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[crimzontearz]

LPPrince wrote...

Leviathan will likely add new dialogue to the Catalyst section.

and probably change nothing really

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Leviathan will likely add new dialogue to the Catalyst section.

and probably change nothing really

Like every other DLC so far?

[Eterna]

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

People got the SP DLC for ME2 because the CORE game was good, DLC just added to it. The primary problem with the ME3 game is that the CORE game, with the ending it has is BAD and they're looking to DLC to "save it" a ****** poor buisness practice but Mass effect has a loyal enough fanbase that they would WANT the DLC to fix it and they would FORGIVE the original, out of box game for being bad, but only if their issues are adressed, and not "clarified"

Oh, so much this; I am of the same opinion.  W/o the ending, ME3 is actually a very good game to me.  With the ending, it drops to mediocre, approaching bad because it taints my enjoyment of the game.

Yes we know, the same thing is posted every 5 minutes, blah blah the ending is bad.

They won't release dlc that changes it and I assure you people will buy dlc regardless of that fact.

someone said the same thing about me saying I would not be buying DA2 on the grounds that it lacked NG+


 

 
I dare you to ask me if I stuck toy guns or not

I'm not reffering to the people complaining on the forums, I'm talking about the millions of other people who bought Mass effect 3.

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .

[AlanC9]

ld1449, the argument you're making isn't the one the OP made. But since it always comes up in these threads, might as well keep it going.

ld1449 wrote...
Lets give an estimate on saying 3 million sales on ME3, (Its more but I don't recall just how many the total number of sales were for last month.) since the game released judging by normal game return statistics you can already cut out 2 million people who have more or less returned the game or who simply don't or CANT buy DLC for lack of internet connection or whatever.

The italed group weren't going to buy DLC anyway, of course. As for the rest, how do ME3 returns differ from other games' returns? I haven't bothered to look at the figures. I.e., how much different is your "1 million hard core fans who would potentially buy DLC"  from the number of hard core fans who would potentially buy DLC for any other game that sold 3 million copies? I'll accept your 30% hit to that number in the absence of real data.

[crimzontearz]

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

People got the SP DLC for ME2 because the CORE game was good, DLC just added to it. The primary problem with the ME3 game is that the CORE game, with the ending it has is BAD and they're looking to DLC to "save it" a ****** poor buisness practice but Mass effect has a loyal enough fanbase that they would WANT the DLC to fix it and they would FORGIVE the original, out of box game for being bad, but only if their issues are adressed, and not "clarified"

Oh, so much this; I am of the same opinion.  W/o the ending, ME3 is actually a very good game to me.  With the ending, it drops to mediocre, approaching bad because it taints my enjoyment of the game.

Yes we know, the same thing is posted every 5 minutes, blah blah the ending is bad.

They won't release dlc that changes it and I assure you people will buy dlc regardless of that fact.

someone said the same thing about me saying I would not be buying DA2 on the grounds that it lacked NG+


 

 
I dare you to ask me if I stuck toy guns or not

I'm not reffering to the people complaining on the forums, I'm talking about the millions of other people who bought Mass effect 3.

whoops....apologies them

[blmlozz]

I am of the opinion that SP DLC will be a tough sell. The closer we get to something, or the more I think about it though, the more I begin to think.. 'Well, I might not buy it because I acutally care to retake Omega or investigate a repear controlling a mining colony. However, I might buy it because I get to spend some more time with my characters and forget that this is all irelevent for a few minuties'

Ultimately, if it has a good plot, good dialog and it's not some simplistic shooter scenario, I'd probably fold on the theory that 'this doesn't really matter, so I'm not buying it' real quick.

Certinally there's you tube for that kind of thinking, but it's not the same, it's just not. It's like watching your friend take your partner out on a date in your own skin. They look like you, talk like you, maybe they even know your own ticks or sayings, but you know it's not you.

Modifié par blmlozz, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:46 .

[Jadebaby]

easy solution, dlc missions don't give you war assests...

Umad?

[Xellith]

Meh. Youtube and other means are avaliable to see new content.

Not worth purchasing though.

[Podge 90]

77boy84 wrote...

ME2's DLC was (mostly) building up stuff for ME3. It actually had a point to the story.
ME3's DLC will just be irrelevant filler adventures. Who cares.

Well said, that man^^.  This is exactly my standpoint on the DLC issue.

The only DLC I will even consider buying for ME3 is something that is Miranda-centric.  But I doubt that'll happen.

[ld1449]

Eterna5 wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

People got the SP DLC for ME2 because the CORE game was good, DLC just added to it. The primary problem with the ME3 game is that the CORE game, with the ending it has is BAD and they're looking to DLC to "save it" a ****** poor buisness practice but Mass effect has a loyal enough fanbase that they would WANT the DLC to fix it and they would FORGIVE the original, out of box game for being bad, but only if their issues are adressed, and not "clarified"

Oh, so much this; I am of the same opinion.  W/o the ending, ME3 is actually a very good game to me.  With the ending, it drops to mediocre, approaching bad because it taints my enjoyment of the game.

Yes we know, the same thing is posted every 5 minutes, blah blah the ending is bad.

They won't release dlc that changes it and I assure you people will buy dlc regardless of that fact.

Like they did for DA2 right

[Eterna]

Podge 90 wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

ME2's DLC was (mostly) building up stuff for ME3. It actually had a point to the story.
ME3's DLC will just be irrelevant filler adventures. Who cares.

Well said, that man^^.  This is exactly my standpoint on the DLC issue.

The only DLC I will even consider buying for ME3 is something that is Miranda-centric.  But I doubt that'll happen.

Project overlord has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3.

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Leviathan will likely add new dialogue to the Catalyst section.

and probably change nothing really

Like every other DLC so far?

me1&2 had endings that made me want to replay the game immediately....every DLC added to the replay experience....ME3 ends with a kick in the balls pre-ec and with a middle finger post-ec....sooo yeah the only dlc that would have a point for me is a dlc that made me WANT to replay the game solving the problem I have with it

[Eterna]

ld1449 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

People got the SP DLC for ME2 because the CORE game was good, DLC just added to it. The primary problem with the ME3 game is that the CORE game, with the ending it has is BAD and they're looking to DLC to "save it" a ****** poor buisness practice but Mass effect has a loyal enough fanbase that they would WANT the DLC to fix it and they would FORGIVE the original, out of box game for being bad, but only if their issues are adressed, and not "clarified"

Oh, so much this; I am of the same opinion.  W/o the ending, ME3 is actually a very good game to me.  With the ending, it drops to mediocre, approaching bad because it taints my enjoyment of the game.

Yes we know, the same thing is posted every 5 minutes, blah blah the ending is bad.

They won't release dlc that changes it and I assure you people will buy dlc regardless of that fact.

Like they did for DA2 right

Dragon age 2 was a mediocre game, Mass Effect 3 is not.

[DistantUtopia]

Eterna5 wrote...

Project overlord has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3.

Thats funny. I thought I spoke with Dr. Archer in Jacob's mission in ME3?  Or did you mean that it had no impact to the story of ME3?

[Iakus]

DistantUtopia wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Project overlord has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3.

Thats funny. I thought I spoke with Dr. Archer in Jacob's mission in ME3?  Or did you mean that it had no impact to the story of ME3?

And I had a very touching scene with David at Grissom Academy.

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

ld1449, the argument you're making isn't the one the OP made. But since it always comes up in these threads, might as well keep it going.

ld1449 wrote...
Lets give an estimate on saying 3 million sales on ME3, (Its more but I don't recall just how many the total number of sales were for last month.) since the game released judging by normal game return statistics you can already cut out 2 million people who have more or less returned the game or who simply don't or CANT buy DLC for lack of internet connection or whatever.

The italed group weren't going to buy DLC anyway, of course. As for the rest, how do ME3 returns differ from other games' returns? I haven't bothered to look at the figures. I.e., how much different is your "1 million hard core fans who would potentially buy DLC"  from the number of hard core fans who would potentially buy DLC for any other game that sold 3 million copies? I'll accept your 30% hit to that number in the absence of real data.

Added them to justify why 2 million of 3 million sales wont be buying. On a statistic survey given about a year ago, DLC sales were shown to equal roughly around 1/4th or 1/3rd of original purchasers

I'm not sure how ME3's returns are because theres no way to really find out (At least I don't know of one) unless you work for gamestop but I'm sure they're worse than most. Its not often Amazon offers full refunds on a product due to client outrage.

But with the lack of data I decided to conform to the rough 2/3rds estimate normally given to most AAA title games on return sales.

And the difference between this group of 1 million hard core fans is that Theres still a good portion of them that are pissed off. That's why this one is different from hardcore fans of skyrim, or Assassins creed or Witcher ect ect ect.

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Leviathan will likely add new dialogue to the Catalyst section.

and probably change nothing really

Like every other DLC so far?

me1&2 had endings that made me want to replay the game immediately....every DLC added to the replay experience....ME3 ends with a kick in the balls pre-ec and with a middle finger post-ec....sooo yeah the only dlc that would have a point for me is a dlc that made me WANT to replay the game solving the problem I have with it

Forgive me if I'm going off-topic here, but what exactly would this DLC have to do to renew your interest in replaying the game? Completely change the ending or just add more to it? Or perhaps something else?

[ld1449]

Eterna5 wrote...



Dragon age 2 was a mediocre game, Mass Effect 3 is not.

Not according to a good chunk of the player base.

Even if you don't want to count the BSN go take a look on any IGN forums touching the subject, or Gameblender, or any gaming area period. The people dissapointed is not limited to BSN members as some pro enders seem to think.

And as dissapointing as or mediocre as DA2 was I don't remember Amazon offering full refunds on it. Or a "false advertising" complaint being filed against Bioware for it.

It was a dissapointing game but ME3 pissed off alot more people in alot bigger ways.

[Eterna]

DistantUtopia wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Project overlord has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3.

Thats funny. I thought I spoke with Dr. Archer in Jacob's mission in ME3?  Or did you mean that it had no impact to the story of ME3?

Yes, it had no part in the overall plot.

[Eterna]

ld1449 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Dragon age 2 was a mediocre game, Mass Effect 3 is not.

Not according to a good chunk of the player base.

Even if you don't want to count the BSN go take a look on any IGN forums touching the subject, or Gameblender, or any gaming area period. The people dissapointed is not limited to BSN members as some pro enders seem to think.

And as dissapointing as or mediocre as DA2 was I don't remember Amazon offering full refunds on it. Or a "false advertising" complaint being filed against Bioware for it.

It was a dissapointing game but ME3 pissed off alot more people in alot bigger ways.

That doesn't account for the millions of people who don't care and aren't complaining on the forums.

[blmlozz]

iakus wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Project overlord has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3.

Thats funny. I thought I spoke with Dr. Archer in Jacob's mission in ME3?  Or did you mean that it had no impact to the story of ME3?

And I had a very touching scene with David at Grissom Academy.

You also received EMS from Gavin (something small like 50-75 iirc), Legion also mentioned it in reference to entering the geth conceniousness, and if you want to *really* streach, you could say that there's context provided there for the control ending.

Yes, it had no part in the overall plot.

No DLC does this. At best (ie LOTSB) it provides a lot of background context for other events, how is Liara described as an information agent in ME3 without LOTSB again?.
 
Truthfully though, The core plot of the ME franchise is linear. You're simply provided the illusion of choice through the decisions you make. The distinction I believe is that where as DLC in ME2 was fluid in it's transision out of the core plot of ME2 and into ME 2.5 territory (Liara will acnkowledge completion of the collector base mission if you play LOTSB after this)  ME3 DLC will not have this same fluid nature. The story is over. You're playing for the sake of entertaining yourself slightly instead of a continuation of the story, so at this point I'm unsure how they're going to have this stuff work in a dead shepard setting post London that's believeable as they did with LOTSB. Otherwise you're saying that in order for this DLC to make sense you'll need to do a complete play-through from the begining. Sure people will buy it, but I have a feeling its going to feel dis-jointed.

Like the Levithithan. If all the reapers were destroyed just a few hours ago, wtf is this one doing here? I feel as though it's going to be difficult to let the imagination slip on that one.

Modifié par blmlozz, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[Jadebaby]

ld1449 wrote...

Like they did for DA2 right

What do u mean by that?

[ld1449]

Rovay wrote...



Forgive me if I'm going off-topic here, but what exactly would this DLC have to do to renew your interest in replaying the game? Completely change the ending or just add more to it? Or perhaps something else?

I know that the question isn't dirrected at me, so sorry for butting in. But I'm fairly certain that I can speak for most of the people still angry that the DLC should involve either

A) An entirely new option for how to end the game.

A legitimate refusal option based on EMS

C) Other.

Basically people don't want to deal with the starchild or his options (One of which makes so little sense I'd feel like Jar Jar binks could offer me the secrets of philosophy after hearing it a few times.)

[ld1449]

Eterna5 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Dragon age 2 was a mediocre game, Mass Effect 3 is not.

Not according to a good chunk of the player base.

Even if you don't want to count the BSN go take a look on any IGN forums touching the subject, or Gameblender, or any gaming area period. The people dissapointed is not limited to BSN members as some pro enders seem to think.

And as dissapointing as or mediocre as DA2 was I don't remember Amazon offering full refunds on it. Or a "false advertising" complaint being filed against Bioware for it.

It was a dissapointing game but ME3 pissed off alot more people in alot bigger ways.

That doesn't account for the millions of people who don't care and aren't complaining on the forums.

You think THOSE people will buy DLC? The people that either don't care either

A returned the game to get something new

B don't buy DLC

C returned the game after the EC was a dissapointment.

You have MAYBE a handful that were hapy with the vanila game, never complained and are ready to purchase DLC when it comes out.

For some reason a lot of arguments seem to center on "There are millions who bought the game who arent complaining" forgetting that its a two way street that people could not be complaining because they liked the game as is, or more than likely because they were dissapointed and simply returned the game to get something new. It works for both parties.

Modifié par ld1449, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:29 .

[Taboo]

I would totally **** out money for a Miranda DLC.

I won't lie.

MY WALLET IS READY.