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[yukon fire]

The Angry One wrote...

Basically it's cowardly writing. They don't have the guts to outright kill Shepard.

Then again, they kill Shepard in such a ridiculous way in destroy, and overall Shepard dies collaborating with the enemy that I'd argue they don't have the right.

I've no problems with Shepard dying a hero. Thing is, Shepard doesn't die a hero. At best, Shepard dies a collaborator. At worst, Shepard dies an absolute moron (how about not walking into an explosion!).

Didn't have the guts to show Tali's Face or make the Rachni decision matter either,

[1483749283]

Are you sure you aren't confusing your feelings being hurt with bad writing?

[Conniving_Eagle]

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh*.. I can't.. I just can't. ME3 ended with me and Anderson on the Citadel watching Reapers get ****ed up and Shepard being found passed out next to a dead Anderson and taken to a hospital where all his friends waited till he woke up in his hospital bed

That's a good headcanon.

Good forumite.

Here's some steak.

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

clos wrote...

Man. The writing for ME3 has been awful overall. Sure, some missions like Rannoch/Tuchanka and some touching moment like Mordin singing and the like. But when you put all the good vs. the bad together ME3 is just awful writing. I could go on to list all the bad parts of it but that's just gonna start another back and forth that's pretty pointless.

I just hope Bioware doesn't have any mirrors in their building because I don't understand how anyone could look at themselves and be proud after having destroyed the franchise.

You honestly think they care? They have their money, they have enough people buying their games from their new CoD crowd target audience. They're not in it for the sake of the games or the fans.

Exactly..

Re: Paragon-Lost

[estebanus]

JDee3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh*.. I can't.. I just can't. ME3 ended with me and Anderson on the Citadel watching Reapers get ****ed up and Shepard being found passed out next to a dead Anderson and taken to a hospital where all his friends waited till he woke up in his hospital bed

No it didn't. ME3 ended with Shepard being forced into choosing the fate of everyone and everything, and had to make the right choice, even if it sucked. Which it did.

I'm not even sure which one was the right choice. I would say the refusal but then everyone dies. They could have did something like Halo Reach with that there. The control is sketchy. The destroy.. my Shepard would never sacrifice EDI and the Geth. Synthesis is just creepy.. I can't

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

[Leonia]

Pausanias wrote...

Are you sure you aren't confusing your feelings being hurt with bad writing?

Best line I've read in a long time.

Anyway, we haven't seen the comment in its proper context and even given the context provided in the OP it doesn't seem like anything is definite so I'd say the OP is being pre-emptive in their disappointment.

[Jadebaby]

Bill Casey wrote...

Multiple people worked on it and likely have differeing intentions with the breathe scene. Writers sometimes don't know why they did something, and can't stay consistent when discussing what they meant. Ray Bradbury was notorious for this...

Stories are meant to be experienced, not written. If they intended Shepard to die, their intention failed, because what they actually wrote was quite clearly Shepard living...

Actually, they wrote Shepard being indoctrinated but that's a whole other discussion...

Well you have a point, I guess I should change my definition of what is canon. It just frustrates me that they wanted to kill Shep in every ending but didn't because of the fans. Instead of, you know, just not wanting to kill Shepard in every ending...

[Conniving_Eagle]

yukon fire wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Basically it's cowardly writing. They don't have the guts to outright kill Shepard.

Then again, they kill Shepard in such a ridiculous way in destroy, and overall Shepard dies collaborating with the enemy that I'd argue they don't have the right.

I've no problems with Shepard dying a hero. Thing is, Shepard doesn't die a hero. At best, Shepard dies a collaborator. At worst, Shepard dies an absolute moron (how about not walking into an explosion!).

Didn't have the guts to show Tali's Face or make the Rachni decision matter either,

That's the short version.

[Leonia]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well you have a point, I guess I should change my definition of what is canon. It just frustrates me that they wanted to kill Shep in every ending but didn't because of the fans. Instead of, you know, just not wanting to kill Shepard in every ending...

So what you're saying is you wouldn't be upset if they had just killed Shepard off.

[ediskrad327]

my "Speculation" Speculates that he lived

[The Angry One]

estebanus wrote...

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

If Shepard thinks sacrificing an entire innocent allied species to the enemy to take the easy way out is acceptable, then they certainly aren't fit to lead.

The Geth did not join to become sacrificial lambs for a Reaper approved future.

[JDee3]

estebanus wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh*.. I can't.. I just can't. ME3 ended with me and Anderson on the Citadel watching Reapers get ****ed up and Shepard being found passed out next to a dead Anderson and taken to a hospital where all his friends waited till he woke up in his hospital bed

No it didn't. ME3 ended with Shepard being forced into choosing the fate of everyone and everything, and had to make the right choice, even if it sucked. Which it did.

I'm not even sure which one was the right choice. I would say the refusal but then everyone dies. They could have did something like Halo Reach with that there. The control is sketchy. The destroy.. my Shepard would never sacrifice EDI and the Geth. Synthesis is just creepy.. I can't

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

Yeah it just sucks.. it's like seriously the Normandy for me didn't get consumed by the red magic crap and destroyed yet EDI still died? (to think of it maybe the body just got destroyed and she's still in the ship..) and the control ending could tell Reapers apart from things that had reaper tech in it but not the destory? Bioware wants to just mess with my head here and OF COURSE everything can be repaired but the geth and edi.. ugh

Modifié par JDee3, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:37 .

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

estebanus wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh*.. I can't.. I just can't. ME3 ended with me and Anderson on the Citadel watching Reapers get ****ed up and Shepard being found passed out next to a dead Anderson and taken to a hospital where all his friends waited till he woke up in his hospital bed

No it didn't. ME3 ended with Shepard being forced into choosing the fate of everyone and everything, and had to make the right choice, even if it sucked. Which it did.

So, I'm guessing you're against any sort of fanfiction, aren't you?

[Leonia]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Are you sure you aren't confusing your feelings being hurt with bad writing?

Best line I've read in a long time.

Are you saying you consider the ME3 endings good writing? I'd hate to see what you consider bad then.

I think the terms "good" and "bad" in reference to writing have lost all sense of their original meanings. What I think personally of the ending doesn't matter, it's going to be subjective and different from what every other fans thinks. But you can't just slap "bad writing" onto everything that you dislike and put all the blame on the writers, that's hardly fair.

[sporeian]

The Angry One wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

If Shepard thinks sacrificing an entire innocent allied species to the enemy to take the easy way out is acceptable, then they certainly aren't fit to lead.

The Geth did not join to become sacrificial lambs for a Reaper approved future.

And Shepard didn't oppose Saren and TIM only to accept their plans in The Reaper's planned future.

[estebanus]

The Angry One wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

If Shepard thinks sacrificing an entire innocent allied species to the enemy to take the easy way out is acceptable, then they certainly aren't fit to lead.

The Geth did not join to become sacrificial lambs for a Reaper approved future.

Does it matter? I have my opinion and you have yours, and I can respect that. We can't sway each other from what we think, so I suggest we stop before this is turned into and "X ending vs. Y ending" debate.

[Conniving_Eagle]

"I'm going to win this war. And I'll do it without sacraficing the soul of our species."

What a hypocrite.

[Jadebaby]

leonia42 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well you have a point, I guess I should change my definition of what is canon. It just frustrates me that they wanted to kill Shep in every ending but didn't because of the fans. Instead of, you know, just not wanting to kill Shepard in every ending...

So what you're saying is you wouldn't be upset if they had just killed Shepard off.

Honestly, no I wouldn't be. It's honest writing..

Sure I would HAVE been extremely disappointed, but it's been over 4 months now. If I had closure, one way or the other. I could actually move on from this nightmare of an ending and just say "Shepard went down with the endings, goodbye BioWare, goodbye Mass Effect."

So yes, closure > speculations. Even if said closure isn't what I'd prefer.

[estebanus]

TheIdiocyWizard2.0 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh*.. I can't.. I just can't. ME3 ended with me and Anderson on the Citadel watching Reapers get ****ed up and Shepard being found passed out next to a dead Anderson and taken to a hospital where all his friends waited till he woke up in his hospital bed

No it didn't. ME3 ended with Shepard being forced into choosing the fate of everyone and everything, and had to make the right choice, even if it sucked. Which it did.

So, I'm guessing you're against any sort of fanfiction, aren't you?

 

Not at all. I like writing fan fiction, but I don't like reading or writing fanfiction that tries to change what the game presents to fit the writers' own needs.

[Conniving_Eagle]

sporeian wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

If Shepard thinks sacrificing an entire innocent allied species to the enemy to take the easy way out is acceptable, then they certainly aren't fit to lead.

The Geth did not join to become sacrificial lambs for a Reaper approved future.

And Shepard didn't oppose Saren and TIM only to accept their plans in The Reaper's planned future.

They should make a DLC where you can join Saren in ME1. Then I can play the Mass Effect series again. Or maybe now I'll just have sex with Morinth at the end of ME2, much better ending.

[estebanus]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"I'm going to win this war. And I'll do it without sacraficing the soul of our species."

What a hypocrite.

Remember that not everyone is paragon.

[estebanus]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

sporeian wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think that destroy is the only right one. If Shepard can't accept losing people, then s/he isn't fit to lead.

If Shepard thinks sacrificing an entire innocent allied species to the enemy to take the easy way out is acceptable, then they certainly aren't fit to lead.

The Geth did not join to become sacrificial lambs for a Reaper approved future.

And Shepard didn't oppose Saren and TIM only to accept their plans in The Reaper's planned future.

They should make a DLC where you can join Saren in ME1. Then I can play the Mass Effect series again. Or maybe now I'll just have sex with Morinth at the end of ME2, much better ending.

But if you side with Saren, the war is already over in ME1. Reapers attack citadel, everyone dies, cycle continues, etc.

[The Angry One]

leonia42 wrote...

I think the terms "good" and "bad" in reference to writing have lost all sense of their original meanings. What I think personally of the ending doesn't matter, it's going to be subjective and different from what every other fans thinks. But you can't just slap "bad writing" onto everything that you dislike and put all the blame on the writers, that's hardly fair.

You're right, you can't.
However, ME3's ending isn't bad writing because some don't like it, it's objectively bad.
Yes, even the EC. Because they refuse to let go of elements that harm the narrative, like spacebaby and the jungle planet (spacebaby far more so, of course).
Thus the EC has to write around it, so we have even more absurd logic from spacebaby, and new plot holes generated to force the entire crew onto the Normandy for no reason just to have them on the jungle planet which isn't even needed with high EMS.

Then when fans complain that there's still a lack of closure, BioWare tells us to headcanon it... oh and then "corrects" us when our headcanon doesn't match theirs (see: reject ending interpretations).
This is bad writing.

Modifié par The Angry One, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .