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[DineBoo]

@Vlk3: I understand, I'm just saying that if you wanted to move on, you couldn't unless you had Kaidan alive.

But it's just maddening that femShep choices boiled down to a lottery pick just because BW couldn't (or wouldn't put any effort into all of her LIs.

@Hyrule_Gal: I wasn't posting at the time but I remeber the defenses against "Ew, Garrus is a bird/lizrd/dinosaur and it was tottally a fling". Meanwhile Tali's was just fine. Drove me nuts.

And I like clairvoyant too. It's better than psychic. I mean, who would have thought, when playing ME1, that femShep players better keep Kaidan alive if they wanted one straight choice available for her in ME3?

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

lol maybe BlueProtoss can handle pictures, since reading is not his strong point

If you did like the facts then you would know that Thane wasn't scrapped in ME3 while a romance without a love scene is still romance even when Paramour doesn't pop up.  If you actually want to talk about scrapped LIs then you should be talking about Samara, Mordin, and Vega then.

Erm. Thane dies. Period. That's scrapping an LI. I understand Samara and Vega, but Mordin? Wut?

[GreyLycanTrope]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Erm. Thane dies. Period. That's scrapping an LI. I understand Samara and Vega, but Mordin? Wut?

Even Samara and Vega aren't really scrapped I'd say. They're just not intrested, they reject the idea of a relationship with Shep, much like Joker. Thane and Jacob both commited to a relationship, Shepard's advances were reciprocated and acted upon. No other LI's were just dropped like that, even if they weren't on the Normandy you can continue a realtionship with Jack, Miranda, and Kelly. They can all die too but that's not it's not garuntee.

[LanceSolous13]

Ehhhhh....It felt like Samara's ME2 scenes were foreshadowing for her gaining LI Status.

And Vega's dialogue feels like he was an LI and Shepard's just locked in with someone else. Like they had him as an LI at somepoint and scrapped him.

Mordin has no LI content at all. No idea where you got that.

[GreyLycanTrope]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Ehhhhh....It felt like Samara's ME2 scenes were foreshadowing for her gaining LI Status.

And Vega's dialogue feels like he was an LI and Shepard's just locked in with someone else. Like they had him as an LI at somepoint and scrapped him.

Mordin has no LI content at all. No idea where you got that.

Guess it depends on how you catagorize it. To me anything that didn't result in some sort of recipriacted action wouldn't count as scrapped just, not a romance that was going o be implemented, but I can see how you might see it differently.

Mordin as a scrapped LI is stupid though, not arguing with that.

[Bluecansam]

Renmiri1 wrote...

lol maybe BlueProtoss can handle pictures, since reading is not his strong point

This won't work either. We've posted video and screenshots straight from the game as evidence, but he's still claiming it's "head canon". I think I'm done replying to him for a while. It's not even a matter of agreeing to disagree. We're not even talking about the same thing most of the time.

[Bluecansam]

I think there's a difference between "scrapped" and "not developed". Samara and Vega seem to be "not developed", as they never had LI status, yet have content that suggests that they might have gone that way had BioWare developed that aspect. Kind of like a dangling carrot. There's the illusion that you'll reach the carrot if you go toward it, but it's really just hanging from a string on a stick.

Thane and Jacob, meanwhile, had full LI status, but were "scrapped" because they no longer have that status in ME3. Can't have a romance without romance content. Cuz that makes them friends or comrades, but certainly not lovers.

[Renmiri1]

I suspect we are not even in the same reality as BlueProtoss.. I just skip most of his posts, what is the point of arguing ? He is in his own little world and is impervious to reason, pictures, videos, etc..

I feel sorry for him, poor guy types his fingers to the bone to convince us heathens of his "facts" that come from thin air... He has not convinced a single person here, and won't yet he never stops... OCD or Aspie I'm betting. I admire his passion at least.

[samb]

I still holding hope that BW will release DLC to remedy the neglect that the ME2 characters suffered. I picture a mission to the Hanar home world (assuming you and Kasumi saved it) to retrieve a cure that was developed in secret.

Maybe it was made in secret because it violated many Coucil laws. Maybe retroviral engineering, nano surgery, genetic engineering etc. I know for a fact that genetic engineering is prohibited, which retroviral falls under that.

[LanceSolous13]

samb wrote...

I still holding hope that BW will release DLC to remedy the neglect that the ME2 characters suffered. I picture a mission to the Hanar home world (assuming you and Kasumi saved it) to retrieve a cure that was developed in secret.

Maybe it was made in secret because it violated many Coucil laws. Maybe retroviral engineering, nano surgery, genetic engineering etc. I know for a fact that genetic engineering is prohibited, which retroviral falls under that.

In one of my outlines of how I think ME3 should have been, The Hanar and Drell were abandoned by the council and they would only team up with the council if a cure was delivered to them for the Drell. Shepard then had to courier it to Kahje, but the Reapers had invaded and Shepard's shuttle crashed and he needed to escape the wilderness with the cure and release it to the population and ete.

[mythlover20]

That would make sense, though my theory was always that there was some prothean/reaper tech involved if something had been developed. It would have helped allow for the drell/hanar MP enemy (I really want to fight a reaperised drell or hanar). Yeah yours makes more sense.

Honestly though it would be a very good business decision for them to fix this. Just like it was with the EC. It would restore some consumer faith in them, reduce the exodus of loyal fans, and while it won't fix the fact that none of us are pre-ordering again, we would be much more likely to buy new again, instead of waiting for a used copy. We would once again be more likely to buy DLC, and more likely to buy any future products.

Honestly, they are bloody stupid if they don't do it. The cost of doing it would be greatly outweighed by the revenue lost if they don't, and the profit gained if they do. Because it's pretty safe to say we would all be willing to pay for it, after all.

[LanceSolous13]

Good lord do I question how they're handeling this.

I'm not sure if they realize that they're on EXTREMELY thin ice right now. There is NO margin of error here. PERIOD.

I would say the best idea is to go with really good fan ideas and what the fans want. That's a great way to fix the bridge burning that happened.

[mythlover20]

Yeah. I'll be honest, I don't want them to do anything, unless they get rid of Hepler. I think we can all agree that Hepler's writing is worse than bat's poo so frankly I would rather not have a Thane DLC than a Thane dlc that was written by him. Judging by what Hepler did to begin with, if HE wrote the Thane DLC it would be even worse.

And, frankly, a lot of fanfic writers are better than Hepler and we (myself included) would write it FOR FREE, so they couldn't claim it would cost to much. There's an option right there!

And you're right Lance. They don't realise it. And they probably won't until they **** this up again, and after the next quarter profits come in, when they find out that they'd actually be LOSING money.

[Blueprotoss]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Erm. Thane dies. Period. That's scrapping an LI. I understand Samara and Vega, but Mordin? Wut?

Thane still did perform the LI role while its subjective if it was fulfilling or not.  Either way those three were actually scrapped as you could make a connection  but not a romance.  Personally I only really cared for Samara as a Li out of those 3.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 août 2012 - 05:11 .

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

This won't work either. We've posted video and screenshots straight from the game as evidence, but he's still claiming it's "head canon". I think I'm done replying to him for a while. It's not even a matter of agreeing to disagree. We're not even talking about the same thing most of the time.

Bioware has control over ME while its what you want is "headcanon" since they don't want to rewrite Thane neither in ME2 nor in ME3.  If you really wnat to do something productive about Thane then why not create a mod instead of insulting people or complaining in general.  Usually when people get angry about something in a game when it come down to content then they either create a mod themselves or ask a modder to create a mod.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 août 2012 - 05:20 .

[HK-90210]

*blissfully ignorant whistles*

So, how about them drell? How do you think the ones that aren't Thane doing? I know they aren't the most populous species, but there's bound to be a few more than just Thane, Kolyat and Feron. Must be nice for them to not be around people presenting the same arguements and complaining about people complaining. I mean, there are the Reapers to deal with, but at least those are easier to kill than willful ignorance.

[Renmiri1]

Indeed!

[samb]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

In one of my outlines of how I think ME3 should have been, The Hanar and Drell were abandoned by the council and they would only team up with the council if a cure was delivered to them for the Drell. Shepard then had to courier it to Kahje, but the Reapers had invaded and Shepard's shuttle crashed and he needed to escape the wilderness with the cure and release it to the population and ete.

Let's combine our ideas then.  First is the need to address why Thane didn't get a transplant.  Simple enough, not enough healthy drell lungs.  The waiting list is 6 years at best, and that is in Kahje, nevermind the Citadel.
You get this mission after you complete the Alien medi-gel mission but before Udina's coup.

Hanar devolped cure in secret but could not make it public since it violated several Council laws against genetic engineering and nano tech.  They put up several requests to the Council to repeal said laws but all have either been rejected or lost in red tape.  Now with Cerberus' research into alien genetics made public, the Hanar hope to "blame" Cerberus for curing Kepral's syndrome with illicit research.  

The Hanar request that Thane return to Kahje for "one last" mission.  He does not feel he can carry out another mission but feels he cannot say no to Haran due to the Compact.  They tell him that they will do nano surgery on him to improve lung function but a real cure to prevent reoccurance would be in the form of a virus.  Since it is to act as a cure it has to be very very contagious and infect every cell and alter DNA (hence retroviral).  The Council, and every known species is very scared of random mutations resulting in cross species infections, which is why the Council has always voted it down.  The Hanar scientist assure you that they stablized the virus and it will only affect drell, but admit that nature has played tricks on them before.

You and Thane arrive at the water world of Kahje.  It should be awesome.  The drell live on domed islands that are connected by tubes.  From orbit it looks like lighted circles connected by glowing lines surrounded by a vast ocean.  You travel underwater to meet the lead Harar scientist.  He tells you that this mission is completely off the books, offically you will be labeled as traitors who "poisoned" the air and water supply, and you will be exiled forever.  You and the crew of the Normandy will be labeled as terrorists in league with Cerberus.  They realize it is unfair, but they feel that is the only way to not only save the drell but also avoid Council sanctions, something they can't afford during this war.  They need you or Thane to act as a courier.  The virus needs to be placed in the air ventilation system while the nano bots be placed in the water supply. 

The spots will be in out of the way places, with few civilians.  You are given an acoltye pistol that will stun guards but stealth and cover will be your best friends.  You will be penalized for killing any drell innocents during this mission.  Mainly a sightseeing mission, as I can only imagine how gorgous Kahje looks.  When the last check point is reached, Thane takes a deep breath (to get the virus into him) and says bye to his home planet.  He was glad he could save his race, even if it meant never returning and being labeled as a terrorist.

After the mission, you and Thane's mugshots will be broadcasted on a hospital TV as terrorists but in the background you see some drell taking off thier breathing masking in relief.  Thane states he still needs to be in the hospital in the Citadel for rehab, but should be able to rejoin the Normandy afterwards (ie after the coup attempt).

The coup attempt will be Thane knocking Leng off the balcony and him being saved by shuttle.  The rest proceed as usual but with Thane as a party member.

[coldwetn0se]

samb wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

In one of my outlines of how I think ME3 should have been, The Hanar and Drell were abandoned by the council and they would only team up with the council if a cure was delivered to them for the Drell. Shepard then had to courier it to Kahje, but the Reapers had invaded and Shepard's shuttle crashed and he needed to escape the wilderness with the cure and release it to the population and ete.

Let's combine our ideas then.  First is the need to address why Thane didn't get a transplant.  Simple enough, not enough healthy drell lungs.  The waiting list is 6 years at best, and that is in Kahje, nevermind the Citadel.
You get this mission after you complete the Alien medi-gel mission but before Udina's coup.

Hanar devolped cure in secret but could not make it public since it violated several Council laws against genetic engineering and nano tech.  They put up several requests to the Council to repeal said laws but all have either been rejected or lost in red tape.  Now with Cerberus' research into alien genetics made public, the Hanar hope to "blame" Cerberus for curing Kepral's syndrome with illicit research.  

The Hanar request that Thane return to Kahje for "one last" mission.  He does not feel he can carry out another mission but feels he cannot say no to Haran due to the Compact.  They tell him that they will do nano surgery on him to improve lung function but a real cure to prevent reoccurance would be in the form of a virus.  Since it is to act as a cure it has to be very very contagious and infect every cell and alter DNA (hence retroviral).  The Council, and every known species is very scared of random mutations resulting in cross species infections, which is why the Council has always voted it down.  The Hanar scientist assure you that they stablized the virus and it will only affect drell, but admit that nature has played tricks on them before.

You and Thane arrive at the water world of Kahje.  It should be awesome.  The drell live on domed islands that are connected by tubes.  From orbit it looks like lighted circles connected by glowing lines surrounded by a vast ocean.  You travel underwater to meet the lead Harar scientist.  He tells you that this mission is completely off the books, offically you will be labeled as traitors who "poisoned" the air and water supply, and you will be exiled forever.  You and the crew of the Normandy will be labeled as terrorists in league with Cerberus.  They realize it is unfair, but they feel that is the only way to not only save the drell but also avoid Council sanctions, something they can't afford during this war.  They need you or Thane to act as a courier.  The virus needs to be placed in the air ventilation system while the nano bots be placed in the water supply. 

The spots will be in out of the way places, with few civilians.  You are given an acoltye pistol that will stun guards but stealth and cover will be your best friends.  You will be penalized for killing any drell innocents during this mission.  Mainly a sightseeing mission, as I can only imagine how gorgous Kahje looks.  When the last check point is reached, Thane takes a deep breath (to get the virus into him) and says bye to his home planet.  He was glad he could save his race, even if it meant never returning and being labeled as a terrorist.

After the mission, you and Thane's mugshots will be broadcasted on a hospital TV as terrorists but in the background you see some drell taking off thier breathing masking in relief.  Thane states he still needs to be in the hospital in the Citadel for rehab, but should be able to rejoin the Normandy afterwards (ie after the coup attempt).

The coup attempt will be Thane knocking Leng off the balcony and him being saved by shuttle.  The rest proceed as usual but with Thane as a party member.

Dr.SamB(eckett??) - Love, love, love your idea! (and yours as well, Lance *squish*)  It would totally fit in to the DLC outline I posted here a while back.  Would love if you took a look at it (yes, yes....shameless self-promoting...disgusting)

This is exactly what makes me shake my head, when others act as if there is no reasonable way for Thane's life to be extended or his Kepral's cured.  It doesn't even have to involve choices that then negate or "renegade" the current storyline we were given (see said DLC outline for example).

[LanceSolous13]

I'm not exactly sure if I understand why Thane and Shepard would be labeled Terrorists and ete. : / Little confused on that.

Also, Wouldn't it be a bit odd for Thane to be a squaddie for, like, 5 seconds of a mission on the Citadel? I think it would be interesting if Shepard orders Thane to protect the Salarian Councilor. Then, if Thane or Kirahee dies, Shepard has to leave a crew member to protect them. The squaddie/Thane won't die, but it'll hinder you in the rest of the level.

[samb]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I'm not exactly sure if I understand why Thane and Shepard would be labeled Terrorists and ete. : / Little confused on that.

Because it fits the story. I needed the cure for Kepral's to not come out of nowhere otherwise it would seem like a "miracle cure". But if it was already made why wasn't it deployed already?  Making the cure illegal due to Council regulations fixes that problem. 
Hanar couldn't just defy the Council so openly so they use Cerberus as an excuse both for the development and deployment.  Officially they blame Shep and Thane but in secret they sanctioned the mission. 

Its easy to see why the council would forbid nano surgery and retroviral engineering. Both can go crazy and replicate or mutate uncontrolably. Look up grey goo to get an idea of this. 

[samb]

@coldwetn0se
I took a look at your proposed DLC and it seems we have some similar ideas. Especially for Zaeed taking over the the Blue Suns. I can just see Zaeed yelling "VIDOOOO!!!!" while Vido grins standing Captain Jack style on his gunship cockpit. Then Zaeed shooting a cobra missile at Vido's gunship.

I had a different direction for Jacob and Kasumi though. It involves a mission on the Crucible. I had a mission for Jack involved with saving her family. Don't want to derail this thread with other characters though.

[LanceSolous13]

samb wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
I'm not exactly sure if I understand why Thane and Shepard would be labeled Terrorists and ete. : / Little confused on that.

Because it fits the story. I needed the cure for Kepral's to not come out of nowhere otherwise it would seem like a "miracle cure". But if it was already made why wasn't it deployed already?  Making the cure illegal due to Council regulations fixes that problem. 
Hanar couldn't just defy the Council so openly so they use Cerberus as an excuse both for the development and deployment.  Officially they blame Shep and Thane but in secret they sanctioned the mission. 

Its easy to see why the council would forbid nano surgery and retroviral engineering. Both can go crazy and replicate or mutate uncontrolably. Look up grey goo to get an idea of this. 

But Shepard is a SPECTRE. Wouldn't it be odd if the Council didn't do anything about their own people breaking rules?

[samb]

LanceSolous13 wrote... 
But Shepard is a SPECTRE. Wouldn't it be odd if the Council didn't do anything about their own people breaking rules?

Not sure I understand you. So the Council would send other Sepctres after him?  I'd like to think this mission would be one of these poorly kept secrets and Shep gets a slap on the wrist. 

Councilors: it appears the only noticeably effect this "poison" you spread is improving Kepral symptoms. Very curious. What do you have to say for yourself?
Shep: the drell deserved that cure. 
Councilors: even if it was developed by (air quotes) "Cerberus"?
Shep: yes I believe so. 
Councilors: well the Hanar haven't filed any formal compliant so I'll just issue a warning. 
Shep: cool beans. Thanks. 

[Bluecansam]

samb wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

In one of my outlines of how I think ME3 should have been, The Hanar and Drell were abandoned by the council and they would only team up with the council if a cure was delivered to them for the Drell. Shepard then had to courier it to Kahje, but the Reapers had invaded and Shepard's shuttle crashed and he needed to escape the wilderness with the cure and release it to the population and ete.

Let's combine our ideas then.  First is the need to address why Thane didn't get a transplant.  Simple enough, not enough healthy drell lungs.  The waiting list is 6 years at best, and that is in Kahje, nevermind the Citadel.
You get this mission after you complete the Alien medi-gel mission but before Udina's coup.

Hanar devolped cure in secret but could not make it public since it violated several Council laws against genetic engineering and nano tech.  They put up several requests to the Council to repeal said laws but all have either been rejected or lost in red tape.  Now with Cerberus' research into alien genetics made public, the Hanar hope to "blame" Cerberus for curing Kepral's syndrome with illicit research.  

The Hanar request that Thane return to Kahje for "one last" mission.  He does not feel he can carry out another mission but feels he cannot say no to Haran due to the Compact.  They tell him that they will do nano surgery on him to improve lung function but a real cure to prevent reoccurance would be in the form of a virus.  Since it is to act as a cure it has to be very very contagious and infect every cell and alter DNA (hence retroviral).  The Council, and every known species is very scared of random mutations resulting in cross species infections, which is why the Council has always voted it down.  The Hanar scientist assure you that they stablized the virus and it will only affect drell, but admit that nature has played tricks on them before.

You and Thane arrive at the water world of Kahje.  It should be awesome.  The drell live on domed islands that are connected by tubes.  From orbit it looks like lighted circles connected by glowing lines surrounded by a vast ocean.  You travel underwater to meet the lead Harar scientist.  He tells you that this mission is completely off the books, offically you will be labeled as traitors who "poisoned" the air and water supply, and you will be exiled forever.  You and the crew of the Normandy will be labeled as terrorists in league with Cerberus.  They realize it is unfair, but they feel that is the only way to not only save the drell but also avoid Council sanctions, something they can't afford during this war.  They need you or Thane to act as a courier.  The virus needs to be placed in the air ventilation system while the nano bots be placed in the water supply. 

The spots will be in out of the way places, with few civilians.  You are given an acoltye pistol that will stun guards but stealth and cover will be your best friends.  You will be penalized for killing any drell innocents during this mission.  Mainly a sightseeing mission, as I can only imagine how gorgous Kahje looks.  When the last check point is reached, Thane takes a deep breath (to get the virus into him) and says bye to his home planet.  He was glad he could save his race, even if it meant never returning and being labeled as a terrorist.

After the mission, you and Thane's mugshots will be broadcasted on a hospital TV as terrorists but in the background you see some drell taking off thier breathing masking in relief.  Thane states he still needs to be in the hospital in the Citadel for rehab, but should be able to rejoin the Normandy afterwards (ie after the coup attempt).

The coup attempt will be Thane knocking Leng off the balcony and him being saved by shuttle.  The rest proceed as usual but with Thane as a party member.

Awesome. Very creative!

I, too, think that missing out on Kahje was a missed opportunity on BioWare's part. All that water, with whole cities of hanar swimming around and lighting up the water while they speak to each other. It'd be amazing.