218 réponses à ce sujet

[Anthropophobic]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Nope: Screened Questions for all! 

I get a crack out of that.  IRL most of the nerds who are passionate enough to desire making a big public scene about it in their head are too cowardly to actually do it when push comes to shove.  They get up there in front of a crowd and choke on their words.  The ones that do actually have the courage probably mostly know they have better things to do then even bother waiting in 2 hour lines going to any of the pannels since all it seems Bioware want to talk about these days is multiplayer and that ****ty anime and action figures and blah blah blah blah MERCHANDISING MERCHANDISING MERCHANDISING.  But I digress, point is they don't fake the QA's, consumers just suck at confrontation.  The internet is all talk, most people on these forums would be absolutely ashamed of themselves if they acted the same way in public, and I know you all know it.  So thats why any of these pannels Bioware goes to they never get many good critical questions. 

Eh, that's hardly the case. Haven't you ever seen videos of Blizzcon? People take every opportunity to tear into the devs for changes to their favorite World of Warcraft class or whatever; it's just that Blizz can take it.

You'd think at least some of the people passionate enough about the series to attend one of their panels or whatever at a comic book convention would be able to go all Red Shirt Guy on them.

[chemiclord]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Such as "Why did they decide to thematically change the series in the last 10 minutes of the game?"

I believe that wasn't the exact wording, but yes.

The problem with that question is that it inherently assumes a specific intent.  It's an accusation, not really a question.  The only answer Bioware could really provide is "We didn't change the series thematically", which would lead nowhere except further antagonizing.

It's possible that rewording it to, "What did you feel the main themes were through the series and how do they correspond to the ending?" would have made it through the screening process (although I have no idea if that is true; the only people who know what questions were cleared and what were rejected likely aren't talking about it).

[M Hedonist]

What about the teaser trailer that was shown at the panel? Any news on when the public will be able to see that?

[Lwyn]

Reddit AMA with actual developers instead of Merizan. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Modifié par Lwyn, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:53 .

[Arturia Pendragon]

Questions from the [very short] Q&A:

---------

1. Will you ever show female Turians in any of the DLC or anything?

Gamble: "That's not the first time we've been asked that, and we definitely take fan feedback to heart."

---------

2. Any chance of bringing in "past battles" like Krogan vs Rachni or something like that into some DLC?

Gamble: "We look at our entire IP and we look at places we can tell stories all the time, that's all I can really say about that."

---------

3. What's the deal with the kid and Shepard seeing him through the whole game?

Hepler said it was just to tie Shepard's story personally to Earth and the feeling of not being able to save the child.

---------

4. Any more Mass Effect comics, or maybe just a monthly ongoing series?

Priestly: "Part of BioWare is always wanting to expand our IP. Certainly the possiblity is open. Sylvia wrote Homeworlds #4"

---------

5. What's the motivation with the teaser survival of Shepard in one ending?

Sylvia: "We were looking at all the endings, and we were wondering if they were TOO bleak. For fans who scraped every last thing off the galaxy map, we wanted to give them a little beacon of hope."

"It was really hard to let go of Shepard for us too, so it was kinda just for us too."

Ley: "We did make it ambiguous on purpose..."
Hepler: "It could just be a last gasp before death, yeah."

---------

Source: NEWSarama

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

Hepler: "It could just be a last gasp before death, yeah."

That's interesting. Certainly could make discussions about destroy more heated.

[chemiclord]

Lwyn wrote...

Reddit AMA with actual developers instead of Merizan. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Picture the towering inferno of hate flame that would emerge if developers tried talking here.

Multiply that by about 40.

That's why it hasn't happened yet.

[LaughingDragon]

Everyone who was at the panel says during the QA segment the panelists looked afraid, described like "deer in headlights". lol.

they absolutely do not want to address any fan complaints directly.

Imagine a world where a studio stood behind their work and could stand up and address fan concerns head on? 

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:40 .

[chemiclord]

One person (with an admitted axe to grind) said that.

I wouldn't immediately assume that appraisal is exactly objective. Besides, if all the questions were pre-screened, what reason would they have to worry?

Modifié par chemiclord, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Everyone who was at the panel says during the QA segment the panelists looked afraid, described like "deer in headlights". lol.

they absolutely do not want to address any fan complaints directly.

Imagine a world where a studio stood behind their work and could stand up and address fan concerns head on? 

Really? "Everyone"? REALLY?

Yeah, you go ahead and imagine your world. I'll be imagining a world where fans addresed concerns rationally and respectfully, without vitriol and hyperbole. 

[ld1449]

chemiclord wrote...

Lwyn wrote...

Reddit AMA with actual developers instead of Merizan. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Picture the towering inferno of hate flame that would emerge if developers tried talking here.

Multiply that by about 40.

That's why it hasn't happened yet.

It has to happen at some point. Why not now? Will it be like DA2 that's admitted by nearly everyone a year later to be a failure where "Perhaps they should have done things differently"

Why not adress it now while the situation is still salvageable?

I highly doubt theres any real hatred. Anger sure, dissapointment sure. But ignoring the elephant in the room isn't gonna make it go away. At least not without taking half your customer base with it.

[Lwyn]

chemiclord wrote...

Lwyn wrote...

Reddit AMA with actual developers instead of Merizan. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Picture the towering inferno of hate flame that would emerge if developers tried talking here.

Multiply that by about 40.

That's why it hasn't happened yet.

BSN is not Reddit and r/masseffect is way more civil than BSN.
Also, a company that refuses to build it's community (by reaching out to it) will never have a good community.

Modifié par Lwyn, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:33 .

[Rolenka]

[Shepardtheshepard]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Did we get anything on why Starbrat exists?

Or why we can't save Thane despite everything ME2 built up to a cure.

Or why Jacob cheats on you regardless of anything you do?

Or why ALL of the Mass Effect 2 Romances are painfully screwed?

Or why we can't bring up the fact that EDI and Joker are COEXISTING or the fact that you made peace between the Quarians and the Geth to Starbrat?

Did we get ANYTHING productive out of SDCC at all?

2. I got quite the opposite. Everything seemed to hammer home the fact there wasn't going to be a cure or at the very least not till long after Thane died. (Note: Didn't romance) You can get him to start "living" again, but only in the sense of no longer moping about.
Besides, let's be honest here. You know that if in ME3 they DID give him a cure, it would be as a red herring for his life and Bioware would still kill him due to Kai's stabbing.

----------------------------

3. Because Jacob doesn't know the meaning of the word loyalty. Remember, this is the guy who was part of the alliance's mini-spectres and then abandoned them because there was still too much "red-tape". Only for him to join a known terrorist organisation instead, saying that while they're not without dodgyiness, at least they get the job done no matter what.
Next time we see him, Jacob's left Cerberus because they were trying to get the job done no matter what.. From what I can guess too, he quit long before the troop implants and never even suggested quiting in ME2, so it can't be over those events.

So you have a man who joined the space army with lots & lots of red-tape. He didn't like that but luckily he got bumped up to a division that had very little red-tape. He finds that tiny bit of red-tape far too annoying and quits for a rouge group that has none. He then quits said group....because of the lack of red-tape.   
All this shows me is Jacob is someone who goes wherever his mood takes him and certainly not someone I'd trust my private parts with.

----------------------------

4. Because Bioware had this wonderful idea of having "everyone can die" in ME2. While I understand people wanting all the ME2 guys & gals to have any role more than a cameo, they should of known it wasn't going to happen. Too many factors to work in effectively. Same way with squadmate usage on the VSs. I enjoy them both, but I didn't want them to be a squadmate again as it would mean....well exactly what we got. Not able to use them for a 3rd of the game and then all the do is tell you "it's nice to see you".
Bioware should of known the simple rule of "If you want someone to have a big role in future stories, don't kill them off!"       ........unless you send them to Cerberus and have a two year time skip.

----------------------------

5. Because he's secretly super jealous of Joker having EDI and still furious that neither Quarians or Geth offered him a free beach house for all his hard work.     

----------------------------

6. Daniel Byran found a gift for AJ, but that had nothing to with the Mass Effect panel which had nothing to offer us.

[-Skorpious-]

ld1449 wrote...

But ignoring the elephant in the room isn't gonna make it go away. At least not without taking half your customer base with it.

This is pretty much the only action Bioware could take (i.e admitting ME3's controversial reception) to convince me to support and purchase future Bioware games. They don't have to change the ending to suit my needs, but they should acknowledge that fans have a genuine reason to be upset with ME3 other than "a refusal too see Shepard's story end". 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:40 .

[LanceSolous13]

-Skorpious- wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

But ignoring the elephant in the room isn't gonna make it go away. At least not without taking half your customer base with it.

This is pretty much the only action Bioware could take (i.e admitting ME3's controversial reception) to convince me to support and purchase future Bioware games. They don't have to change the ending to suit my needs, but they should acknowledge that fans have a genuine reason to be upset with ME3 other than "a refusal too see Shepard's story end". 

Pretty much this. Sticking your thumbs in your ears and yelling isn't going to do anything productive.

[Doctoglethorpe]

devSin wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

But I digress, point is they don't fake the QA's, consumers just suck at confrontation.  The internet is all talk, most people on these forums would be absolutely ashamed of themselves if they acted the same way in public, and I know you all know it.  So thats why any of these pannels Bioware goes to they never get many good critical questions.

The questions were actually screened. People walked down the line and determined whether the question was appropriate or not (even a question about why there was a thematic disconnect between the ending and the rest of the game was apparently rejected as "inappropriate").

Almost all pannels at SDCC have people screening the questions to make sure they aren't vulgar or bull**** wastes of time.  Something done by SDCC themselves not the people holding the pannels.  I don't believe anybody was turned away for a simple question like that.  Call me not gullable.  People make that **** up all the time to get flames burning.

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:09 .

[LinksOcarina]

So uh...is their proof of these screened questions?

[katness]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

But ignoring the elephant in the room isn't gonna make it go away. At least not without taking half your customer base with it.

This is pretty much the only action Bioware could take (i.e admitting ME3's controversial reception) to convince me to support and purchase future Bioware games. They don't have to change the ending to suit my needs, but they should acknowledge that fans have a genuine reason to be upset with ME3 other than "a refusal too see Shepard's story end". 

Pretty much this. Sticking your thumbs in your ears and yelling isn't going to do anything productive.

An apology or admittance would be the only way for me to forgive them and begin to trust them again. The longer they wait, the more resentment and bitter the feelings will become.

[LanceSolous13]

katness wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

But ignoring the elephant in the room isn't gonna make it go away. At least not without taking half your customer base with it.

This is pretty much the only action Bioware could take (i.e admitting ME3's controversial reception) to convince me to support and purchase future Bioware games. They don't have to change the ending to suit my needs, but they should acknowledge that fans have a genuine reason to be upset with ME3 other than "a refusal too see Shepard's story end". 

Pretty much this. Sticking your thumbs in your ears and yelling isn't going to do anything productive.

An apology or admittance would be the only way for me to forgive them and begin to trust them again. The longer they wait, the more resentment and bitter the feelings will become.

Surprisingly, The situation IS STILL SALVAGEABLE. Just, the more you leave it sitting there, The more extensive the clean up would have to be.

[Reptilian Rob]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

Remember kids, if people don't ask the questions you want, they were obviously screened.

I'm sure they were to some extent.

But there WERE some "good" questions asked.  What I suspect were screened were questions that were blatantly intended not to ask a question, but simply to antagonize (an example of one such "question" that was really nothing more than a thinly veiled insult was relayed in the comic con thread).

Such as "Why did they decide to thematically change the series in the last 10 minutes of the game?"

Yep, that was my prof who got his question screened out in line. 

They told him that his question was "Not appropriate."

(FYI after the breath thing that Helper said, a lot of people sitting around me looked pretty pissed.)

[LanceSolous13]

I suppose the best question I can come up with that isn't some form of insult would be "What happened with the endings?" It sounds rather neutral to me and their reply would very well determine how fans are going to react.

[Peranor]

At least we got more ambiguity to fuel the speculations.

[LanceSolous13]

I really hope that was scarcasm...

[Conniving_Eagle]

LinksOcarina wrote...

So uh...is their proof of these screened questions?

Testimony from people who went to SDCC, like Reptillian Rob...