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Why Saving Thane Would Not "Trivialize" or "Cheapen" His Character - An Essay


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thought i'd support some Thane fans



Now, Back to what K.R.O.G.A.N.S. DO BEST


I love that Laugh "heeee heeee heeee"

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Thank you for the support Seifer! Image IPB

I agree I like that laugh from Grunt, I have a friend who laughs like that,it's cool! Image IPB

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47 pages of lol

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LanceSolous13

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xtorma wrote...

47 pages of lol


IKR?

I think he's gone though.

(I've probably jinked it though)

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Bluecansam wrote...

People act like Thane's death is the determining factor in whether ME3 is a happy-go-lucky children's fantasy or a gritty sci-fi war epic, but there's any number of other deaths in the game that Shepard obviously cares about. The kid at the beginning, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Samara, Tali, Jack, EDI, Cortez, Kaidan/Ash, Victus' son, Eve, Anderson, all quarians, all geth... all of these people can or do die throughout the course of the story. I'm probably even forgetting a few. But wanting an OPTION for Thane to live makes us unable to handle sadness or suffering? Wanting a CHOICE to save him means we're living with childish illusions of happy endings? Please.



The writers gave Thane a terminal illness from which it was stated there is no cure. Not a single Drell has ever survived Kepral's Syndrome. The writers than having Thane survive would be like writing a book where one of the characters is dying from AIDS, and at the very end of the book that character survives when a cure for the disease is found. Miraculous @ss pulls do not make for compelling stories.

Also, Thane's terminal illness was not sprung on the player in Mass Effect 3. One of the first things Thane says to Shepard in Mass Effect 2, is "I'm dying." It should have come as a suprise to no one that Thane would die from his disease.

Once the Kepral's Syndrome reveal was dropped there was no where to go with Thane except to have him die at some point from that disease. If it didn't happen in Mass Effect 3, it would happen in the epilogue.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

47 pages of lol


IKR?

I think he's gone though.

(I've probably jinked it though)

Yet its not from me and yo should't fault others when this topic is about opinion.  Ignorance will only produce more ignorance.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .


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Han Shot First wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

People act like Thane's death is the determining factor in whether ME3 is a happy-go-lucky children's fantasy or a gritty sci-fi war epic, but there's any number of other deaths in the game that Shepard obviously cares about. The kid at the beginning, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Samara, Tali, Jack, EDI, Cortez, Kaidan/Ash, Victus' son, Eve, Anderson, all quarians, all geth... all of these people can or do die throughout the course of the story. I'm probably even forgetting a few. But wanting an OPTION for Thane to live makes us unable to handle sadness or suffering? Wanting a CHOICE to save him means we're living with childish illusions of happy endings? Please.



The writers gave Thane a terminal illness from which it was stated there is no cure. Not a single Drell has ever survived Kepral's Syndrome. The writers than having Thane survive would be like writing a book where one of the characters is dying from AIDS, and at the very end of the book that character survives when a cure for the disease is found. Miraculous @ss pulls do not make for compelling stories.

Also, Thane's terminal illness was not sprung on the player in Mass Effect 3. One of the first things Thane says to Shepard in Mass Effect 2, is "I'm dying." It should have come as a suprise to no one that Thane would die from his disease.

Once the Kepral's Syndrome reveal was dropped there was no where to go with Thane except to have him die at some point from that disease. If it didn't happen in Mass Effect 3, it would happen in the epilogue.

It seems like some people do forget the obvious and the AIDS example just reminded me of the movie Philadelphia.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:00 .


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Blueprotoss wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

People act like Thane's death is the determining factor in whether ME3 is a happy-go-lucky children's fantasy or a gritty sci-fi war epic, but there's any number of other deaths in the game that Shepard obviously cares about. The kid at the beginning, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Samara, Tali, Jack, EDI, Cortez, Kaidan/Ash, Victus' son, Eve, Anderson, all quarians, all geth... all of these people can or do die throughout the course of the story. I'm probably even forgetting a few. But wanting an OPTION for Thane to live makes us unable to handle sadness or suffering? Wanting a CHOICE to save him means we're living with childish illusions of happy endings? Please.



The writers gave Thane a terminal illness from which it was stated there is no cure. Not a single Drell has ever survived Kepral's Syndrome. The writers than having Thane survive would be like writing a book where one of the characters is dying from AIDS, and at the very end of the book that character survives when a cure for the disease is found. Miraculous @ss pulls do not make for compelling stories.

Also, Thane's terminal illness was not sprung on the player in Mass Effect 3. One of the first things Thane says to Shepard in Mass Effect 2, is "I'm dying." It should have come as a suprise to no one that Thane would die from his disease.

Once the Kepral's Syndrome reveal was dropped there was no where to go with Thane except to have him die at some point from that disease. If it didn't happen in Mass Effect 3, it would happen in the epilogue.

It seems like some people do forget the obvious and the AIDS example just reminded me of the movie Philadelphia.


How about the Tony Kushner play Angels in America???. Go watch the mini series, you might learn something. Treatments for AIDS are available and when administered make it a chronic condition... guess what guys, there are people working the world over to develop new treatments for conditions all the time medicine is not static!!!

and Han Shot First,  it was stated that he was a viable transplant candidate and while the transplant would prolong a drells life it was not a cure.  This very important bit of lore was never explored, and at the very least it should have been, that shepard could not ask him about it was unforgiveable.

Modifié par wildannie, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:22 .


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Lance you jinxed the thread! lol!

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Don't you have to use fire to kill trolls? I think I played a game like that once. LOL

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Roxy wrote...

Lance you jinxed the thread! lol!


*has been lynched by Thane fans everywhere*

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Roxy wrote...

Lance you jinxed the thread! lol!


*has been lynched by Thane fans everywhere*

BOOOOOOO!  I want a choice to save you!

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Roxy wrote...

Lance you jinxed the thread! lol!


*has been lynched by Thane fans everywhere*


Lynched by us? Never! Image IPB

I just had this gut feeling he was gonna show up sooner or later after you said that though lol! Image IPB

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wildannie wrote...

How about the Tony Kushner play Angels in America???. Go watch the mini series, you might learn something. Treatments for AIDS are available and when administered make it a chronic condition... guess what guys, there are people working the world over to develop new treatments for conditions all the time medicine is not static!!!

AIDS is managable not curable unless if you're Magic Johnson hence why I mentioned the movie Philadelphia and Rent could even be mentioned.

wildannie wrote... 

and Han Shot First,  it was stated that he was a viable transplant candidate and while the transplant would prolong a drells life it was not a cure.  This very important bit of lore was never explored, and at the very least it should have been, that shepard could not ask him about it was unforgiveable.

Doesn't matter if he's aviable candidate even when a lung transplant done on a drell isn't known and Thane wold need a miracle even in ME3 to be cured.  Recommendations are done all the time in medicine especially when things are experimental like how Drell treament in general is because of the sheer lack of knowledge on their biology like the Hanar.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:17 .


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Blueprotoss wrote...

wildannie wrote...

How about the Tony Kushner play Angels in America???. Go watch the mini series, you might learn something. Treatments for AIDS are available and when administered make it a chronic condition... guess what guys, there are people working the world over to develop new treatments for conditions all the time medicine is not static!!!

AIDS is managable not curable unless if you're Magic Johnson hence why I mentioned the movie Philadelphia and Rent could even be mentioned.

wildannie wrote... 

and Han Shot First,  it was stated that he was a viable transplant candidate and while the transplant would prolong a drells life it was not a cure.  This very important bit of lore was never explored, and at the very least it should have been, that shepard could not ask him about it was unforgiveable.

Doesn't matter if he's aviable candidate even when a lung transplant done on a drell isn't known and Thane wold need a miracle even in ME3 to be cured.  Recommendations are done all the time in medicine especially when things are experimental like how Drell treament in general is because of the sheer lack of knowledge on their biology like the Hanar.


You know nothing.

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LanceSolous13

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wildannie wrote...

You know nothing.


Its not at all like we don't have 46 pages of the same result. /sarcasm

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mnomaha wrote...

Don't you have to use fire to kill trolls? I think I played a game like that once. LOL


Acid works too.

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I love how everyone is saying Thane should die when all the Thane romancers want is an option to prolong his life. You know, like a choice to save him. Kinda what this entire series has promised us, choices. But ME3 did shove those choices out the window in the end. He was treated horribly in ME3 by the writers and Thane romancers deserved a better time with him. You want Thane to die to keep your story realistic (space magic lulz)? You can choose to have him die. But at least give us the ****ing option to prolong his life/save him if we want too dammit.

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DoomNation wrote...

I love how everyone is saying Thane should die when all the Thane romancers want is an option to prolong his life. You know, like a choice to save him. Kinda what this entire series has promised us, choices. But ME3 did shove those choices out the window in the end. He was treated horribly in ME3 by the writers and Thane romancers deserved a better time with him. You want Thane to die to keep your story realistic (space magic lulz)? You can choose to have him die. But at least give us the ****ing option to prolong his life/save him if we want too dammit.


My thoughts exactly!

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Roxy wrote...

DoomNation wrote...

I love how everyone is saying Thane should die when all the Thane romancers want is an option to prolong his life. You know, like a choice to save him. Kinda what this entire series has promised us, choices. But ME3 did shove those choices out the window in the end. He was treated horribly in ME3 by the writers and Thane romancers deserved a better time with him. You want Thane to die to keep your story realistic (space magic lulz)? You can choose to have him die. But at least give us the ****ing option to prolong his life/save him if we want too dammit.


My thoughts exactly!

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Very well posted...as Roxy said, nice to read such thoughts.Image IPB

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wildannie wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

wildannie wrote...

How about the Tony Kushner play Angels in America???. Go watch the mini series, you might learn something. Treatments for AIDS are available and when administered make it a chronic condition... guess what guys, there are people working the world over to develop new treatments for conditions all the time medicine is not static!!!

AIDS is managable not curable unless if you're Magic Johnson hence why I mentioned the movie Philadelphia and Rent could even be mentioned.

wildannie wrote... 

and Han Shot First,  it was stated that he was a viable transplant candidate and while the transplant would prolong a drells life it was not a cure.  This very important bit of lore was never explored, and at the very least it should have been, that shepard could not ask him about it was unforgiveable.

Doesn't matter if he's aviable candidate even when a lung transplant done on a drell isn't known and Thane wold need a miracle even in ME3 to be cured.  Recommendations are done all the time in medicine especially when things are experimental like how Drell treament in general is because of the sheer lack of knowledge on their biology like the Hanar.


You know nothing.

If that was true then Thane wouldn't have died.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

You know nothing.


Its not at all like we don't have 46 pages of the same result. /sarcasm

Again if that was true then Thane wouldn't have died.

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DoomNation wrote...

I love how everyone is saying Thane should die when all the Thane romancers want is an option to prolong his life. You know, like a choice to save him. Kinda what this entire series has promised us, choices. But ME3 did shove those choices out the window in the end. He was treated horribly in ME3 by the writers and Thane romancers deserved a better time with him. You want Thane to die to keep your story realistic (space magic lulz)? You can choose to have him die. But at least give us the ****ing option to prolong his life/save him if we want too dammit.

Actually ME3 had around the same amont of choices in ME2 and their has always been story centered around each of the ME games.  The facts are that Bioware decided what should happen and they showed us that Kepral's Syndrome currently has no cure, which a cure in ME3 with the huge lack of information in ME2 would have to be a miracle like the Lazarus Project.  To be fair if there's a ressurrection of Thane then every squadmate that could die could comeback.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

If that was true then Thane wouldn't have died.

 


Blueprotoss wrote...

Again if that was true then Thane wouldn't have died.


Neither of these are arguments, they are one sided logical fallacies you're using to justify your viewpoint. Non-sequitors are not the way to convince anyone here.

Why are you bothering these ladies and the occasional guy?

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curing thane would set in a string a events that would require the entire game to be changed, Shepard cures thane, he stays on the citadel to protect the virmire survivor as he promised, Cerberus coup on the citadel, thane being cured he would have been able to kick kai leng's ass meaning that would be the end of him, with kai leng being dead he wouldn't be there on thessia to stop you from getting the prothean vi, which would mean there would be no need for the horizon and kronos station missions as Shepard would learn that the catalyst is the citadel, go straight there, so he wouldn't meet Miranda on horizon and thus she dies, with the illusive man never getting the prothean vi, the reapers would never move the citadel to earth, so priority earth and the unification of the fleets would never happen, thus the whole point of getting allies to retake earth would have been for nothing. just my opinion on why we cant cure thane