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So, Did we get ANYTHING from SDCC?


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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Remember when people complained about the Fallout:3 ending, and Bethesda decided to change it AND add a plethora of new content? Those were the good days. I Lol at the people who act like EC is unprecedented in gaming.


 For me I never knew they changed the ending to fallout 3 till I read it in these fourms. I beat the game and thought well that sucks. I put it on the shelf and never gave it a second thought.  Then again was my first fallout game and just assumed every main chacter must die in that series:P 

 In the end for me I would be happy if they took a stance stayed with that stance, Even if I do not like it I pefer it over stuff like, shepard may be alive,no dead.alive,no dead. :blink:

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What people mostly disliked about the endings hardly changed. We didn't need a clarification on Shepard's death or the consequences of choosing the one ambiguous option to live.


See, I'm not so sure about that. A lot of the rage fell silent once the ending got a lot happier and there was more closure for folks. It seems to support the idea that was what people were so worked up about.

It's still there sure, but nowhere near the magnitude it was.

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Yep, that was my prof who got his question screened out in line. 

They told him that his question was "Not appropriate."

(FYI after the breath thing that Helper said, a lot of people sitting around me looked pretty pissed.)


To be honest, it was a loaded question, and everyone in this thread should know that.  If the devs say they didn't change anything thematically, fans would rage because "Of course they're LYING TO US!" and if they said yes, the fans would just go "LOOK LOOK WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!"

It was a pointlessly antagonistic question.  The devs want to move past the endings.  They released the EC and it's all we're getting, we just have to deal.

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I know you haven't read that many novels/comics or watched that many movies/shows based on that statement.


I can guarantee I've read more novels and watched more movies and seen more shows than you have.

Yet you're acting like ME3 had the worst story or worst ending, which means you haven't broaden your horizons.

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hope all those multiplayer dudes keep on multiplaying...... yikes Mass Effect as a series is kinda dead now. good job agent EA.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Yep, that was my prof who got his question screened out in line. 

They told him that his question was "Not appropriate."

(FYI after the breath thing that Helper said, a lot of people sitting around me looked pretty pissed.)


To be honest, it was a loaded question, and everyone in this thread should know that.  If the devs say they didn't change anything thematically, fans would rage because "Of course they're LYING TO US!" and if they said yes, the fans would just go "LOOK LOOK WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!"

It was a pointlessly antagonistic question.  The devs want to move past the endings.  They released the EC and it's all we're getting, we just have to deal.


Continously ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room is the right thing to do, I guess.

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dorktainian wrote...

hope all those multiplayer dudes keep on multiplaying...... yikes Mass Effect as a series is kinda dead now. good job agent EA.


ME? What are you talking about? Your on the Gears of Effect forum right now, buddy.

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shurikenmanta wrote...


See, I'm not so sure about that. A lot of the rage fell silent once the ending got a lot happier and there was more closure for folks. It seems to support the idea that was what people were so worked up about.

It's still there sure, but nowhere near the magnitude it was.


I disagree personally. People got quiet because they basically hung up the spurs so to speak. EC was "the last straw" for alot of people. And also, try to think back on the day the EC came out. The forum was HAPPY back then, alot of people were hapy. Then after a day and a half those same hapy people came back after the EC giddiness wore off and realized that their primary concerns still hadn't been adressed.

Sure the EC made  a good chunk of the former Retake members go quiet but as I've said, theres a BIG BIG difference between resignation and satisfaction, and from where I'm sitting it looks like A LOT of the EC people who even bother to post here are more resigned than anything. Even the reviewers that hated the game that reviewed the EC when it came out basically chaled the review up to this.

"As far as polishing a turd goes, they really made this thing shine. But at the end of the day its still a turd and this ending is still dissapointing to what it could have been."

So yeah alot of people moved on and what's left is people for or against EC. And no matter what, the long and short of it is this, nearly every member still pissed at the endings will say that they have bought every Bioware DLC for Mass Effect 1 and 2, if not including DA:O as well.

And as it stands they do not see much point in purchasing DLC for ME3, a sentiment shared by a few pro EC people as well.

The long and short is Bioware HAS lost alot in this, they've GAINED nothingand they will continue to loose and not gain anything as long as the endings stay as is.

So yeah I really don't see the EC as having saved much of anything. Unless 55 to 60 percent of your core fans(Former fans:huh:??? by rough estimates I can gather on some polls) still pissed at you can be considered an acceptable drawback for the sake of so called art.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Continously ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room is the right thing to do, I guess.


Whether it's a proverbial elephant in the room is a matter of interpretation.  What fans need to get is that what we got is all we're going to get.  There's no point in harping on something that wasn't going to change significantly.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Remember when people complained about the Fallout:3 ending, and Bethesda decided to change it AND add a plethora of new content? Those were the good days. I Lol at the people who act like EC is unprecedented in gaming.

To be fair the ending in Fallout 3 was just an extendsion since it allowed you to free roam after Brotherhood of Steel missions.

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Continously ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room is the right thing to do, I guess.

Creating a problem just to form a witch hunt is useless especially when Bioware created ME not us. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .


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I just don't get why it's hard to close on a character without killing him off. It is possible to just say "That's it for his era -- Shepard's saga is closed. The new storylines will be on another timeline."


Because that would require quality writing. See it's easier to write a grim/dark ending than it is to write a believable ending where the main character in a story like this lives, and an ending that didn't involve crap like we got handed to us (five years and we got Starbrat + red, green or blue). "Promise her a mink coat but give her an Electrolux. You'll be glad you did." Which is essentially what they did.

It was pretty easy to do as you said. All that would have had to happen was to have a final mission where just when Shepard fires the last shot that kills the boss (whoever that was on the Citadel) on the level where they fire the crucible, they fire at Shepard, and it blows off Shepard's leg below the knee. Cutscene: Shepard drags her/himself to the firing station and fires the Crucible. End main story. Epilogue. Shepard's team contacts an medevac and they take Shepard to a hospital. Shepard is discharged with highest honors and receives a disability pension from both the Alliance and Council + a replacement limb. RETIRED -- go soak foot in sand and drink pina coladas. No Starbrat. No RBG ending. One ending. One main canon. Done.

Set next game in ME universe post war + 140 yrs. Shepard is dead. Now Shepard did have children so grandchild might be playable (Human or Asari), adopted Turian or Quarian.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I know you haven't read that many novels/comics or watched that many movies/shows based on that statement.


I can guarantee I've read more novels and watched more movies and seen more shows than you have.

Yet you're acting like ME3 had the worst story or worst ending, which means you haven't broaden your horizons.


Now here's a brilliant idea. We should all go play 1/10 reviewed games, watch half star movies and read discarded paperbacks found in the trash in a quest to make the ME3 ending seem better by comparison. That is the True Wisdom of Moving On.

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Honest to god OP, do you want like, getting "friendship" status with Thane to make him get cured from a terminal illness? It's also quite stupid and baffling that Shepard would offset hundreds-if not hundreds-of thousands of lives just to find a cure for a ill-drell, who happends to be his friend. That's nothing short of but a renegade act, and a stupid act regardless.

He's no doctor, he's not going to conjure some magical potion, there are bigger things at stake.

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Or just for the fun of it, if we're talking about role playing here, if you played a hetero femShep who didn't romance say Kaiden in ME1 because you weren't attracted to him, or took his advice about saving Ash "you know it's the right call" on Virmire, and had a romance with Jacob or Thane in ME2, you were pretty well hosed in ME3. You had no romance options. Thane dies (we were never expecting a cure), and Jacob dumped you for doctor leaving you with only lesbian affairs. Thank you BioWare.

The straight guys on the other hand were flush with options. This tells me what the target audience was.

In the interest of fairness, it would have been fun for a renegade femShep to fake a repair of one of the AA towers that caused Dr. Cole's shuttle to get hit by a Cerberus gunship, and of course no one would be the wiser. It would cost about 25 EMS points in the end which out of over 7500 is pretty negligible. (renegade +25)

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I love how people assume all panels screen out the thought questions when I saw 343i allowing someone to ask "why are you turning Halo 4" into a CoD clone multi player wise"....

cur the crap, Bioware wussed out

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Fingertrip wrote...

Honest to god OP, do you want like, getting "friendship" status with Thane to make him get cured from a terminal illness? It's also quite stupid and baffling that Shepard would offset hundreds-if not hundreds-of thousands of lives just to find a cure for a ill-drell, who happends to be his friend. That's nothing short of but a renegade act, and a stupid act regardless.

He's no doctor, he's not going to conjure some magical potion, there are bigger things at stake.


Er, may I remind you that curing the Genophage was probably hammered in even more that there wasn't a cure in both ME1 and ME2 and even in ME3, Primarch Victus states that a cure would be decades away. And, oh, look at that, Genophage is cured in ME3.

And, then, looking at Kepral's Syndrome (Which is retcon'd between games mind you), it is left in the more positive side that it can be cured and Thane can survive.

By the way, I'd say it would be more Paragon than Renegade. Renegades get the job done. They don't care what they have to do, Its done and done quick. A paragon stops to help the old lady cross the street in the process of getting said job done.

They could have simply come back to Thane in ME3 and he's recovering from the lung transplant. They didn't have to have a giant mission arc of finding a cure; one already existed.

And, lets see what Shepard does...Shepard spends Mass Effect 2 creating a relationship with his squadmates and clearing up the skeletons in the closets while thousands of human colonies are attacked so that they can latter pull of the Suicide Mission without anyone dieing. In Mass Effect 3, He spends his time collecting artifacts from random planets from random star systems and generally doing some things that you sort of wonder why Shepard is the one doing this stuff.

And, that's not the biggest issue here. They very well could kill him off, but they do so by making his death mandatory and ignoring his character development. That's a huge issue here.

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Or why we can't save Thane despite everything ME2 built up to a cure.

Where the heck did you pull that from?

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Or why we can't save Thane despite everything ME2 built up to a cure.

Where the heck did you pull that from?


Mass Effect 2. First conversation with Thane. He brings up a cure.
Mass Effect 2. Lair of the Shadow Broke. Secret Files on Thane. Cure is once again brought up.

How many times do I have to say it today?

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
In the interest of fairness, it would have been fun for a renegade femShep to fake a repair of one of the AA towers that caused Dr. Cole's shuttle to get hit by a Cerberus gunship, and of course no one would be the wiser. It would cost about 25 EMS points in the end which out of over 7500 is pretty negligible. (renegade +25)


Bioware would never have allowed an option, Renegade or otherwise, to murder a pregnant woman in a jealous rage, and rightfully so.

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shurikenmanta wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
In the interest of fairness, it would have been fun for a renegade femShep to fake a repair of one of the AA towers that caused Dr. Cole's shuttle to get hit by a Cerberus gunship, and of course no one would be the wiser. It would cost about 25 EMS points in the end which out of over 7500 is pretty negligible. (renegade +25)


Bioware would never have allowed an option, Renegade or otherwise, to murder a pregnant woman in a jealous rage, and rightfully so.


I think they were joking more than anything...A very poor joke though...

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
In the interest of fairness, it would have been fun for a renegade femShep to fake a repair of one of the AA towers that caused Dr. Cole's shuttle to get hit by a Cerberus gunship, and of course no one would be the wiser. It would cost about 25 EMS points in the end which out of over 7500 is pretty negligible. (renegade +25)


Bioware would never have allowed an option, Renegade or otherwise, to murder a pregnant woman in a jealous rage, and rightfully so.


I think they were joking more than anything...A very poor joke though...

Actually, I find it really funny teach Jacob a lesson for messing for default femshep. Posted Image

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dorktainian wrote...

hope all those multiplayer dudes keep on multiplaying...... yikes Mass Effect as a series is kinda dead now. good job agent EA.


Dafuq!?

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shurikenmanta wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
In the interest of fairness, it would have been fun for a renegade femShep to fake a repair of one of the AA towers that caused Dr. Cole's shuttle to get hit by a Cerberus gunship, and of course no one would be the wiser. It would cost about 25 EMS points in the end which out of over 7500 is pretty negligible. (renegade +25)


Bioware would never have allowed an option, Renegade or otherwise, to murder a pregnant woman in a jealous rage, and rightfully so.


Why not? A lot of the Renegade stuff in Mass Effect 3 is already pretty ****ed up.

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jreezy wrote...

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Or why we can't save Thane despite everything ME2 built up to a cure.

Where the heck did you pull that from?


Mass Effect 2. First conversation with Thane. He brings up a cure.

You mean that project the Hanar were working that hadn't actually seen any relevant results yet? Yeah that's not a cure if it isn't ready to actually cure people.

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I'm new to this party, so they didn't announce anything except MP dlc?