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[Herr Uhl]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Lily's hair has an ugly fringe. Yuck, who's her stylist? Seriously.

Senior Enchanter Sweeney, the maker bless that man.

[bobsmyuncle]

Jowan gets to do all the cool stuff, why can't I have a forbidden relationship with Cullen?

[SarEnyaDor]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Jowan gets to do all the cool stuff, why can't I have a forbidden relationship with Cullen?

One of two reasons -> Jowan has more testicular fortitude than Cullen, or Lilly is a way easier lay than Cullen, or probably a little of both.

[Herr Uhl]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Jowan gets to do all the cool stuff, why can't I have a forbidden relationship with Cullen?

Jowan is a sex-machine. It is his only good trait.

[Tirigon]

Tassiaw wrote...

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Jowan gets to do all the cool stuff, why can't I have a forbidden relationship with Cullen?

Man, I was so disappointed when I couldn't bring Cullen to my bed. Guy was cute, too bad about that whole raving lunacy thing...

No problem there, Lelianna is crazy too!!! Ok, he tries to kill you if you are a mage, but then, Zevran tries to kill you too and this makes it just more interesting! GO CULLEN!!!!
(just sad he´s not only crazy but ugly too  ;-p )

[andybuiadh]

I have had no desire to replay the Mage origin. To me, it is the second worst of all the origins.



Maybe I will do it agian, one day.

[cylriasilver]

I agree with the OP 100%. As a start to a hero’s tale, this is a horrible origin. It does very little to establish the hero and cares very little about who the hero is.



You don’t suffer any great loss. Lily ends up in jail, Jowen becomes a fugitive. They both lose the person they love. The PC basically gets fired from one crappy “job” and hired into another crappy “job”.

[bobsmyuncle]

cylriasilver wrote...

I agree with the OP 100%. As a start to a hero’s tale, this is a horrible origin. It does very little to establish the hero and cares very little about who the hero is.

You don’t suffer any great loss. Lily ends up in jail, Jowen becomes a fugitive. They both lose the person they love. The PC basically gets fired from one crappy “job” and hired into another crappy “job”.

I don't know, it did make me like the wardens. I got to flip the bird to Greagoir, I got a stay of execution, I got to go outside and blow things up, and when I finally do have to die I'll go underground and blow up more things. It's not a perfect life, but at least I'm not locked up writing essays for the rest of my existence.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Sparhawk wrote...

I didn't mind the "plot hammer" so much as I did the way you had to solve it. I ratted on Jowan - trying to be the good guy and obey the rules. Yet we have to catch him in the act and I have to kill some sentries doing their job? Now that's what I didn't like.

Were the sentries people?  It seemed to me that they were some kind of animates, especially the headless mages.

Never mind.  Been answered.

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 18 décembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[Agni108]

Jowan was also irritating to me from the beginning. So in Redcliffe, I suggested that he be executed... Moreover, I executed him myself, with a knife in the gut. Very satisfying in a morbid sort of way. Leliana didnt approve, but so what? I wasnt going to allow his disastrous decision making to endanger any other lives. I felt it was the right decision...his attempt to posion the Arl, if successful, would have placed Ferelden in the hands of Loghain, and the Blight would have destroyed the land--because no grey wardens would have been there in the end. Yes, he made a mistake, and like many death-row inmates, was repentant. But I wasnt going to allow him to make any more.

[Squiggles1334]

The more apostates in the world free of the clutches of the Chantry scam that is the Circle, the better, I say.

[Aracid]

The mage origin was my favorite, and maybe because I had a real big liking for magi in the first place. I'm also probably one of the only few who liked Jowan... though as my assassin I was crude to and executed him for the sake of staying in character, though I really didn't like doing so. x___o ...I wish he could replace that whine-ass Alistair......

[Nobody Important]

The mage origin was pretty awesome.





I wish they didn't cut Jowan being recruitable...

[alexandros777]

I would have loved to recruit Jowan if he could be hardened like Alistair or Leliana. As is, he annoyed me at times.



It seems the origin was more of him than the PC.

[Herr Uhl]

alexandros777 wrote...
It seems the origin was more of him than the PC.

I would argue that the Dhalish origin is just as little, if not less about the PC than [childhood friend dude].

I like the Origin as a whole, I feel that it is the biggest origin. The real downer is the lack  of motivation to follow Duncan if you do what Irving tells you.

[cylriasilver]

bobsmyuncle wrote...



I don't know, it did make me like the wardens. I got to flip the bird to Greagoir, I got a stay of execution, I got to go outside and blow things up, and when I finally do have to die I'll go underground and blow up more things. It's not a perfect life, but at least I'm not locked up writing essays for the rest of my existence.

My point is, that same story would work for any random mage in the tower, if Jowen would have gone to them first. Basically that’s the story of almost every mage who joins the Grey Wardens (except perhaps the execution part).



Greagoir has nothing personal against you, he acts that way to all mages except Irving.

All circle mages grow up in the tower, there is nothing special there.

It’d be a personal story if Greagoir did dislike you enough to deny you your harrowing and try to force you into becoming tranquil.

It’d be a personal story if someone who cared about you (and a possible love interest) warned you of your fate and tried to help you escape.

It’d be a personal story if rumors of you dabbling in forbidden magic caused your future to become uncertain.



This isn’t about how well someone likes Jowen’s origin. Is this a good opening chapter to an epic tale starring the PC?

If you reduced each origin to a one or two sentence rumor spreading across the land, the Mage origin is the only one in which the PC wouldn’t be mentioned. “Did you hear? A blood mage was discovered the tower. He killed a few templar’s and now he’s on the loose!”

[ChemicalGreen]

I agree with other posters who have said that it's extremely forced plotting if you decide to reveal Jowan's plan to Irving. You have done nothing more than your direct superior ordered you to do, and yet you're cast out? It would have made much more sense, plot wise, if they had added the third option to the Jowan storyline. Tell Irving... say nothing... or... tell Gregoir.



Think of it. The circle is pretty messed up place with mind games in abundance. If you play female mage, Cullen is in love with you, and it's not a particularly well kept secret in the tower either, everyone knows. And yet he is chosen to be your executioner if you should fail your Harrowing? And it is his first ever, to boot. Coincidence? Doooooon't think so. So clearly there is an element of head games and power to everything that happens in the tower. By allowing you to pick a faction (Irving vs Gregoir) the forced leaving after Jowan's treachery becomes much more plausible, since no matter which one you'd choose, the other faction leader would be pissed with you simply because you chose the other guy. Or you could say nothing, and get both of them pissed at you.



At least to me that sounds much more reasonable scenario than the one we're presented.

[Saurel]

Other than mouse, I didn't really enjoy the origin that much.

[thegreateski]

Saurel wrote...

Other than mouse, I didn't really enjoy the origin that much.

Yeah. . . I totally didn't see "that" coming



note to self: Never trust the helpful NPCs

[Saurel]

thegreateski wrote...

Saurel wrote...

Other than mouse, I didn't really enjoy the origin that much.

Yeah. . . I totally didn't see "that" coming



note to self: Never trust the helpful NPCs

I'm curious how obvious it would have been to me if I hadn't seen the mage origin preview trailer of him transforming into something larger...

I was kinda hoping it wouldn't happen.. but eh... I enjoyed our time pre-pride.

Modifié par Saurel, 18 décembre 2009 - 06:25 .

[druidofwarp]

too bad he cant possess you would make him tricking you more fun

[Saurel]

druidofwarp wrote...

too bad he cant possess you would make him tricking you more fun

Was he even trying? I wouldn't be surprised to find out he is actually a good spirit posing as a bad spirit.