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[wildannie]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...


I tend to agree that it would have been good if Shepard could convince Thane to get treatment if the correct requirements were met (in a similar way to how Miranda's fate is decided). He probably would have said no to my Shep since she'd got back together with Liara, but that would be cool because then I'd feel like my choices had made a difference (I'm always for choices having consequences, something that was lacking in certain parts of ME3).

I completely agree, that would have been my ideal... my signature might not suggest it but if there had been a choice I'd have been more than happy to lose Thane in some playthroughs, it's the fact that it is unavoidable that I can't handle.

As for Jacob, personally I agree, I really didn't care for the character and only found a shep befriend him a couple of times, but there were those who did gel with him and they had kept the jacob thread alive since ME2. Sadly, after what happened, I think they have largely abandoned the forums and probably ME3 and BW and although they were very much the minority it does sadden me that they were discarded. I think I feel it more keenly because my favourite character was discarded too, and even though it is clear Thane is a more popular character than Jacob the end result is largely the same, we both lost our LIs, our Shepards, and our favourite game franchise.

[Blueprotoss]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Set in stone doesn't mean what you think it means..

For starters, game dialog and game lore are what set things "in stone" or leave it open. Your headcanon does not

I see you don't understand whats cannon especially when you look at the predetermined choices like if you didn't import a Shepard for ME3.  Canon is decided by the IP owner not by the player and next time don't insult someone when you aren't going to win.

[o Ventus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Thane wasn't scrapped as a LI. Stop making things up.

1 conversation before death, no paramour, total retcon of mindset from the previous game, and canon death.

Yeah, not scrapped at all.

Modifié par o Ventus, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

Steel Dancer wrote...

Nope, he wasn't looking for death, he was prepared for death. Significant difference. And that state of affairs changes if he's romanced.

Most assassins look for death based on they're searching for their targets.  Looking for death can be another term for accepting death a based on how death is everything.  Whether or not you romanced Thane, he looking for death or prepared for death.

Steel Dancer wrote... 

Again no. Thane was a good chracter in ME2. IN 3 he was reduced to a walking illness, nothing more, which is a rather damning trivialisation of both Thanes' character and terminal illness in general.

And as for all this "Thane had to have died, he was terminal" rubbish, answer me this: why does that mean he has to die during the course of the game?

Just think about that for a moment: Shepard can be saving the galaxy, hundreds of lives but not the one person they really want to*. Imagine how that would have altered the character and the players perspective on that: Synthesis really could cure him, Control lets Shepard use resources as they see fit (asuming they'd still care about love) while Destroy might almost certainly doom Thane, with medical resources stretched beyond breaking point. Now there's Bittersweet for you (apologies if I'm stepping on anyone's artistic integrity there...).

Another thing about that fight: It's insulting. Not just to Thane, but to Shepard and the squad too.

It says that Anyone who was there was only too happy or  - worse than that - unable to help in that fight in any way. Let's look at that: Garrus - crack shot sniper, one of the best around; Liara - powerful biotic; Javik - another powerful biotic; EDI - computer assisted reflexes and targetting; Vega - damn tough bull in a china shop. Oh and Shepard, of course, who can be any of that and more. 

Do not tell me that not one of those people wouldn't have gone for KL using something, warp, stasis, overload/incinerate or weapons fire at suspected locations... just something dammit! 

*and don't say that's what happened, because it isn't - I saw none of that in the game on the Thane romance scenes I've seen in any way at all.

It seems like you expected way too much from the ME2 squadmates in ME3 just like how some people expected more from Ashley, Kaidan, or Liara in ME2.  Either way most of the ME2 characters got a good treatment like Thane, Grunt, Miranda, and Mordin while thats a fact.  I could careless if you're a Thane fan because everyone has their own favorite squadmates ad LIs that don't invole him.  Btw I never said I romanced Thane while he was close friends with him just like everyone that was at one time on the Normandy other then Liaria.

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Thane wasn't scrapped as a LI. Stop making things up.

1 conversation before death, no paramour, total retcon of mindset from the previous game, and canon death.

Yeah, not scrapped at all.

A scrapped LI would be Mordin, Samara, or Vega.

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Thane wasn't scrapped as a LI. Stop making things up.

1 conversation before death, no paramour, total retcon of mindset from the previous game, and canon death.

Yeah, not scrapped at all.

A scrapped LI would be Mordin, Samara, or Vega.

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Mordin, Samara, and Vega weren't romances in the first place.

Congratulations invalidating your own argument.

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

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Mordin, Samara, and Vega weren't romances in the first place.

Congratulations invalidating your own argument.

Yet all 3 of them were originally planned then scrapped as LIs while Samara is the prime example.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:09 .

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

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Mordin, Samara, and Vega weren't romances in the first place.

Congratulations invalidating your own argument.

Yet all 3 of them were originally planned then scrapped as LIs while Samara is the prime example.

Way to miss the original point. Planning a character to be a romance, but then rescinding that stance BEFORE THE GAME COMES OUT is different than actually making a character into a romance, then stripping away that romance continuation in the FOLLOWING GAME.

I asked you this in another thread, which you so conveniently never answered. Do you always change the topic when debating things with people, or only when it suits you?

[Emeraldfern]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most assassins look for death based on they're searching for their targets.  Looking for death can be another term for accepting death a based on how death is everything.  Whether or not you romanced Thane, he looking for death or prepared for death.

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Looking for death?
Again, that's not what my Shepard who romanced him saw because of this:

From the final romance scene in ME2:

 
and this exercept from his letter in LoTSB:

"I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. "

 

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:17 .

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

Way to miss the original point. Planning a character to be a romance, but then rescinding that stance BEFORE THE GAME COMES OUT is different than actually making a character into a romance, then stripping away that romance continuation in the FOLLOWING GAME.

I asked you this in another thread, which you so conveniently never answered. Do you always change the topic when debating things with people, or only when it suits you?

I always answer while I see you're changing the subject based on how you act as if Thane was scrapped while Samara, Mordin, and Vega were actually scrapped as LIs.  You should have some consistancing instead of changing something to what you want.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:22 .

[Blueprotoss]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most assassins look for death based on they're searching for their targets.  Looking for death can be another term for accepting death a based on how death is everything.  Whether or not you romanced Thane, he looking for death or prepared for death.

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Looking for death?
Again, that's not what my Shepard who romanced him saw because of this:

From the final romance scene in ME2:

 
and this exercept from his letter in LoTSB:

"I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. 

Yet this actally supports that Thane is ready to die and I still could careless if you romanced Thane based on your way or the highway mentality.  Btw complaining about semantics is overrated and meaningless.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:26 .

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Way to miss the original point. Planning a character to be a romance, but then rescinding that stance BEFORE THE GAME COMES OUT is different than actually making a character into a romance, then stripping away that romance continuation in the FOLLOWING GAME.

I asked you this in another thread, which you so conveniently never answered. Do you always change the topic when debating things with people, or only when it suits you?

I always answer while I see you're changing the subject based on how you act as if Thane was scrapped while Samara, Mordin, and Vega were actually scrapped as LIs.  You should have some consistancing instead of changing something to what you want.

Changing the topic. You're doing it.

This went from a talk about Thane, to you insulting me.

But then again, you're a troll, so I really don't know why I expected anything else.

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

Changing the topic. You're doing it.

This went from a talk about Thane, to you insulting me.

But then again, you're a troll, so I really don't know why I expected anything else.

I love the irony here based on how you changed the topic based on Thane being "scrapped" as a LI when he wasn't then you cry wolf by using the word "troll", which you still don't know the meaning of it.  If you really have nothing constructive or on topic to say then just move on.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:38 .

[RShara]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most assassins look for death based on they're searching for their targets.  Looking for death can be another term for accepting death a based on how death is everything.  Whether or not you romanced Thane, he looking for death or prepared for death.

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Looking for death?
Again, that's not what my Shepard who romanced him saw because of this:

From the final romance scene in ME2:

 
and this exercept from his letter in LoTSB:

"I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted to him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. 

Yet this actally supports that Thane is ready to die and I still could careless if you romanced Thane based on your way or the highway mentality.  Btw complaining about semantics is overrated and meaningless.

It boggles me how saying he's afraid of death, and how he's no longer asleep, and no longer accepts his fate means that he's ready to die........

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Changing the topic. You're doing it.

This went from a talk about Thane, to you insulting me.

But then again, you're a troll, so I really don't know why I expected anything else.

I love the irony here based on how you changed the topic based on Thane being "scrapped" as a LI when he wasn't then you cry wolf by using the word "troll", which you still don't know the meaning of it.  If you really have nothing constructive or on topic to say then just move on.

1. I didn't change the topic. I didn't think reading was hard.

2. Thane was scrapped as a romance. I've already explained why.

3. No, you're a troll. Not only here, but in damn near every thread you post in. If you aren't a troll, then you're an idiot.

[Emeraldfern]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet this actally supports that Thane is ready to die and I still could careless if you romanced Thane based on your way or the highway mentality.  Btw complaining about semantics is overrated and meaningless.

"The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard."

How does the above actually state he is ready to die?
He specificly states that his resolve to meet his demise early, "vanished".

These are direct quotes from the game, not something out of thin air. And indeed that is what I base my view on, and so far, I have yet to see you using any quote, or exercept from the game to substantiate your view.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:45 .

[o Ventus]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet this actally supports that Thane is ready to die and I still could careless if you romanced Thane based on your way or the highway mentality.  Btw complaining about semantics is overrated and meaningless.

"The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard."

How does the above actually state he is ready to die?
He specificly states that his resolve to meet his demise early, "vanished".

These are direct quotes from the game, not something out of thin air. And indeed that is what I base my view on, and so far, I have yet to see you using any quote, or exercept from the game to substantiate your view.

Don't overthink it, he won't produce anything.

[Bluecansam]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet this actally supports that Thane is ready to die and I still could careless if you romanced Thane based on your way or the highway mentality.  Btw complaining about semantics is overrated and meaningless.

You "could careless"? So, you do care! :innocent:

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

@Blue: Honestly yeah I felt it had horrible implications to. The ONLY male LI of color...and he's the only one who cheats and has baby momma drama? Really?

I gagged.

Wait, isn't Kaidan... um, well, I don't really know what ethnicity Kaidan is, but he didn't seem white, as such. Some variety of Eurasian, but definitely not WASP.

Eh fine. He's not dark looking let's leave it at that.

[LanceSolous13]

You're also forgetting Steve Cortez....And the Quarains could potentially have darker skin but I suppose this is talking about humans only?

[Blueprotoss]

RShara wrote...

It boggles me how saying he's afraid of death, and how he's no longer asleep, and no longer accepts his fate means that he's ready to die........

Yet the only mind boggling here is that some people forget that everyone can die and Thane accepts his mortality with his fatal terminal illness.  Its time to move on.

o Ventus wrote...

1. I didn't change the topic. I didn't think reading was hard.

2. Thane was scrapped as a romance. I've already explained why.

3. No, you're a troll. Not only here, but in damn near every thread you post in. If you aren't a troll, then you're an idiot.

I see that you'll never change based on you resorting insults to usually change the subject.  If Thane was a scrapped LI then you wouldn't have a romance with him in ME2 unlike Mordin and Samara or Vega in ME3.  You still don't know the defiition of the word "troll" even when I'm doing the opposite of the word's meaning. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:42 .

[Ryzaki]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

You're also forgetting Steve Cortez....And the Quarains could potentially have darker skin but I suppose this is talking about humans only?

Ah true enough. Steve doesn't really have any opportunity to cheat on Shepard though [not to mention being s/s exclusive I don't think BW would want to open that can of worms they're not that genre blind apparently] (neither does Traynor).

But honestly of all the LIs and all of the time they could've spent apart from Shepard...and only Jacob cheats? And gets a woman preganant? And is too much of a pathetic deadbeat to even do so much as give Shep a call/arrange a meeting? Seriously?

Sorry but to me horrible horrible implications. Just utterly horrible and disgusting.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[LanceSolous13]

Blueprotoss wrote...

RShara wrote...

It boggles me how saying he's afraid of death, and how he's no longer asleep, and no longer accepts his fate means that he's ready to die........

Yet the only mind boggling here is that some people forget that everyone can die and Thane accepts his mortality with his fatal terminal illness.  Its time to move on.

Except, HE DIDN'T. By the end of ME2, He doesn't want to die. It is a big writing no-no to ignore character development. AND WE'VE PROVED THAT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES NOW.

Go back to your bridge troll.

[LanceSolous13]

Ryzaki wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

You're also forgetting Steve Cortez....And the Quarains could potentially have darker skin but I suppose this is talking about humans only?

Ah true enough. Steve doesn't really have any opportunity to cheat on Shepard though [not to mention being s/s exclusive I don't think BW would want to open that can of worms] (neither does Traynor).

Oopse. I forgot Traynor too. *facepalm*

[mythlover20]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Opinions are subjective just like how I could careless about Jacob and you wanted more from Thane.

You really need to start paying attention to what you type, dear. Even if your insults were valid arguments (they're not. You must really be having diffulties in school if you actually think that they are) every single one of them is being rebutted by your own poor use of English grammer.

Case and point: "I could careless."

The correct phrase is: "I couldn't care less." The statement means that it would be impossible for any sentimental attachment you felt towards a given topic/object to be reduced any further.

"Careless" means acting without care, as in "His treatment of his possessions was rather careless." Further synonyms in this context would be "acting irresponsibly," "not paying attention to your actions" or "acting with disregard" . Which is what you're doing when you type. Not disregard to us who disagree with you; disregard to yourself and whatever point it is you're trying to make.

If you are going to insult people, please at least do so intelligibly. Thank you.

PS I am a writer and editor. If I know anything, it is English (with Australian grammer for you Americans, though I usually disregard it when posting).

Thank you for your time.

Modifié par mythlover20, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .