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[I Tsunayoshi I]

I am making another Rogue character, Human Noble for the sake of a Landsmeet ending, and I am debating on going with the B/A setup I used on my last Rogue or to go for A/D since I have every intention of using any Tome I get my hands on meaning I will have enough points to get into the DW line once Archery is maxed out.

Do either have any major benefit outside of the party buffs given by Bard as SoV benefits me and a mage more than anything and SoC doesnt really do much considering that an Archer on support as far less Stamina than they should for dishing out pain with their special shots, mainly going Scatter into AoS to put down anything in a hurry.

[Silensfurtim]

Assassin/Bard - for CUN Rogue

Assasin/Duelist - for others

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Sounds like my Elf Rogue all over again just because I plan on dumping into DEX and CUN and exploit Lethality.



So which of the special bows should I be gearing foe? I used Mage's Eye the last time and it seemed to always look better than the other special bows besides Marjolenne's Recurve, which is stupidly restricted to Leliana.

[dkjestrup]

Falon Din's Reach (not sure about the spelling) is a great bow, the guy that did the archer solo said it was the best pre-landsmeet (Far Song) bow in the game. You get it in the elven ruins on the elves quest.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I always liked Mage's Eye better though because it has a Crit and Atk boost on it, though where exactly is Far Song at considering it was just mentioned as an item that is in the Landsmeet. I looked on GameBanshee, but they dont have a location marked for Far Song.

Ew... I dont like what I have to do to get Far Song. I hope that all the chests and doors I have to pick will make up for the lack of a quest.

Modifié par Sora Kitano, 17 décembre 2009 - 05:10 .

[Jestert]

i think you have to buy far song from the replacement smith at redcliff. you have to kill Owen first.

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

Well i prefer ranger/duelist ( for DW) or ranger/bard. Pets are awesome and work well to use it to lure enemies while you backstab, even solo. (note that assasins especialization offers no advantages for archers)

but do what suits your taste the most. mmm I go for bard/assasin if you have a strong group or two mages or duelist assasin if you want to be the real killer.

Mmm can you offer more info on party?

[dkjestrup]

arrrasdgaehjskmszkm wrote...

Well i prefer ranger/duelist ( for DW) or ranger/bard. Pets are awesome and work well to use it to lure enemies while you backstab, even solo. (note that assasins especialization offers no advantages for archers)
but do what suits your taste the most. mmm I go for bard/assasin if you have a strong group or two mages or duelist assasin if you want to be the real killer.
Mmm can you offer more info on party?

Ranger isn't really that good though, except for solos.

I'd recommend Assassin, which is awesome. My PC is an Assassin Duelist on Nightmare, going well. I'll have to try Assassin Bard.

I guess it really depends. Duelist gives you Pinpoint striking, haven't got it yet, must be awesome. Keen Defense looks good too. Upset balance is meh though. 

I find Duelist is good for the Duelist stance. But I'd guess that SoC is more powerful on a cunning rogue.

Assassin should be used on anyone except archers.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Planning on having Alistair for tank which should be better than my last Warrior run with me being threat on roids without using Taunt and Threaten.



Wynn on healing and possibly Morrigan on for Damgage. Might not use her though because AI is stupid with Blood Magic. Watched Wynn kill herself casting.



Assassin did good for me before just because of the stat boosts and Mark of Death was worth it when I could fire before the Mark got a chance to fight back. Bard seems blah just because of one song being good for me, the other being bleh, and distraction never gets touched.

[Loc'n'lol]

dkjestrup wrote...

Assassin should be used on anyone except archers.

Even archers can take advantage of the mark of death

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Um, my Heavy Hitter came from my first AoS on a MoD target

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

dkjestrup wrote...

arrrasdgaehjskmszkm wrote...

Well i prefer ranger/duelist ( for DW) or ranger/bard. Pets are awesome and work well to use it to lure enemies while you backstab, even solo. (note that assasins especialization offers no advantages for archers)

Ranger isn't really that good though, except for solos.

I'd recommend Assassin, which is awesome. My PC is an Assassin Duelist on Nightmare, going well. I'll have to try Assassin Bard.

  Well, i dont see what is bad for have another tank in group ( do you ever see the bear charging?) you can even go with a non-warrior party if you like. And you can be an assasin or bard or whatever if you like.  besides, having an expendable member of the group you can use it a s a decoy: Send the wolf, luring enemies, throw all your potions and spells on enemies, summon bear, buff party, charge...

Assassin should be used on anyone except archers.

 Why? you can sneak, backstab, stun, backstab again as any other mage or enemy... and it even recommendable that you kill archers first if you have Dexfix ( man, i really hate scattershot).
 
   In the other hand:  momentum + duelist abilities= near-instant kill for anyone except bosses. And duel stance works with bows too ( the other abilities no)
 

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

sorry i misunderstand the "assasin should be used on anyone except archers"

Mark of death is short-ranged, not very useful for archers in comparison with the other especializations. Besides assasin is a backstab-enhance- only especialization and you cant backstab with ranged weapons.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

That is why you only get Mark of Death and enjoy the crit bonus you get from the spec.



Didnt think it took a genius to figure that out.

[Discobird]

The crit bonus from Assassin spec only applies to melee attacks.

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

pretty lame spec for archers in comparison with others

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Meh. I plan on moving into Duelist if one of the sustains from that spec can actually do me some good, otherwise I will stick with Assassin.

[DeathTyrant]

If I were on my own I might go Bard/Assassin, but I am picking up Leliana for a dual rogue party, so she can fulfil the Bard (and lockpicking/utility) role, while I am pure DPS.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Eh. Since I will be the lockpick and all that and the fact I will be tome-happy, I may go dual warrior or dual mage for this rin.

[Soretooth]

I'm still on my first play through with a Rogue as my main char. I was hoping for an Assassin/anything else combo, but for some reason couldn't get the Assassin spec. I settled for a Duelist/Bard instead. I like the Duelist part, but haven't used any Bard skills. My Rogue is still a kick ****, take names char however. I'm enjoying the game immensely with this char.

Modifié par Soretooth, 18 décembre 2009 - 03:25 .

[AsheraII]

I've always preferred combining Bard with Ranger for a ranged buffbot (the Leliana method), while combining Duelist and Assassin for melee (the Zev method)

[DragoonKain3]

Don't underestimate pet damage. Pets do around 50 damage per hit endgame, which assuming 2.0s timers is around 25 dps increase. Even assuming low end, it would still be at least 20 dps increase.

Sure they're a bit inconvenient (disappears on new area and 50 stamina upkeep ALL the time), but they offer more DPS to Rogue builds apart from Bard/Assassin CUN rogues (who needs Bard to help increase attack rating).

So yeah...

CUN - Bard/Assassin
DEX (survival) - Duelist/Ranger
DEX (slightly more damage) - Assassin/Ranger
Archer - Ranger/Bard


Note pinpoint striking is Autocrit, not autobackstab (or at least from what I read of the code, of which Discobird finds the same thing). Which is unfortunate really, since none of Assassin's backstab skills work on pinpoint striking...

[Gerunt]

Sora you can still get the quest even if you kill the smith. when you meet her at the castle its the same only the quest starts there ans once your done go back to the smith place the she well be there

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Kain: Ranger adds nothing to a rogue while Assassin gives them a debuff to use and Duelist gives them overall DPS increase due to the other forms. The only problem is that both Bard and Duelist will end up taking massive amounts of stamina and will need WIL to make them work with more than 2 sustains.

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

Not really duelist stance is 5% fatigue, bard songs a little more and momentum is not usually used at all times. besides, wolves can reduce def for enemies ( good for cun-rogues) bears are awesome ( 300-500 hp, 50 damage, and knocks down enemies and you can backstab them) and even spiders are good ( you can lure enemies or tangle them to use your backstab or atack for the distance). And, if you can afford the ultimate ability, it improves pets A LOT. Using haste and bard songs make the bear a incredible tank ( 500 hp,high damage, good abilities)



Besides a standard tactic for archers is sniping, and use the pets to tank lets you atack at a distance. And you can summon the three pets one after another. At close call combat archers are not very good, so its good to have some help.



Duelist stance works with ranged weapons very nicely, making Bard-duelist very nice DPS archers (using song of courage for damage and duelist stance for def and hit rate. For cun-based archers this is a must in hard or nightmare ). Well that cost you having two sustainables activated,too. But i usually dont have much problems with that.



To be honest, In my experience I dont find the loss of fatigue a big problem ( well not much more than any other class) considering that rogues use light armor and using some equipment that adds vigor reg or more will.

Ah, pet summoning is already repaired by the patch , or fixed by mods ( in my game at last I dont have problems already ).

As Dragonkain says, the damage of this build is the combined damage of pet and rogue. And its huge

Of course this is all rambling about rogue archers. DW rogues works fine with assasin spec.