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[WKWBlank]

Shoot me but I think the game would have been much better if it was based off DND 4e.

People don't seem to give 4e a chance and in a game like this I think it would have worked very very well.

[casadechrisso]

*draws a cross and spits over shoulder*



I'm so thankful Bioware did not make yet another D&D game... after years of playing them I've just had enough, thank you.

Let's also take a moment to remember the good/evil/law/chaos axxis.. good riddance, no one misses you.

[steelfire_dragon]

lets get this straight, a bioware or OEI 4e dnd game, we would buy, lets face it.



however as long as hasbro is in the picture, there will be limits to what we see, and get.



no offense against Hasbro though.



but when you do a inhouse IP, you set the limits to waht can and cant be in the game.

[WKWBlank]

I would f*kn love a 4e DnD game by Bioware. Dragon Age is the perfect setting to do it in since 4e is much more realistic and that was what they were aiming to do here.



Let's face it, the DA:O combat system is so unbalanced and flawed it's ridiculous and 4e is very balanced.

[auxleyleonard]

DAO is fine as it is. However, if a 4e game comes out, I'll buy em anyway.

[blazin130791]

4e=WoW

[casadechrisso]

Still, D&D comes with a lot of side effects. First off, there will not be a Bioware D&D game as long as Atari holds the license. Second, D&D games mean yet another Forgotten Realms game and a lot of trademark boredom that is bound to the license. Hasbro dictates content etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'd buy a NWN3 too, but I'm really fed up with Forgotten Realms and everything that comes with it, and in NWN I usually avoid every mod or world that stays close to the D&D rulebook.

Maybe the system would really work good, if it's used in an unusual, new and surprising way, but I don't see anything new and surprising coming from that direction anymore.

Plus, some changes and ideas in Bioware's system were actually quite refreshing. You can clearly see that they took D&D as a base and made an overhaul to their liking there, and that overhaul comes with some nice and fresh surprises. I love the rogue's dirty fighting and below the belt, for example. Even if useless, it's still something newer and fresher than the saaaame old rogue build in D&D you remade a thousand times with minor changes.

I also don't think that D&D is really balanced. There's always a class that totally owns the other class, but it doesn't really matter because it's made for party play, just like DA:O.

Last but not leasdt, not everyone really wants to learn the whole D&D rulebook. Even if 4e simplified a lot, D&D is overwhelming for a newbie. It took me years to understand it, and I still don't know it in and out. It's just not made for just jumping in and having fun, it's a science and total nerd thing.

[Gliese]

I disagree, in fact I think DAO is far too close to D&D, I was hoping for a more original setting. The writing is as usual excellent and as good as you'd expect but it is a fairly simple and straightforward story, it feels a bit rehashed.

Actually I like some parts better, the dwarves are more awesome in DAO than in any other setting I can think of, I think the elves get the short end of the stick though.

[Janko1200]

blazin130791 wrote...

4e=WoW

Yes, that is exactly my opinion. D&D 4th edition is boring compared to D&D 3.x, because all abilities that are really cool are missing and every class feels like the other one.

I prefer Pathfinder, which is an improved version of D&D 3.x and its a very good game system.

Modifié par Janko1200, 17 décembre 2009 - 06:16 .

[Aesthioseae]

Original like how? The fact of the matter is that the roleplaying world has archetypes already set in place, and so there 2e dynamic of designating the class-roles is fairly simplified and straight-forward. In fact, that they made the elves slaves and servants of the humans, took away their tolkien appeal and drove them into the hills is somewhat new, in my opinion. The way they handled the dwarves was also a fine touch too, if you ask me. Humans are... well, humans.



And I personally think of WoW or Diablo when I set my sights on a 4E based game. That's not to say that a 3.5 edition version wouldn't be WAY too convoluted...



Now, none of this isn't to say that I hate 4th edition, because I didn't hate it. I had a good time playing it, but after a year or so of it, I went back to 3.5. 4E was kind of a fad to me... MtG vs Pokemon.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Trying too hard, 3/10.

[steelfire_dragon]

blazin130791 wrote...

4e=WoW

I have heard this too.
and in some points, I can not disagree.


I have also heard it being called $E....

[ejikvkaske]

I've had enough of D&D games. Modern RPGs should be more advanced, meaning you shouldn't be able to reproduce the gameplay with a pen and paper. Having said that, DA:o is not quite there yes.

[KalosCast]

DnD 4e is completely trash for anything that's not directly in a dungeon killing kobolds. DnD was never a good system for a full world but 4e made it worse.

[Haplose]

No.

[Sloth Of Doom]

WKWBlank wrote...

Shoot me but I think the game would have been much better if it was based off DND 4e.

People don't seem to give 4e a chance and in a game like this I think it would have worked very very well.

People don't give 4e a chance bcause it is absolute crap.

It would make a beter video game than a tabletop though.

[MartinJHolm]

blazin130791 wrote...

4e=WoW

That's a pretty stuid thing to say.

Also the rules in DA are actually rather similar to 4e.

Personally I would have loved a Forgotten Realm setting game because that's what I like the best. If it was 3.5 or 4 wouldn't matter much to me but 4e is probably much better suited to computer games.

It seems people forget that melee classes had NO active attack abilities in the older DnD

Modifié par MartinJHolm, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:34 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

MartinJHolm wrote...

blazin130791 wrote...

4e=WoW

That's a pretty stuid thing to say.

Also the rules in DA are actually rather similar to 4e.

Personally I would have loved a Forgotten Realm setting game because that's what I like the best. If it was 3.5 or 4 wouldn't matter much to me but 4e is probably much better suited to computer games.

It seems people forget that melee classes had NO active attack abilities in the older DnD

Have you read what they did to FR for 4e?  Talk about alienaiting your audience.

[bjdbwea]

No, but I do think it would be better with the ruleset of previous DnD editions instead of the undocumented, unbalanced and smaller-scope system used in DA.

[Mordaedil]

I think 4th edition did quite a number on the classes. Warriors were given some incentive to say something besides "I attack it... With my sword!" in combat, and rogues are still saying "I hide... And stab it in the back!". Mages though, were given a tiny wand to play with and they are even weaker than a fighter with a crossbow. The only really lucrative class to play as is suddenly the Warlock and even that is heavily powered down in utility.



But that's classes. What 4th edition did to Forgotten Realms is appalling. Nevermind it's already happened 3-4 times, let's kill Mystra AGAIN! People will never see it coming! And then some retarded author can revive her in a book later and we'll offer another retarded explanation on how magic works in 5th edition. Also, let's make Elminster a crazy hermit and Drizzt more emo.

[KalosCast]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Have you read what they did to FR for 4e?  Talk about alienaiting your audience.

Have you ever read about FR regardless of version? Cramming every possible culture and setting into one single continent does not make for... anything good.

[Gecon]

WKWBlank wrote...

Shoot me [...]

But with pleasure !

*BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* ...

[Gecon]

bjdbwea wrote...

No, but I do think it would be better with the ruleset of previous DnD editions instead of the undocumented, unbalanced and smaller-scope system used in DA.

Oh ? Is that so ?!?

Even if it is - unlike DnD, they can now fix it if they want to.

While in DnD you got a ton of stuff thats unbalanced, too. People simply have the experience to avoid them.

And if I want to play DnD, it would be NWN2. Very few wishes are still missing (Mystic Theurge PrC, Combat Reflexes Feat).

That, and IMHO the DA rulesystem might still face balance problems, and I dont like every detail (For example I dont like the fact we only have three starter classes, that dwarves cant be mages, and that you are practically forced to take 2 specializations, that specializations only give one single additional talent tree, the whole skills are totally screwed up, etc etc etc), it IS a solid basis to build upon.

[Astorax]

Biggest problem isn't the ruleset when you use another company's IP...it's their approval.



That's why games based on other IP take longer, are more prone to censorship, etc etc. Because the company making the game is beholden to the IP holder's whims as far as what goes into the game content-wise.

[royen1]

Meh, D&D is broken in so many ways. What's worse, since it was first, it's brokenness has influenced most other systems.