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[Nube9]

 Samb, damn. That was really well thought out. It was very realistic of how governments actually do work, basically  in very roundabout ways. I guess this is what you get from a doctor + passionate gamer. 

Bravo sir.

Modifié par Nube9, 24 août 2012 - 05:09 .

[samb]

Nube9 wrote...

 Samb, damn. That was really well thought out. It was very realistic of how governments actually do work, basically  in very roundabout ways. I guess this is what you get from a doctor + passionate gamer. 

Bravo sir.

Wow thanks for the great feedback guys!!!
<takes a bow>
I was always shocked that Bioware, which was founded by two doctors, neglected to do the research on Thane and his illness.  They should have known all the speculative science like stem cells and retroviral engineering to know that it was possible (albeit dangerous).

[samb]

Inspirations for Kahje:
Lots of this.

And this but on the ocean.

[Julia_xo]

Samb, I really like your idea and those pictures - wow! Ever since Thane described the Hanar on Kahje I hoped we'd get the chance to visit the planet.

His description:
Thane: Out here, they are. But if you could see them in the Encompassing – The oceans of Kahje – you would see them differently. [A stream of silver in the dark. Looping, diving. So fast the eye can't follow. Laughter, like the squeals of a child vibrates the water. They fly over the black of the sea bed, like birds plumed with the light of heaven.]

And I can totally imagine the domed cities looking something like the picture Samb posted. It has spectacular potential and could be really beautiful.

It makes me sad the game was so rushed. There were so many wasted opportunities, it seems. We didn't even get to see Palaven (just a random moon) and the Turians are a major council race. ME3 could have been so much more if they'd given themselves more time to develop concepts, ideas, story and characterization. The game, as it is, lacks heart and it feels like they just wanted to get it done and over with. Like they no longer cared or had any passion for the franchise, the story or the amazing characters they created.

Samb's idea is really creative and it just goes to show that something more could have been done with Thane's story. It could have been a fun and epic part of the game that did the characters justice. I realize it's a long-shot at this point but I hope they will make DLC that improves on the roles of the ME2 characters - especially Thane. Seeing Kahje would be amazing and there's so much they could do with it if they wanted.

[RShara]

Those images are preeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttty!

[LanceSolous13]

Hmmm....What if we combined the beauty of Overlord's Scenery Porn with LotSB styled cars, but entirely underwater?

Though, It'd have to be really different from Levithan's Underwater levels.

[Renmiri1]

samb you should work for Bioware!

[samb]

Renmiri1 wrote...

samb you should work for Bioware!

Bioware, if you are reading this I give you permission to freely lift this idea from me. I will not ask for compensation, I feel giving me the enjoyment of seeing one of favorite character getting his fair shake is reward enough. 

[Emeraldfern]

@Samb

Your idea? = Me like!

Nice pictures btw. I'm going to shamelessely add this one for additional inspiration:

[samb]

 Moar pics needed!!!

Im imagining walking in an undersea tunnel seeing Hanar floating and glowing with towering buildings in the background. The buildings are craved from the sea floor itself.  Being underwater, they don't have to deal with gravity as much but do have to worry about the tidal currents. This combination leads to a towering "skyline" with each building sleek in design or porous in design to allow the current to bypass them. 

I was trying to find a picture of an aboleth city from Lords of Maddess (yeah I'm a D&D geek too) but couldn't find one online. That would be a good basis, but you know without the eldritch terrors and more lights. 

[Roxy]

These aren't the best but it's what I found online! ^^

Bioshock anyone?






And I agree with the others your idea ROCKS!!! I think BW should read your idea..maybe they will learn something lol! ^^

[AresKeith]

I'm tempted to get Leviathan lol

[Visii]

Since its semi-Kahje related, here's the pic my friend did of Thane- I made her put in the little city-domes in the back on account of what was said in the Codex about the drell living in those kinds of cities.

sempaiko.deviantart.com/gallery/35762170#/d4utwz7

Modifié par Visii, 25 août 2012 - 01:36 .

[Bluecansam]

Visii wrote...

Since its semi-Kahje related, here's the pic my friend did of Thane- I made her put in the little city-domes in the back on account of what was said in the Codex about the drell living in those kinds of cities.

sempaiko.deviantart.com/gallery/35762170#/d4utwz7

Oh, I've seen that picture before. It's gorgeous! <3

[Kogia]

I'm late to this discussion, but I found both Thane and Mordin's deaths really moving and noble for the characters. Not that I wanted either to die and I was really pleased when Grunt surprisingly didn't, but I felt their sad deaths gave the story gravitas.

Modifié par Kogia, 25 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[samb]

Kogia wrote...

I'm late to this discussion, but I found both Thane and Mordin's deaths really moving and noble for the characters. Not that I wanted either to die and I was really pleased when Grunt surprisingly didn't, but I felt their sad deaths gave the story gravitas.

But nobility can be achieved by means other than becoming a martyr. Would you think less of Mordin if Shep had Steve move the shuttle to the Shroud?  
Imagine an awesome cutscene of Mordin resigning to his fate, an explosion knocks him forward.  Suddenly, he hears Shepard "Mordin jump!!!".  Mordin looks up to see Shep on the Normandy shuttle leaning out with his/her arm outstretched.  Mordin blinks and looks back for a split second and jumps out the window with his hand outstretched to meet Shepard's in mid air. The shuttle leaves just as an explosion rocks the shuttle resulting in Shepard being dislodged from shuttle's interior. You see him/her dangling from a sideways shuttle holding on to a safety harness with one hand and Mordin on the other. As Steve straightens the shuttle you pull Mordin on safely and say with a ****sure grin "got you". 

Mordin gets to talk to Wrex and Eve. They say they will name one of their kids after him. Mordin notes that that would make him the kid's godfather in certein cultures, and if they were okay with having a Salarian in that role. Wrex and Eve have no trouble with that, until Mordin mentions wanting to run more tests.  Needles maybe involved. 

Modifié par samb, 25 août 2012 - 06:18 .

[LanceSolous13]

Erm. I think that Mordin's current method of Survival is fine. Its posisble, and there's a choice there. Thane doesn't have it...

[Kogia]

Sorry Samb, but no I'm glad what you wrote didn't happen, too trite, too convenient. If everyone always lives, where is the danger element? Where is the suspense? I felt sad when they died, so it gave the story an extra emotion. Death is part of life, the story of ME pits you against seemingly hopeless odds, it would feel childish and simplistic if everyone lives happily ever after. Sometimes death does add to a story, even if it's to someone you like and wish could live.

I'm still only just at Rannoch and I haven't completed the story yet, I have actually managed to avoid spoilers, so I don't know who is still to live or die. I can honestly say I like all of the Normandy crew and apart from Jacob loved all my old crew, I don't want any of them to die, but because deaths have occurred and the danger we face, I have a fear that none are 'safe', that adds a big level of suspense and when surprise ones do live, like Grunt, it makes it even happier. This is good story telling, I care.

[LanceSolous13]

A good, reasonable, and logical death are also good story telling.

If people are shooting holes in a character's death scene, then they've failed as a writer to tell a good narrative.

Mordin has a good death and isn't complained about because there aren't any issues with it. It follows his character development and there isn't any way around the sinaro he's placed in. Its also emotional and very tear-jerking, espicially with the added punch of "You could have saved him".

Thane's has no choice, doesn't follow his character development path, ignores or changes previously established information on him, and there are several easy ways around the death sinaro he is placed in.

[Renmiri1]

@Kogia - We will be here for you when you reach that turd of an ending.

[samb]

My point is that nobility and death don't have to go hand in hand. If the what I wrote for Mordin did happen in the game, you would not think Mordin was any less noble. The same could be said of Thane, he doesn't HAVE to die for him to be noble.

[Kogia]

Renmiri1 wrote...

@Kogia - We will be here for you when you reach that turd of an ending.

lol, I have heard I may be in need of a good support group, so thanks.

Regarding Thane's death, I thought his story did lead exactly to this point, he said he was dying in ME2, it would have been weird to meet him again and everything be all sorted. It was so moving because like many real deaths, you could do nothing to prevent it. It showed that even our amazing Shepherd couldn't work miracles and save everyone from everything. The tragedy was in our helplessness, we're an inspiring leader, a uniter of peoples and a great hero of battle and yet here was this friend dying of a terribly tragic disease that we held no power over. He saved lives at the end, but his injuries exhasberated his deteriorating condition because of the disease. It felt so tragic and real to me.

The fact that people are picking holes in death scenes does not automatically mean it was bad writing, it could also mean they care so much for character that they just really don't want that character to be dead. Or even worse they could just be crying out like a child that what they wanted didn't happen, the magic fairy tale wasn't true. I'm not directing that at anyone and I'm not saying I am right, you are wrong, these are just how I feel on it.

As for whether they would be noble had they not died, of course, you wouldn't think less of them, but as I said before the story would have lost some of it's dangerous edge. Their deaths were really not so much about them, I know that sounds terrible, but you have to think of what they gave the story as a whole. I would just find the story childlike and trite if all this cast of warriors that you gathered for this crazy dangerous task survived and lived happily ever after, it just wouldn't be as gripping a story.

[o Ventus]

I will never understand people who say that Thane's death was inevitable in ME3, or that his story will only make sense if he dies.

Both of those are patently untrue. There are at least 3 mentions of a cure or treatment in ME2. This, taken with his renewed reason for living, would make anyone who's romanced Thane think there would be an option for his survival.

Thane and Shepard's utter lack of mention to these treatments and cures are what baffles me.

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

I will never understand people who say that Thane's death was inevitable in ME3, or that his story will only make sense if he dies.

Both of those are patently untrue. There are at least 3 mentions of a cure or treatment in ME2. This, taken with his renewed reason for living, would make anyone who's romanced Thane think there would be an option for his survival.

Thane and Shepard's utter lack of mention to these treatments and cures are what baffles me.

Its out right stated in his romance.

Its implied/foreshadowed in a Friendship!Thane.

[Kogia]

o Ventus wrote...

I will never understand people who say that Thane's death was inevitable in ME3, or that his story will only make sense if he dies.

Both of those are patently untrue. There are at least 3 mentions of a cure or treatment in ME2. This, taken with his renewed reason for living, would make anyone who's romanced Thane think there would be an option for his survival.

Thane and Shepard's utter lack of mention to these treatments and cures are what baffles me.

If this was aimed at what I wrote above, I didn't say it was inevitable, the main thrust of my point is that it works for the story as a whole, it adds by displaying loss.