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[JamieCOTC]

I'm not saying it was the best way to go, but if you want Shep to live in the breathe scene, then s/he lives. If you want him/her to die, she dies. It's called interpretation and it really is just that simple.

[AlloutAce]

I don't get why people are all up in arms if Shep dies, it makes the story hit home more if he DOES die. War is sacrifice, if everyone had to sacrifice but Shephard it takes away from the drama. I'm glad he went out as a hero, though sad at the same time.

[Mims]

/\\ If bioware can't shoot the indoctrination theory down, I highly doubt they are ever going to conclusively say one thing or the other about the breathe scene. It is what it is, people are going to read different things into it.

But its pretty obvious just by the narrative it was meant to be uplifting, not:

LI: Maybe she's still alive out there...
Shepard: Nope, I'm dead /expires

Modifié par Mims, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Elorin Silverblade]

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

[Lord Goose]

I do not understand what so special about this interview. Maybe they wanted Shepard dead, yes. There is possibility what he dies right after breath scene. But possibility is just possibility. They didn't stated what Shepard die, after all.

[chemiclord]

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

Hepler was absolutely trolling.

That people can't (or don't want) to see this is their problem.

[wantedman dan]

chemiclord wrote...

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

Hepler was absolutely trolling.

That people can't (or don't want) to see this is their problem.

I've explained to you why people are so pissed off at this guy.

[wright1978]

They left the death scene in and therefore my shep survived when i got that ending. Beyond that it really does make me worry about Bioware that they seriously considered railroading this issue and only half heartedly added a Shep lives ending. Then in the original endings they railroaded everyone into galactic dark age BS so i should hardly be surprised player choice is of so low value to them now.

[Sarevok Synder]

wantedman dan wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

Hepler was absolutely trolling.

That people can't (or don't want) to see this is their problem.

I've explained to you why people are so pissed off at this guy.

I agree with chemiclord, Hepler was just being a clown for the sake of it, I don't know why, nor do I really care.

However, what did he do that pissed people off previously?

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[Massa FX]

chemiclord wrote...

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

Hepler was absolutely trolling.

That people can't (or don't want) to see this is their problem.

trolling is inexcusible at this point. the backlash from the ending doesnt need anyone from development, in particular a writer, jerking fans around. im not amused. 

i do feel betrayed. i read the live transcript from the panel and the last gasp of breath comment was uncalled for. the betrayal came from the decision to end shepard by not leaving any acceptable outcome and then defending that stance. not to mention the expectation of future revenue from a franchise that has killed off the main character.

[Pitznik]

The only reason to show a character who is presumed death to suddenly draw breath/open an eye/clench his hand into fist is to show he in fact is still alive. LI not putting the name on the wall -unlike in other endings- and smiling is yet another "he/she's alive!" moment. I believe what I see and what is in game.

[Baa Baa]

Pitznik wrote...

The only reason to show a character who is presumed death to suddenly draw breath/open an eye/clench his hand into fist is to show he in fact is still alive. LI not putting the name on the wall -unlike in other endings- and smiling is yet another "he/she's alive!" moment. I believe what I see and what is in game.

[d-boy15]

no reason for bioware to add scene like that to show character dying...

in fact, that scene is more like awaking breath than dying breath. even in .bik file also
named shepard live. normandy crew didn't put shepard on the wall.

EC is pretty much confirm he can be alive, may be they trolling because some of us
still think shepard dead in high ems destroy even after all hint in EC.

[Wilkco]

the thing they seem to forget is the replay value having your hero die at the end stops people wanting to play again unless sad death of hero type ending is your thing. i personally play games where i finish it and get the feel good feeling at the end. no it does not have to be disney or reunion type but like on ME1 with shepard walking out of the rubble with his grin.
i played m3 sp twice so far to get my insanity acivement on the second one but i have no want to play again to see my character die or no resoloution on the breath one

MP is the only keeping me interested at the moment and maybe some sp dlc depending on what it is.

[Lakeshow1986]

It makes no sense to put it in other than to demonstrate Shepard survived. These kind of comments annoy be because why the heck would you put it in otherwise? Just deliberate trolling...

[chemiclord]

Massa FX wrote...

trolling is inexcusible at this point. the backlash from the ending doesnt need anyone from development, in particular a writer, jerking fans around. im not amused. 

i do feel betrayed. i read the live transcript from the panel and the last gasp of breath comment was uncalled for. the betrayal came from the decision to end shepard by not leaving any acceptable outcome and then defending that stance. not to mention the expectation of future revenue from a franchise that has killed off the main character.

It was entirely called for.

People wanted to conjure the worst case scenario in their heads, then say, "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!"

Hepler said, "Fine.  You want him to die?  He's dead.  Happy now?"

Stop blaming Bioware because you insist on feeling betrayed and pissed off.  It's your problem now, not theirs.  They've said their piece, they've drawn their line in the sand.  If you don't like it... walk away.

Modifié par chemiclord, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[CrazyRah]

Sheps alive and no lowly and unimportant writer's view, word or opinion from anyone like him matter a squat to me and i will keep on ignoring. Less BS that way

[MordiMoro]

When she left the EC Bioware had not clarified that the final breath Shep alive and meant that the player could imagine the reuninon?

Now he says that Shep is dead?

Perhaps too many players have chosen this ending ...

Modifié par MordiMoro, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[alsonamedbort]

MordiMoro wrote...
Now he says that Shep is dead?

No.

[wright1978]

Apparently Bioware still thinks its vague open ended ultra samey original endings were just perfect. They must have really hated making EC and providing clarification on different choices.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

I don't buy the dying breath bit. I don't see them wasting money on an extra scene of Shepard dying, especially when they are trying to give people hope with that scene. I think he was either joking, trolling, or just responding to someones question.

Hepler was absolutely trolling.

That people can't (or don't want) to see this is their problem.

He may well have been.

But even if he was, the fact that he could do it so effectively about this ending says something about the quality of the ending, doesnt' it?

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...

He may well have been.

But even if he was, the fact that he could do it so effectively about this ending says something about the quality of the ending, doesnt' it?

That even with the EC, the endings are barely tolerable, at best?

I dunno, because that's my opinion on the quality of the endings.

Doesn't change the fact that Hepler was outright trolling, and it wasn't even particularly subtle, either.  "Don't feed the trolls" is good advice that should apply to people from Bioware too.

[Massa FX]

chemiclord wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

trolling is inexcusible at this point. the backlash from the ending doesnt need anyone from development, in particular a writer, jerking fans around. im not amused. 

i do feel betrayed. i read the live transcript from the panel and the last gasp of breath comment was uncalled for. the betrayal came from the decision to end shepard by not leaving any acceptable outcome and then defending that stance. not to mention the expectation of future revenue from a franchise that has killed off the main character.

It was entirely called for.

People wanted to conjure the worst case scenario in their heads, then say, "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!"

Hepler said, "Fine.  You want him to die?  He's dead.  Happy now?"

Stop blaming Bioware because you insist on feeling betrayed and pissed off.  It's your problem now, not theirs.  They've said their piece, they've drawn their line in the sand.  If you don't like it... walk away.

I respect your opinion. Please respect mine. I blame the creators of this mess. Not myself. It's not my problem now or then nor will it be my problem.

Fans respond to the topic in every way. I'm not sure why you've soloed me out for condemnation or ridicule.

If you don't like what I post... don't read it.

[JamieCOTC]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AlloutAce wrote...

I don't get why people are all up in arms if Shep dies, it makes the story hit home more if he DOES die. War is sacrifice, if everyone had to sacrifice but Shephard it takes away from the drama. I'm glad he went out as a hero, though sad at the same time.

http://blogs.scienti...ill-your-hero/' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://blogs.scienti...kill-your-hero/

Nice article. I agree, but for a different reason.

I expected Shep to die at the end of ME3. After all his/her destiny was intertwined w/ the Reapers.  When they were gone, Shepard would be gone. What I didn’t expect was for Shep to go out in such a lackluster fashion coupled with an inane plot twist.  So, I think it would be appropriate for Shepard to die, just not in the manner BW decided to thrust upon us.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 15 juillet 2012 - 05:23 .