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[NM_Che56]

Obvious troll is obvious

it was a jimmy rustle.

If you asked him, he would agree that it's possible that Shep was really on torfan or whatever is relevant to ur Shep and that he's coming too after a batarian attack. All of mass effect was a dream by a soldier...maybe not Shepard... Ever see Shep wear dog tags...

[Leonia]

Master Che wrote...

Obvious troll is obvious

it was a jimmy rustle.

If you asked him, he would agree that it's possible that Shep was really on torfan or whatever is relevant to ur Shep and that he's coming too after a batarian attack. All of mass effect was a dream by a soldier...maybe not Shepard... Ever see Shep wear dog tags...

Can't renegades refuse to accept those dog tags in LotSB? We never actually see Shepard wearing them even after Anderson gives them back at the start of the game (what about people who accepted the dogtags in LotSB from Liara, does Shepard now have two pairs?). Anyway, speculations for everyone, right?

[MordiMoro]

Bioware has nothing to show again ... takes time with speculations and dlc mp (useless for me).

Shep lives. Shep die. No Shep maybe dies. No maybe Shep is alive. No Shep dies. No Shep lives.

Bioware doing it on purpose to keep the spotlight on ME3.

Modifié par MordiMoro, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[Raging_Pulse]

HagarIshay wrote...

Nope. Shepard lives, No matter what the writers say. They let Shepard survive, and let us know even Shepard's LI knows this. So no. Maybe it's one writer's headcanon. But it's certently more obvious the intent was to let us know in the future a reunion with both LI and Shepard will happen.

No, he is dead.

There are more games to come in Mass Effect universe, but Shepard's story is over. He sacrificed himself to stop the Reapers. Breath scene is just an easter egg, a cute little teaser scene that has no real meaning or significance.

The Extended cut adressed, explained and brought closure to all available end scenarios EXCEPT the one where Shepard supposedly lives. If ''Shepard lives'' epilogue had any significance and was considered to be equal to other endings, the writers would have applied a Show, don't tell approach, as they did for all other endings and shown cinematics, cutscenes and slides for it. Instead, that scene is is not changed since the original cut, it's completely the same. 

For the intent of ending Shepard's story arch, the writers decided to kill him and left him to rot buried in a pile of rubble like a piece of garbage. And that idiot Hackett did not dign to even mention him in his blathering about rebuilding the relays and society and what not. Sorry for being overly dramatic but it's the truth. If it weren't, we would have been shown otherwise.

[masster blaster]

Guys please help me get ITers and literalist to work together please. I think we can combin our theorys together and we could pull of the bigest specualtion Bioware wanted us to dom. So please stop by ny poll and vote to help this idea, or laugh at me. But it's time to end this child argument on who is right once and for all.

[Conniving_Eagle]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys please help me get ITers and literalist to work together please. I think we can combin our theorys together and we could pull of the bigest specualtion Bioware wanted us to dom. So please stop by ny poll and vote to help this idea, or laugh at me. But it's time to end this child argument on who is right once and for all.

Lol, this is BSN. Good luck, you'll need it.

[jojon2se]

Mcfly616 wrote...
he isn't dead ...the meaning of that scene is that he's alive....people go into a frenzy because some uninformed low level employee that has nothing to do with the game or its story development, popped off at the mouth like they knew what they were talking about

The breathe scene is the writers implying that he lived. That was their intention with the original endings, and it still is today....otherwise, the strategy guide wouldn't specifically state: "Shepard Lives"

I read a summary (...which is admittedly, per definition, paraphrasing...) of the thing, and Parrish (...whom I'd not label as you did...) said it COULD be a last breath kind of thing, seemingly as an answer to a direct question to that effect, not that is IS, meaning it is for you to decide; Make your own headcanon - the elements have been left in and open for you to do so.

[Kyazain]

Mungolian_ wrote...

The breath scene infuriates me and I still don't have closure.

All these implications would have been better suited for a book. In the memorial wall scene for example, I could have gotten some internal monologue from the love interest about how they felt that Shepard was alive out there. Then the breath scene and I would have been more or less satisfied...if ME were a book.  

In such a visual medium as video games, it didn't work for me and I don't think I should have to head-canon it. If they wanted Shepard dead (because that's what you do when you have no idea where to go with a character) they shouldn't have added the breath scene at all. That "beacon of hope" is meaningless.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

On a separate note,  I'm not sure if some people are understanding what we mean by "organics vs. synthetics weren't the central theme of the story."

We're meaning it in a general sense. The day old question of "can robots and humans peacefully co-exist?" was not a central theme. No one in the game ever asked a question like that, IIRC. Even if no one asked, the story's plot did not point to that question at all. The themes used in Mass Effect were more specific, i.e. organics vs. reapers, quarians vs. geth, but not robots and organics. The latter was used in the final 10 minutes of the game. 

With Reapers vs. organics, much of what was applied in that plotline was stopping them before the cycle continues. And that was the conflict. When we hit the third game, most of the entire story was stopping them, then it changed to the general "organics vs. synthetics."

With Quarians vs. Geth, much of the conversations going on regarding this issue was contaning whether the Geth and Quarian conflict will ever be resolved. It wasn't until we meet Legion that we all got the idea that peace between the two species could actually happen.

So by the time we hit the third game, we haven't actually heard anything about the overall theme of "organics vs. synthetics" until we hit the end. What doesn't help is that for a huge chunk of the third game, the direction we were seeing with organics vs. synthetics was the exact opposite. Since you can actually resolve the Geth and Quarian conflict in peace, as well as EDI's humanization. I actually thought while playing ME3 for the first time that a side theme would be synthetics can live and be like humans.

So, while it may be that the game involved conflict between organics vs. synthetic hybrids, the "can humans and robots live in peace" was not a theme. The theme was defeating the Reapers and triumph against all odds.

Anyway, it's late and I'm tired, so I'm sorry if this post doesn't make much sense. . .

[What a Succulent Ass]

I ain't even mad, 'cos my Shepard died when she walked into an exploding tube like an idiot.

So I ain't even worried tho.

[yukon fire]

They don't even care anymore

[MB957]

I'll take that kick to tha quads now...

ooooffff...

thank you!

another please!!

[ratzerman]

Just when fans were starting to settle down and feel good about the ending....

Nice job.

[alsonamedbort]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hepler: "It could just be a last gasp before death, yeah."


I take the writer's intent as canon, and it's clear their intent here was to kill Shepard off.

SO BE IT!

No intent here. I don't agree with a lot of your points but your posts are usually a lot better than this, which makes me think you're just trolling.

[NM_Che56]

It's amazing. Bioware has a brainfart then all of a sudden there's white smoke and BSN gets a new pope...

Look, you COULD interpret it as a dying gasp but if you have any sense for the dramatic then youd know that they wouldn't:

1. Show it to you only if you get a high enough EMS. They'd just leave you with Shep engulfed in a boom cloud. That's common sense. Showing a dying gasp after all of that adds nothing.
2. They wouldn't show it at the tail end AFTER your LI smiled as he or she refused to put the nameplate on the memorial wall. Again, that would serve no purpose.

Stop taking a flippant remark as gospel especially when the producer and a QA dude told you what it meant. He should've kept his musings to himself but Y'all getting addled for nothing.

[Terraforming2154]

ratzerman wrote...

Just when fans were starting to settle down and feel good about the ending....

Nice job.

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of people seemed to feel that the EC provided a better since of closure than the original endings.

Not sure what the hell Hepler felt he was accomplishing by making that statement.

[v3paR]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If it was called shepsurvives. Then that could be taken a bit better.

then that would be "Shepard survived to take his last breath".
so really, until they say yes or no (which i think they wont say) you really can't be sure

[NM_Che56]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Just when fans were starting to settle down and feel good about the ending....

Nice job.

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of people seemed to feel that the EC provided a better since of closure than the original endings.

Not sure what the hell Hepler felt he was accomplishing by making that statement.

I think he wasn't thinking of how the chicken little contingent would take it.  

[Baa Baa]

It's useless to have something in there that's so heavily implied and have it mean nothing. Shep lives in that ending. They left it open so they don't have to make another game with him. And if they do make any sequels, they'll say Shepard is dead because it is hundreds/thousands of years in the future, but not touch upon when he died to save themselves resources.

[NM_Che56]

Baa Baa wrote...

It's useless to have something in there that's so heavily implied and have it mean nothing. Shep lives in that ending. They left it open so they don't have to make another game with him. And if they do make any sequels, they'll say Shepard is dead because it is hundreds/thousands of years in the future, but not touch upon when he died to save themselves resources.

This and because Shepard can die or become space God

[Massa FX]

Everyone has their own reasons for whatever ending they choose. Bottom line is that Bioware wanted Shepard to die permanently.

They got their wish. In doing so they betrayed Shepard and the fans.

And they will defend their decision.

As a longtime fan I am highly dissatisfied.

[N7Gold]

Since when did breathing in equals death? It makes no sense.

[InHarmsWay]

N7Gold wrote...

Since when did breathing in equals death? It makes no sense.

I'm apparently dying every moment in my life.

[alsonamedbort]

Massa FX wrote...

Everyone has their own reasons for whatever ending they choose. Bottom line is that Bioware wanted Shepard to die permanently.

They got their wish. In doing so they betrayed Shepard and the fans.

And they will defend their decision.

As a longtime fan I am highly dissatisfied.

No they didn't.  They intentionally left open the implication that he survived.  No one was "betrayed" by that.

[Mazebook]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Palm.....










Face?




Yeah....this logic is just ass backwards....


Shepard lives....as specifically said in the official guide....not to mention Bioware themselves.....these panelists are of no importance....they're nobody's that get thrown to the wolves because Casey and Mac arent going to lol

Let's use common sense here folks....its not a last gasp....he "LIVES"... It's in there to symbolize his survival in that specific ending, while also leaving what he does afterwards up to the imagination.....(hence why my plaque never went up, the entire ending has symbolism in it).....some people are just incapable of understanding what is implied in movies and games these days....I guess..
Which is why those people that need every single detail explained to them word for word, are the same people that bash the game


They didn't throw a last gasp in just to reiterate the fact that he died....asinine logic.....laughable lol

hear hear...so much truth in this statement...shaperd is alive...it is implied...if you don´t believe that this is possible...than he is dead....for you...chose whatever you want to believe.

[NM_Che56]

InHarmsWay wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

Since when did breathing in equals death? It makes no sense.

I'm apparently dying every moment in my life.

I would've LOVED IT if they would've gotten all philosophical and said, "Shepard dies...eventually...we all die some day, am I right?".  LOL