death as he is making friends and reconnecting with his son.

FACT: At the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane explicitly states that he is afraid of dying.

FACT: In ME3, Thane once more accepts his death.

FACT: This attitude is a complete reversal of the outlook he had as a romanced character in ME2.

FACT: Dr. Chakwas said in a medical report that Thane was a viable candidate for a lung transplant.

OPINION (based on logic): Since this report was included in his dossier, one can reasonably conclude that it is accurate.

FACT: Kepral's Syndrome was based on the real disease Cystic Fibrosis.

FACT: Cystic Fibrosis can be successfully managed today with various treatments, including - but not limited to - lung transplantation.

OPINION (based on logic and in-game lore): Kepral's Syndrome should also be treatable using similar methods to those used by sufferers of CF. If the same treatments are not viable, it should be explained somewhere in-game why.

[RShara]

I wouldn't call them opinions. I'd call them logical conclusions. But then, I firmly believe that if 1+2=3, then 2+1=3 as well. Call me weird.

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

Cite one source. Just one.  Provide a screenshot, or a link or a quote.

Here's mine proving that at the end of ME2, Thane did NOT want to die.  By his BIOWARE WRITER.

A person can still feel guilty about deing and at the same time accept death, which soldiers do this all the time.

[Blueprotoss]

HollowSunsets wrote...

I have to ask, what are you even trying to accomplish by doing this? Do you just want to play devil's advocate?
If Bioware decided to implement the choice for a cure, it would be a choice.
 
Simply that. You wouldn't have to cure him if that's what you wanted. You could just pretend it never happened, like many people are already doing for the Extended Cut, for those who don't like it, and for the ME3 endings.

If it's about what you call Thane's self-sacrificing character, it can be made into a scenario where Thane doesn't want to do the treatment in favor of other patients, but if you romanced him, you can persuade him to do the treatment in time to save him. 

The choice is up to Bioware not up to a small group of fans.  If it happens then it happens.

[Blueprotoss]

samb wrote...

My diagnosis for BlueProtoss: Mental retardation, severe

Treatment options: Risperdal 2mg PO BID, chemical castration, lobotomy. 

signed Dr. Samb

Resorting to insults while I'm not surprised that a "doctor" would have an ego problem.

RShara wrote...

I don't care what medical science says.  You're wrong based on facts.

Medical science isn't as accurate as you think even by modern day standards. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 05:45 .

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

FACT: At the beginning of ME2, Thane accepts his impending and apparent death.

True.

Bluecansam wrote... 

OPINION (based on strong in-game evidence): At the end of ME2, if friends with Thane, there is the implication that Thane no longer accepts death as he is making friends and reconnecting with his son.

FACT: At the end of ME2, if romanced, Thane explicitly states that he is afraid of dying.

Thane still accepts death while he has some worries not based on his own life.

Bluecansam wrote... 

FACT: In ME3, Thane once more accepts his death.

True because of what was established about Thane from ME2.

Bluecansam wrote... 

FACT: This attitude is a complete reversal of the outlook he had as a romanced character in ME2.

False.

Bluecansam wrote... 

FACT: Dr. Chakwas said in a medical report that Thane was a viable candidate for a lung transplant.

Plausible because its a friendly favor even when she isn't a Drell biologist, which means she has little knownledge on Kepral's Syndrome.

Bluecansam wrote... 

OPINION (based on logic): Since this report was included in his dossier, one can reasonably conclude that it is accurate.

This is only opinion.

Bluecansam wrote... 

FACT: Kepral's Syndrome was based on the real disease Cystic Fibrosis.

True.

Bluecansam wrote... 

FACT: Cystic Fibrosis can be successfully managed today with various treatments, including - but not limited to - lung transplantation.

Yet the transplant doesn't cure Cystic Fibrosis, which means a lung transplant wouldn't be a cure for Kepral's Syndrome.

Bluecansam wrote... 

OPINION (based on logic and in-game lore): Kepral's Syndrome should also be treatable using similar methods to those used by sufferers of CF. If the same treatments are not viable, it should be explained somewhere in-game why.

This is only opinion even when there are no known ME characters that have expert knownledge on both Drell biology and Kepral's Syndrome.

[RShara]

Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

Cite one source. Just one.  Provide a screenshot, or a link or a quote.

Here's mine proving that at the end of ME2, Thane did NOT want to die.  By his BIOWARE WRITER.

A person can still feel guilty about deing and at the same time accept death, which soldiers do this all the time.

What does guilt have anything to do with it?  He's AFRAID of dying, and ashamed of being AFRAID.  Guilt doesn't have anything to do with it.

The point being, HE DOES NOT ACCEPT DEATH, HE IS AFRAID OF IT.

[samb]

RShara wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

Cite one source. Just one.  Provide a screenshot, or a link or a quote.

Here's mine proving that at the end of ME2, Thane did NOT want to die.  By his BIOWARE WRITER.

A person can still feel guilty about deing and at the same time accept death, which soldiers do this all the time.

What does guilt have anything to do with it?  He's AFRAID of dying, and ashamed of being AFRAID.  Guilt doesn't have anything to do with it.

The point being, HE DOES NOT ACCEPT DEATH, HE IS AFRAID OF IT.

Wow a quote from the word of god. 

Yet again, BlueProtoss cannot provide any source for his supposed "facts". 

[LanceSolous13]

Exactly why I'm suggesting people report him. Though, considering every time he rears his head in a thread he makes really stupid arguments, He's likely been reported a few times at this point.

Another thing to consider,

Why are Jacob and Thane LIs in ME2 if they are not in ME3? I can't help but wonder, What was the point to their romances to end them like this?

[HK-90210]

Blueprotoss wrote...
The choice is up to Bioware not up to a small group of fans.

Blueprotoss, where has anyone in this thread said anything different? We all know that it's Bioware's choice. It's their game, it's their right. But Bioware made their choice, and the people in this thread DISAGREE. So they made a thread to present their arguement. Constantly saying that the fact that Bioware portrayed Thane in ME3 as they did proves this thread's arguement wrong is not adressing the debate one one iota. Hell, it's not even presenting on opinion on the OP at all. If you're going to take part in the discussion here, you're goign to have to adress the arguments presented, not simply say that since it was Bioware's choice, they were automatically right.

I mean, the people in this thread say "We believe that Bioware's portrayal of Thane in ME3 was incorrect.". Saying "Thane's portrayal in ME3 proves that you're wrong." isn't adressing the original agruement. All it is doing is contradicting, without any actual debate. If someone doesn't accept that Thane's portrayal in ME3 was correct, then they will not accept that same portrayal as evidence that they are wrong.

Course, the chances of either side here convincing the other in this debate are about as small as ME2's Jacob cheating on Shepard. If you can't convince a group of your arguments, then the most polite thing to do is simply to agree to disagree, and move along. Or at least provide some new argument, which can then be taken under consideration.
 
But something tells me you already know this, but are choosing to not do so. You know, I don't often pull out the 'T'-word, as I feel that it is too often used by people when they simply disagree with somebody online. And if you truly are not a 'T'-word, then I apologize in advance. But given how often you continue to provide the same exact arguements, which you know haven't worked before, and you can plainly see simply rile people up without particularily good reason, and don't even serve as good debate fodder, I hereby dub your behavior in this particular thread as trollish.

Have a nice day

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 22 août 2012 - 12:29 .

[LanceSolous13]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The choice is up to Bioware not up to a small group of fans.

Blueprotoss, where has anyone in this thread said anything different? We all know that it's Bioware's choice. It's their game, it's their right. But Bioware made their choice, and the people in this thread DISAGREE. So they made a thread to present their arguement. Constantly saying that the fact that Bioware portrayed Thane in ME3 as they did proves this thread's arguement wrong is not adressing the debate one one iota. Hell, it's not even presenting on opinion on the OP at all. If you're going to take part in the discussion here, you're goign to have to adress the arguments presented, not simply say that since it was Bioware's choice, they were automatically right.

I mean, the people in this thread say "We believe that Bioware's portrayal of Thane in ME3 was incorrect.". Saying "Thane's portrayal in ME3 proves that you're wrong." isn't adressing the original agruement. All it is doing is contradicting, without any actual debate. If someone doesn't accept that Thane's portrayal in ME3 was correct, then they will not accept that same portrayal as evidence that they are wrong.

Course, the chances of either side here convincing the other in this debate are about as small as ME2's Jacob cheating on Shepard. If you can't convince a group of your arguments, then the most polite thing to do is simply to agree to disagree, and move along. Or at least provide some new argument, which can then be taken under consideration.
 
But something tells me you already know this, but are choosing to not do so. You know, I don't often pull out the 'T'-word, as I feel that it is too often used by people when they simply disagree with somebody online. And if you truly are not a 'T'-word, then I apologize in advance. But given how often you continue to provide the same exact arguements, which you know haven't worked before, and you can plainly see simply rile people up without particularily good reason, and don't even serve as good debate fodder, I hereby dub your behavior in this particular thread as trollish.

Have a nice day

[HK-90210]

samb wrote...
Wow a quote from the word of god. 

Yet again, BlueProtoss cannot provide any source for his supposed "facts". 

Didn't you know? It's in the Good Book!

Leviticus 28:17 -
And yea, though Thane did walk to Commander Shepard's bed
And yea, he did confess the shame of his fears 
But God did put down his character arc and marked him for death
And all Thanemancers wept, for their sorrow was great
And so it was that Shepard warped to the Citadel

[DineBoo]

Why are Jacob and Thane LIs in ME2 if they are not in ME3? I can't help but wonder, What was the point to their romances to end them like this?

I'm putting the blame on BW/EA wanting ME3 to be a shooter and wanted to pander to guys. Thus femShep's choices got cut and broShep got to keep all his. And if Kaidan wasn't bi and Garrus wasn't such a broski, they might have gotten cut content too.

It's really bad because up unil ME3 everything was pretty much equal. broShep had Liara, Miri,Jack,Tali and could wait for Ash. FemShep had Liara, Garrus, Thane, Jacob and could wait for Kaidan. Pretty much the same, though there were some quibbles about femShep having more aliens and broSheps having humans, but the numbers were constant.

Come ME3 femShep gets her choices gutted. If they were going for realism, the broShep would have gotten cheated on and have people die, but no, he gets to save the one he loves. FemShep can only watch and not let the player have any imput. And the player couldn't get femShep to act angry at being cheated on or sad when someone she loved died.

As a female player, I'm still hurt by this. They got my loyalty for two games, made me a day one player, only for it to be squandered away.

[mythlover20]

DineBoo wrote...

Why are Jacob and Thane LIs in ME2 if they are not in ME3? I can't help but wonder, What was the point to their romances to end them like this?

I'm putting the blame on BW/EA wanting ME3 to be a shooter and wanted to pander to guys. Thus femShep's choices got cut and broShep got to keep all his. And if Kaidan wasn't bi and Garrus wasn't such a broski, they might have gotten cut content too.

It's really bad because up unil ME3 everything was pretty much equal. broShep had Liara, Miri,Jack,Tali and could wait for Ash. FemShep had Liara, Garrus, Thane, Jacob and could wait for Kaidan. Pretty much the same, though there were some quibbles about femShep having more aliens and broSheps having humans, but the numbers were constant.

Come ME3 femShep gets her choices gutted. If they were going for realism, the broShep would have gotten cheated on and have people die, but no, he gets to save the one he loves. FemShep can only watch and not let the player have any imput. And the player couldn't get femShep to act angry at being cheated on or sad when someone she loved died.

As a female player, I'm still hurt by this. They got my loyalty for two games, made me a day one player, only for it to be squandered away.

Agreed. I remember looking forward to Mass Effect 3 with an enthusiasm I had never felt before. I was litterally jumping up and down on the spot when I finally got it in my hands. Then I played it and ever since then I've been disgusted, insulted, and saddened by teh way they constantly treat women. It's no secret that EA is an "old boys club" but BioWare was better than that. Now, they've stopped to EA's level and are trying to imprint upon women that our role is solely as the brainless incubator slaves for men that we were thought of as 200 YEARS AGO!

I can't even read the local gaming magazines, or go on to the websites that I used to frequent, because that impression is being imprinted not only upon us, but the men as well, and I receive nothing but abuse for being a woman.

The gaming industry was supposed to be moving away from that, but no, it's getting stronger, and stronger. They've moved backwards. They went from the stereotypical ridiculously-large-breasted women in skimpy outfits with no brain cells to having a woman that was strong, confident, independent, sexy as all hell, and bloody brilliant. Now they've made her a doormat, constantly internalising the abuse of the men around her because she was a woman so it had to be her fault (major, MAJOR sarcasm)!

Honestly, and people wonder why I'm ashamed to be a member of this species. People as a whole make me sick. Really.

I don't even tell people that I'm a gamer anymore.

[Renmiri1]

Was funny on Twitter, evil Chris (from Bioware) commented all self righteous on a high horse about another gaming company's sexism (the "girlfriend mode" controversy). I tweeted a reply to him about how much ME3 is sexist. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 01:03 .

[Renmiri1]

pics or it didn't happen 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 02:10 .

[Taboo]

Not only is it sexist, it plays into some awful stereotypes.

I don't think a lot of the SS romances are there for gay women. They're there for men. And I think it's awful that Bioware played into that.

But giving you ladies the shaft with Thane? Ridiculous. I would have thought he could have been saved. I guess not. I'd have loved to have him back on the crew.

[Renmiri1]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Not only is it sexist, it plays into some awful stereotypes.

I don't think a lot of the SS romances are there for gay women. They're there for men. And I think it's awful that Bioware played into that.

But giving you ladies the shaft with Thane? Ridiculous. I would have thought he could have been saved. I guess not. I'd have loved to have him back on the crew.

Oh definitely!

MaleShep does not have to apologize for getting a romance in ME2, FemShep has to apologize "for cheating on Kaidan" TWICE. Then FemShep gets cheated on.. and she has no option to punch the SOB Jacob, she has to grovel for a kiss. 

PS: Thanks for the support 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 02:41 .