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[Brodoteau]

A lot of people on these forums want the Origins to come back especially with the added feature of playing a different race other than human.  Whenever this is brought up someone inevitably will mention that Origins are not possible with the a fully voiced character.  It becomes the mulitiplication factor: Say you offer a dwarf, a human and an elf, than you need six voices and that (apparently) is too costly. 
So to the people that want multiple origins, I pose this question:  Which is more important:  That fact that you get to play as a particular race or that fact that you get to choose your gender?
Think of a character creation screen that has many options but they are limited to just one gender:  So you can play a dwarf but you can only play a male (in whatever class you want).  You can play an elf but she can only be female. This presuambly would cut down on the burden of multiple VA but it would somewhat limit player choice.   
Would people be happy with this?  Or is gender more important than multiple races? 

(Again, I am not saying that Bioware do this, I just am wondering whether gender trumps race or vice versa in terms of importance to people)

Modifié par Brodoteau, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .

[Direwolf0294]

For me being able to pick your race would be worthless if you couldn't pick your gender. I still don't see why we can't have both and a fully voiced PC though. You could still only have two VA's (one for male, one for female) and easily come up with a reason for an elf sounding like a human. It all comes down to what the origin stories are. Playing as an Orlaisian city elf who has the same French accent as an Orlaisian human makes sense. Playing as a dwarf merchant who's spent most of their life on the surface traveling Orlais and who has an Orlaisian accent makes sense.

BioWare did shoot themselves in the foot a bit when making the Dalish have those Irish/Welsh accents because it means playing a Dalish elf would be harder to implement but they could easily just say that it was only that particular clan who had those accents and the Dalish clan your character is with has French accents because they've spent a lot of time in Orlais. Or they could just retcon the elves again, which I'm actually hoping they do with at least their appearance because they looked stupid in DA2.

[LolaLei]

Ooo tough one. I'd be a bit gutted if I couldn't pick my gender... But I guess I could make a very effeminate male character, or an overly masculine female character to compensate, depending on what gender we're restricted to.

... Heh, that reminded me of my Saints Row: The Third character - a tall busty blonde woman with a male cockney accent LOL.

[labargegrrrl]

you know, i'll be the first person to say that they need to bring race option back. without the pathetic excuses about voice acting and framed naratives that they could have worked around if they'd actually wanted to badly enough, thank you very much.

but if they have to sacrifice something on the altar of corperate appeasment, i'd slaughter race over gender in a heartbeat. i wouldn't have played EITHER game if forced to play as male.

[Reznore57]

I'd go for gender.
But i rarely play others races even on other games.
And playing a guy is usually a pain ...
Races and man pc is something I leave on the side for multiple playthrough

[AstraDrakkar]

Being able to choose my gender is an absolute must for me. I couldn't finish The Witcher simply because I had to play a male which I am unable to identify with.

[test for echo]

If I absolutely had to choose, I would take gender over race.

Playing exclusively as a human in DAII didn't bother me at all, really. The majority of my characters in DA:O were human; I only tried out the different races to see their different origin stories. In my opinion, the impact the origins had on the main story line were insignificant. Aside from a few mentions of it here and there, the only real difference between playing as an human, elf, or dwarf was the body model.

While it certainly was interesting getting some insight into the different cultures and races, I think that whole aspect of the game is better left to Origins. It was called Origins for a reason, after all. I'd sacrifice the option to play as a elf or dwarf if it meant the human PC had a richer, more engaging backstory or what have you.

[Daerog]

I would choose race if I had to choose, but only if it changed how people reacted to you. If not, then I don't care either way. Gender doesn't change the game as much as race.

[Chipaway111]

test for echo wrote...

If I absolutely had to choose, I would take gender over race.

Playing exclusively as a human in DAII didn't bother me at all, really. The majority of my characters in DA:O were human; I only tried out the different races to see their different origin stories. In my opinion, the impact the origins had on the main story line were insignificant. Aside from a few mentions of it here and there, the only real difference between playing as an human, elf, or dwarf was the body model.

While it certainly was interesting getting some insight into the different cultures and races, I think that whole aspect of the game is better left to Origins. It was called Origins for a reason, after all. I'd sacrifice the option to play as a elf or dwarf if it meant the human PC had a richer, more engaging backstory or what have you.

As much as I'd love to have race options back, I have to agree with you. It doesn't seem like a viable option anymore given all the voice actors you'd need to cover the races. Dalish being a prime example. I'd pick gender everytime, maybe instead of race we could have an array of backgrounds to chose from insteand?

Just a thought.

[Zubie]

I would go for race as I don't care which gender I play.

[Zubie]

test for echo wrote...

 I'd sacrifice the option to play as a elf or dwarf if it meant the human PC had a richer, more engaging backstory or what have you.

Yet all of the Wardens from the different origins had a more engaging backstory than Hawke, who err...hardly had one at all.

[DarthChicken]

As long as the PC has an interesting backstory and has an interesting personality throughout the game, I don't care whether I can pick race OR gender. Although, I can absolutely see why that is make-or-break for someone.

[Absafraginlootly]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

For me being able to pick your race would be worthless if you couldn't pick your gender. I still don't see why we can't have both and a fully voiced PC though. You could still only have two VA's (one for male, one for female) and easily come up with a reason for an elf sounding like a human. It all comes down to what the origin stories are. Playing as an Orlaisian city elf who has the same French accent as an Orlaisian human makes sense. Playing as a dwarf merchant who's spent most of their life on the surface traveling Orlais and who has an Orlaisian accent makes sense.

BioWare did shoot themselves in the foot a bit when making the Dalish have those Irish/Welsh accents because it means playing a Dalish elf would be harder to implement but they could easily just say that it was only that particular clan who had those accents and the Dalish clan your character is with has French accents because they've spent a lot of time in Orlais.  *snip*

This ^

Plus even if they didn't have races they could still have origins, similarly if there was a single origin they could still have races, and in either case you wouldn't really need more than 1 female and male voice actor if you put some thought into it.

[Brodoteau]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I would choose race if I had to choose, but only if it changed how people reacted to you. If not, then I don't care either way. Gender doesn't change the game as much as race.

This is a good point about the reactions of people, but I think Bioware wants it to be this way.  Maybe choosing to be a male or female should provoke different kinds of reactions?  

It seems most people would want to keep the gender option but would it matter if that gender was only assigned to one particular class.
I'm thinking of the first two Diablo games where you could play a warrior sure but he could only be male.  You could also play a soceress but she was female.  I know I played through all three and the class became more important than the gender.  In the DA world this does make sense.  If you are playing a Chantry priest, doesn't that mean you are more likely to be female?   Can there be male Seekers?  
And would it matter if the default for a human character was female and not male?

[Olmerto]

I'll play both genders occasionally, but having that choice is more important than having a race choice.

And I'd mention, too, that different voice actors for different races are a must given that BW has, as mentioned, given unique accents to dwarves and dalish elves. I would have a big problem if my human and my elf had exactly the same voice on different playthroughs. If you're going to have voiceover -- which I like -- this stuff becomes a big issue for a lot of us.

[Jessihatt]

I'd rather choose gender but I do want origins back.

If we're going to have voice actors I don't care if all female origins have the same and all male origins have the same.
But I'd much rather they have all different voice actors who just don't speak as much as Hawke.
I really didn't like how much Hawke spoke!
I did prefer the Warden's stoic silence over Hawke's incessant squawking. (No pun intended)

But yeah, gender over origins any day but origins really add a replay value that gender doesn't.

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Arthur Cousland]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Being able to choose my gender is an absolute must for me. I couldn't finish The Witcher simply because I had to play a male which I am unable to identify with.

The same could be said for me and female characters.  I tried a female elven mage and romanced Alistair.  Once I got the romance achievement, I lost interest in the character and started over as an elven male.  I loved that DA2 didn't have achievements that required playing as both genders.

While I would love to play as a dwarf again, especially seeing their DA2 makeover, I don't think that I'd want a set gender in order to accomplish that.

[Cimeas]

Why can't they just use the same voice actors for every race? Accent is based on location, not race generally anyway.

[MichaelStuart]

If I had to choose, I would go without races.
I only want races in Dragon Age 3 if it will effect the story/gameplay and is not just a aesthetic thing.

[dunstan1993]

Hmm... This gives me a good idea for a poll, to see whether people would be happy with the same voice actors (One Male and one Female) for all three races.

I'll post a link shortly if anyone is interested, although I'm unsure how to make it "clickable", trial and error I guess.

[Patchwork]

I'm never able to play a male pc for long so for me its gender over race.

Playing a different race shifts perspective in a way changing class doesn't and I'm hoping if we do get origins back they'll be different from the ones in DAO. Which could sidestep the dalish problem and who knows maybe tech magic can adjust the VAs to work for different races

[dunstan1993]

Here's the link to the poll, if you're interested.
http://social.biowar...73/polls/36911/

[Sharn01]

First explain to me why different races need different voice actors.

[mad825]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Being able to choose my gender is an absolute must for me. I couldn't finish The Witcher simply because I had to play a male which I am unable to identify with.

Your kidding, right?

It a bit like saying you didn't like a film or book because the protagonist is [insert sex]. How many games do you dislike just based on the reason the protagonist is male?

You don't need to "identify" to enjoy a good story regardless the medium, so long as you can gain perspective of the protagonist(personality, aspirations and the world around) then there should be some interest in how it plays out.

Oh god how picky we have become. 

[Sharn01]

mad825 wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Being able to choose my gender is an absolute must for me. I couldn't finish The Witcher simply because I had to play a male which I am unable to identify with.

Your kidding, right?

It a bit like saying you didn't like a film or book because the protagonist is [insert sex]. How many games do you dislike just based on the reason the protagonist is male?

You don't need to "identify" to enjoy a good story regardless the medium, so long as you can gain perspective of the protagonist(personality, aspirations and the world around) then there should be some interest in how it plays out.

Oh god how picky we have become. 

Being able to customize your character has always been a selling point for a lot of people with Bioware games.  Why would someone who comes to the forums and follows bioware games who considers this very important continue to do so if they are going to make the same railroaded plot with a set character that every one else makes? 

The vast majority of games already do this, I dont want bioware to make the same games as everyone else, just like I dont want every restaurant to be a McDonalds just because it makes the most money.