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[Marionetten]

Jowan gets to dabble in forbidden magic. Jowan gets to seduce the wide-eyed initiate. Jowan gets to discover a sinister plot against him. Jowan gets to destroy his phylactery. Jowan gets to one-up the templars with a display of awesomeness. Jowan gets to have a dramatic break-up sequence before escaping. All I got was this lousy hat.

So, I'm curious. Did anyone actually enjoy the mage origin?

[Minchandre]

I liked it a lot...though I did hate the character of Jowan. He's essentially completely unsympathetic. I was like, "So, we were good friends when we were younger...now you're a douchebag, engaged in forbidden love, asking me to risk my neck 'cause you can't make it. No."

[The Capital Gaultier]

Yes. I got to take some pre-emptive revenge (throwaway character just to play the origin) on Jowan and the Circle of Magi/Templars. Somehow, this is the one origin that I've played where you can really come off as an **** who knows more and outplays everyone.

[LdyShayna]

Minchandre wrote...

I liked it a lot...though I did hate the character of Jowan. He's essentially completely unsympathetic. I was like, "So, we were good friends when we were younger...now you're a douchebag, engaged in forbidden love, asking me to risk my neck 'cause you can't make it. No."

Then set him up by talking with Irving about Jowan's plans. 

[druidofwarp]

Marionetten wrote...

Jowan gets to dabble in forbidden magic. Jowan gets to seduce the wide-eyed initiate. Jowan gets to discover a sinister plot against him. Jowan gets to destroy his phylactery. Jowan gets to one-up the templars with a display of awesomeness. Jowan gets to have a dramatic break-up sequence before escaping. All I got was this lousy hat.

So, I'm curious. Did anyone actually enjoy the mage origin?

When you put it like that I completely rethought the origin. Heh at least im not tranquil.

[geoffsbg]

Marionetten wrote...

Jowan gets to dabble in forbidden magic. Jowan gets to seduce the wide-eyed initiate. Jowan gets to discover a sinister plot against him. Jowan gets to destroy his phylactery. Jowan gets to one-up the templars with a display of awesomeness. Jowan gets to have a dramatic break-up sequence before escaping. All I got was this lousy hat.

So, I'm curious. Did anyone actually enjoy the mage origin?

Haha, I see your point.

I like the origin a lot, but I do feel like it's a little tricky to role-play in some ways.  You have a wide open back-story that you can fill in yourself, so its one of few origins where you can really be frickin EVIL and it feels acceptable.  As a city elf or a Cousland, I can justify being pretty violent and bent on revenge, but it's pretty well established that you had people that loved and cared about you throughout your life, so I just can't justify being a downright scumbag, of the "sure, I'll sacrifice a room full of elves for ONE point of constitution" magnitude.  But as a mage?  Why not?  Maybe your parents were sadistic maniacs, and the act of blasting them into pieces was what gave you away as a mage?  Maybe you were endlessly hounded and tortured before getting to the tower? Maybe that's what drove you to excell - a desire for power so you can exact revenge on EVERYONE?  

I was thinking along these lines when I made my large, bald headed, angry looking, soon-to-be-murderous mage, and I got progressively more and more into the role as I passed the harrowing, and then.... there was Jowan.   Dude, I don't give a crap about you and "Lilly".  You've got to be kidding, right?  You're like the anti-me.  There's NO WAY my character would be your friend.  My character would light your frickin hair on fire and kick you down the stairs before talking to you.  Running to Irving and being a sneaky little tattle-tale isn't anywhere NEARLY bad enough for Jowan.  I wanted to make his head explode. 

While I'm at it, I also really really wish they made it possible to, in some way, DESTROY that annoying elf that tells you to get out of his light.  ARGH!!   Not being able to make him explode, or even just throw his stupid candle across the room, really put a kink in staying in character. 

Ok, so maybe I got a little TOO into the role.  It's Bioware's fault for making a game worthy of diving in deep.

[xxr]

I enjoyed telling on Jowan to the First Enchanter because he annoyed the ever loving bejeezus out of me. That is what I enjoyed about the mage origin. I was literally thrilled that I had the opportunity to wreck his plans -- I had no sympathy for him or his stupid girlfriend.

geoffsbg wrote...

There's NO WAY my character would be your friend.  My character would light your frickin hair on fire and kick you down the stairs before talking to you.  Running to Irving and being a sneaky little tattle-tale isn't anywhere NEARLY bad enough for Jowan.  I wanted to make his head explode. 

While I'm at it, I also really really wish they made it possible to, in some way, DESTROY that annoying elf that tells you to get out of his light.  ARGH!!   Not being able to make him explode, or even just throw his stupid candle across the room, really put a kink in staying in character. 

Ok, so maybe I got a little TOO into the role.  It's Bioware's fault for making a game worthy of diving in deep.

^This really made me laugh Approval +10 for throwing that elf's stupid candle across the room.

[menasure]

sure i liked the origin for evil play ... though that gives you some sort of natural disgust for your 'friend' Jowan at the same time because he's much too nice, whiney and a walking disaster... the last part is why i played along in his dangerous games: nothing like a good disaster waiting to happen for those magic control freaks of the circle who keep you imprisoned. yup it felt like an episode of prison break for me ... be it with less hardened criminals.

it is unsettling that only jowan gets to destroy his blood vial when you play along with the unholy couple though. Jowan can not even tie his laces (or at least not without breaking something else) but once you are busted all the npc's see him as the big evil and he finally proves that he's powerful while you are yet again the errant boy and the wannabee ... it's like bad karma for both jowan and you. he'll be the mighty blood mage prisoner with a far too good heart who can do nothing right and you'll be the errant boy who never gets what you are really looking for ... ok so you might get a hat along the way and even an 'artifact' staff -which is really not that great anyway- but your 'friend' never even bothers to pass his knowledge to you while that's surely the main reason why you would follow him later on in game lol.

Modifié par menasure, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:38 .

[Eonassassin]

LdyShayna wrote...

Minchandre wrote...

I liked it a lot...though I did hate the character of Jowan. He's essentially completely unsympathetic. I was like, "So, we were good friends when we were younger...now you're a douchebag, engaged in forbidden love, asking me to risk my neck 'cause you can't make it. No."

Then set him up by talking with Irving about Jowan's plans. 

I did and I still got in trouble >,< lol. I honestly didn't care that he was using blood magic, he is just a douche, only thinks of himself.
Jowan is on my list of top 3 most annoying characters in game!

[Maria Caliban]

geoffsbg wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Jowan gets to dabble in forbidden magic. Jowan gets to seduce the wide-eyed initiate. Jowan gets to discover a sinister plot against him. Jowan gets to destroy his phylactery. Jowan gets to one-up the templars with a display of awesomeness. Jowan gets to have a dramatic break-up sequence before escaping. All I got was this lousy hat.

So, I'm curious. Did anyone actually enjoy the mage origin?

Haha, I see your point.

...You've got to be kidding, right?  You're like the anti-me.  There's NO WAY my character would be your friend.  My character would light your frickin hair on fire and kick you down the stairs before talking to you.  Running to Irving and being a sneaky little tattle-tale isn't anywhere NEARLY bad enough for Jowan.  I wanted to make his head explode. 

And you illistrate why we won't get an origin as interestng as Jowans.

"No WAY would I dabble in forbidden magic."
"No WAY would I seduce Lily, I don't like girls/priests/nice people/her hair."
"No WAY would I destroy my phylcantory."
"No WAY would I fight the Templars."
"No WAY would I escape the Circle Tower."

It's one of the reasons I like the pre-defined Shepard in ME.

[Darth_Trethon]

^^^^phylcantory lol.......you must mean phylactery.

[I ReVaNChisT I]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

^^^^phylcantory lol.......you must mean phylactery.

really? i would not have guessed

anyways i thought the mage origin was much more interesting than  human nobel o0r city elf(havnt doen the others yet) but  they all acheive the purpose of makiking me feel more involved in the world, which i have found to be lacking in some other rpgs, hmm i wonder what they will do with the sequal in regard to origins?

[Darth_Trethon]

I ReVaNChisT I wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

^^^^phylcantory lol.......you must mean phylactery.

really? i would not have guessed

Well then I'm glad to have informed you.

[LynxAQ]

The annoying part about this origin, is it is ALL about Jowan and you just there as his lackey, side kick. I am the main character, it should be about MEE!!! Me me me me me!!

[Tirigon]

The best origin was city elf, in my opinion. But I liked the mage origin, too. I liked Iowan, too. I was biased because I had already known from earlier Playthrough that he is a Blood mage, and since I wanted that power too, well.....

However, I was really pissed and wanted to kill him when he escaped WITHOUT me and Lilly... Ungrateful bastard he is....

[mousestalker]

What I balk at is being hit with the plothammer so hard. With Jowan you can either rat him out to Irving or assist him in his stupid plot. You are not allowed to tell him to take a hike, which is the sensible and logical choice.

Jowan is exactly like the majority of criminal defendants I've met in my life. "I didn't mean it. I didn't do it. I want to make it better (now that I've been caught). And the means I'll use to make things better are the same means that got me in to trouble and are illegal in the first place. And I want you to help me implement my very poor choices."

No thanks. Why not jump in that really big lake out there?

The option I really want with Jowan is the ability to help him by kicking him in his decision making centers several times, hard.

Modifié par mousestalker, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:01 .

[Darth_Trethon]

LynxAQ wrote...

The annoying part about this origin, is it is ALL about Jowan and you just there as his lackey, side kick. I am the main character, it should be about MEE!!! Me me me me me!!

To be fair I think that Jowan was all too harshly punished for a couple or relatively easy to make mistakes.....he dabbled in blood magic because he knew they wanted to make him a tranquil and too earn his freedom along with the ability to be with the woman he loved.....who can seriously blame him for that? I can't. And then he trusted Loghain the Hero of River Dane......again that is not something that can really be held against him. Loghain was a national hero that saved Ferelden many times over....nobody could have guessed he'd turn traitor.....especially not Jowan who had been too busy running for his life.

I seriously wanted to pull the right of Conscription......may still be possible in DLC if he was handed over to the circle of magi and they haven't killed him yet or if you let him get away.

[Kreid]

I've played human noble, city elf and human mage, out of the three mage was definitely the weakest, human noble being the best, however, Jowan in a nice character better than let's say, Soris, so it's a bit of a dilemma, I liked Jowan but not the origin story itself which is quite ironic having account it mainly revolves around him.

[LynxAQ]

I agree with everything mousestalker said. The whole Jowa... errr.. mage origin is one big trip on the choo choo express. You are completely and utterly railroaded in this orgin with non-sensable choices and really bad writing to be blunt.



I would never have agreed to have even listened to his "proposition". Such bollocks.

[LynxAQ]

I think this origin would have been far better if YOU where the person about to be made tranquil etc, they could have weaved in the fade slightly different ofc in some other way. This game at the end of the day is about you and your choices and you being centre stage.



I don't wanna be some Jowan side kick.

[SeanMurphy2]

I felt the same way. I just wanted to ignore him and not get involved.

[Sparhawk]

I didn't mind the "plot hammer" so much as I did the way you had to solve it. I ratted on Jowan - trying to be the good guy and obey the rules. Yet we have to catch him in the act and I have to kill some sentries doing their job? Now that's what I didn't like.



Though I do admit it gives some insight into the mage / templar relationship. The head of the magi (can't recall his name) doesn't reveal to Gregoir (sp??) I was "helping" until after we exit the area. He really wanted to bring the templars down a notch w/ this one - and see some people killed in the process. Who's the "evil" one here?

[Kiln223]

Burn me at the stake but I actually thought Jowan was cool and that scene where he uses blood magic is freaking awesome...I was really hoping that he would be a possible companion later on.

[LynxAQ]

Kiln223 wrote...

Burn me at the stake but I actually thought Jowan was cool and that scene where he uses blood magic is freaking awesome...I was really hoping that he would be a possible companion later on.

Rally together my breathren! Grab your pitchforks and stakes, this disbeliever must burn!

Sorry I had to .

[Skellimancer]

I hated the guy and his whining.



I stitched them up good.