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[adam1986shadow]

When it comes to Dragon Age 3? 

[LobselVith8]

After hearing that Dragon Age III will be more if Dragon Age II - bad paraphrasing and auto-lines, partly fixed protagonist, no control over your character's beliefs, fixed companion armor - I don't.

[Xilizhra]

I do, personally. In large part because, with apologies to LobselVith, I like voiced protagonists and dislike heavily involved inventory systems. Being a Seeker may be annoying, but I doubt it'll be a gamebreaker if I can still choose my own actions re. the mage war.

[whykikyouwhy]

Yes.

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I think they'll be on their toes, but I'm on the fence. I know what they are capable of, for better or for worse because of their previous titles. I have my fingers crossed that DA3 will be an amazing game, the ability to craft a great protagonist with the tools you have and great dynamic relationships with your companions. I hope that certain series long questions will be answered in a way that is satisfactory. All we can do now is put our heads together and hope for a miracle.

[ItsTheTruth]

No.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Too early to say. The PAX panel has me optimistic, but also cautious. They said they're going to fix a lot of the issues present in DA2. I don't have to tell you what those are, you should know if you've played the game.

The thing is, none of those issues should have been there. I could understand if they handed the game off to a different developer, but they didn't. It's hard to believe the same tean that made Origins also made DA2.

But as I've said before, I think there are internal problems at BioWare. This used to be a developer that specialized in a unique experience and did it better than just about everyone else. Now, they're all over the place and trying to please everyone with everything they do. You can't do that. I'd much rather have a dev that does something really well versus a dev that can do many things so-so.

Devs like Bethesda and Rockstar come to mind. They do what they do incredibly well and they stick with it. They improve it with each new addition and there's a certain level of expectation from their fanbase. They also understand their fanbase and don't try to alienate them on purpose just to gain fans who would otherwise not play their games.

But BioWare wants EVERYONE to play their games. Sorry, but it's just not gonna happen. You can't satisfy everyone without pissing off the fans you already have. You'll never have Call of Duty numbers, so you might as well give it up and just try to make a great game that BioWare fans will enjoy.

[MrCrabby]

No, but at least if they actually do a good job I will be happier than if I didn't have such low expectations in the first place.

[SafetyShattered]

Unfortunately I just don't know. Dragon Age Origins was an epic experience, I loved every second. Dragon Age 2.......not so much. It was good, but from Bioware I expect amazing. It was really the only Bioware game that I ever had mixed feelings on. And now that I'm hearing that we might be forced to play as a seeker in DA3 I'm even more worried. DA2 was ridiculed beyond belief for taking away something that made Bioware games great, choice. And they may plan on removing even more choice from the player. If they made the seeker a possible origin story or something like that I'd be more then content. But if they make me play from a fixed viewpoint then theres a fairly high possibility that I wouldn't buy it at all.

Like many others I'm so tired of Bioware trying to make everyone love their games. Some people love romancesin videogames, some people hate them. Some people love action oriented combat like DA2, others prefer the more tactical style of DAO. They aren't ever going to please everyone, they need to drop that line of thinking and go back to making games like they used to. Not everything is about drawing in new fans, you need to cater to pre-existing ones too.

[mp911]

50/50
they have the skills(dao) but look what they did with da2, it all depends if they think they can make easy money with not much effort
they're aware that da3 won't sell on the succes of da2 so it should be better than da2
i haven't play the ME games, but did they pleased the complains people had with me2 in me 3?

[eroeru]

LobselVith8 wrote...

After hearing that Dragon Age III will be more if Dragon Age II - bad paraphrasing and auto-lines, partly fixed protagonist, no control over your character's beliefs, fixed companion armor ETC - I don't.

("fixed") This. They are not the same Bioware anymore. Regardless, I'll look into it, and if III will be of a pleasant surprise, I'll definitely buy it.

Modifié par eroeru, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[addiction21]

eroeru wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

After hearing that Dragon Age III will be more if Dragon Age II - bad paraphrasing and auto-lines, partly fixed protagonist, no control over your character's beliefs, fixed companion armor ETC - I don't.

("fixed") This. They are not the same Bioware anymore. Regardless, I'll look into it, and if III will be of a pleasant surprise, I'll definitely buy it.

And what is this idealised version of BioWare you have?

The BioWare that made Shattered Steel?
The on that made MDK2?
Or the Baldurs Gate games?
Could it be the one that made Neverwinter Nights where they droped the group mechanic and were one of the first developers to push out DLC?
Or is it the BioWare that sold out to Lucas Arts to make a console RPG?
Or a ARPG?
The one that made the Sonic handheld RPG?
Or that once again sold out to Microsoft to make a console FPS interactive movie?
How about the one that made a spirtual succesor to Baldurs Gate that pushed media like ? A game that has more in common with DA2 then it has with Baldurs Gate?

Bad paraphrasing. Like paraphrasing or not aside can I borrow that time machine so I can see for myself that its bad.
Partly fixed protag? Like the Bhallspawn that must be a orphan that comes from CandleKeep and lets not forget Amoen no matter what you do in the first game joins you at the start of the second... I am Revan no matter what. Shepard will always be partly fixed. The Warden? Again partly fixed. You just get to choose which one.

My characters beliefes? http://social.biowar.../index/12890819

What my character believes extends beyond the religious. It also takes more then one line in one origin to build beliefs.
Also just saying "I do not believe in the maker" does not make a character a Athethist. Just like a Christian can say they do not believe in Zeus or Kali.
A persons beliefs extends far beyond accepting relgious dogma or not.

/rant

I have never had faith in BioWare to make a game I like. They have made many games that I like so I have kept a weathered  eye on them. I am not a fan of NWN, Jade Empire or the first Mass Effect game (I only finished it because I liked ME2) and DA2 is a game that did not meet my expectations of what to expect from BioWare. I enjoyed it and have played thru it but it is not the mechanics or features I find fault with. The lack of polish, and multiple act story that was disconnected and only felt like a partial story compared to their previous games, and the blatent reuse of maps.

[hero 2]

If you don't, you are wasting your time on this forum. Unless you're just here to bait people, in which case, welcome.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I'm kinda on the fence. I very, very much hope that they can, and will deliver, but I wouldn't be willing to bet much either way. Hope, wait and see.

[eroeru]

addiction21 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

After hearing that Dragon Age III will be more if Dragon Age II - bad paraphrasing and auto-lines, partly fixed protagonist, no control over your character's beliefs, fixed companion armor ETC - I don't.

("fixed") This. They are not the same Bioware anymore. Regardless, I'll look into it, and if III will be of a pleasant surprise, I'll definitely buy it.

And what is this idealised version of BioWare you have?

I was referring to the Bioware that made Baldur's Gate, Kotor and most evidently DA:O.

[Lavaeolus]

I believe it will be good. That's as far as my beliefs go. I don't know the extent of good, could be like DAII was good, or like Origins was super-good.

For the sake of not contamidating my view of the game with negativity, I'm hoping for the best. Both games had some really good elements to them, and I can imagine a merging of the two in my head. 'Tis kinda cool.

But I won't get my hopes too far up. Not until the game is in my hands and I'm playing it.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Faith? No

Hope? Sure.

[MrCrabby]

addiction21 wrote...
And what is this idealised version of BioWare you have?

The BioWare that made Shattered Steel?
The on that made MDK2?
Or the Baldurs Gate games?
Could it be the one that made Neverwinter Nights where they droped the group mechanic and were one of the first developers to push out DLC?
Or is it the BioWare that sold out to Lucas Arts to make a console RPG?
Or a ARPG?
The one that made the Sonic handheld RPG?
Or that once again sold out to Microsoft to make a console FPS interactive movie?
How about the one that made a spirtual succesor to Baldurs Gate that pushed media like ? A game that has more in common with DA2 then it has with Baldurs Gate?

Bad paraphrasing. Like paraphrasing or not aside can I borrow that time machine so I can see for myself that its bad.
Partly fixed protag? Like the Bhallspawn that must be a orphan that comes from CandleKeep and lets not forget Amoen no matter what you do in the first game joins you at the start of the second... I am Revan no matter what. Shepard will always be partly fixed. The Warden? Again partly fixed. You just get to choose which one.

My characters beliefes? http://social.biowar.../index/12890819

What my character believes extends beyond the religious. It also takes more then one line in one origin to build beliefs.
Also just saying "I do not believe in the maker" does not make a character a Athethist. Just like a Christian can say they do not believe in Zeus or Kali.
A persons beliefs extends far beyond accepting relgious dogma or not.

/rant

I have never had faith in BioWare to make a game I like. They have made many games that I like so I have kept a weathered  eye on them. I am not a fan of NWN, Jade Empire or the first Mass Effect game (I only finished it because I liked ME2) and DA2 is a game that did not meet my expectations of what to expect from BioWare. I enjoyed it and have played thru it but it is not the mechanics or features I find fault with. The lack of polish, and multiple act story that was disconnected and only felt like a partial story compared to their previous games, and the blatent reuse of maps.

Bioware made a console game? Good God!



Basically your post is "I like Bioware but hate pretty much everything they did."

I bet a shiney penny you hang out at the codex.

Modifié par MrCrabby, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[MichaelStuart]

I expect them to deliver on story, gameplay not so much.

I believe whatever Bioware does with Dragon Age 3 is only going to further dived the fan base.

[Iakus]

Definitely maybe.

I think they realize that people aren't too happy with the direction they've gone in the last couple of years. And while they're not going to roll back completely to the days of DAO, they're going to be extra careful with this next entry. How well they succeed remains to be seen.

[addiction21]

MrCrabby wrote...

Bioware made a console game?

Basically your post is "I like Bioware but hate pretty much everything they did."

I bet a shiney penny you hang out at the codex.

Yes they made console games. MDK 2 was made for Dreamcast, PC and PS2. Rereleased years latter on the Wii.
The there was Knights of the Old Republic which was console first and then ported to the PC.
Jade Empire was a Xbox exclusive lated ported to the PC.
Then they did the the Sonich the Hedghog RPG for the DS.
Then Mass Effect was another Xbox Exlusive to later be ported to the PC. One that was broken for many PC gamers untill they patched the galaxy map bug.

No my post is showing that BioWare has never stuck to anyone script.  That even within the same studio they change each game. That there is no one BioWare.

Also I despise RPG codex. Keep your penny I prefer waffles.

What I am tired of are people acting as if BioWare has ever followed some scrpit. There a games I like and some that I do not. The one thing all BioWare games have in common is that they are not the same. They might execute some things better then others. Others, me, you might find some examples of this in between games but they have never been the same each and every time. That includes the same studios and many of the same people.

And if anyone would take anything away from my ranting. DA2 I enjoyed but it was a far cry from what I would expect from BioWare and its average at best.

[LobselVith8]

addiction21 wrote...

A persons beliefs extend beyond accepting religious dogma or not.

Considering that the Andrastian Chantry is the only known religious organization in most human lands, the protagonist saying that he doesn't believe in the Maker is a valid option for an atheist, and your example of Zeus doesn't really work because that comparison would be more apt if the Cousland protagonist was talking about the Creators, rather than the only god that his current generation has had any exposure to. Also, dialogue with Leliana can have the protagonist address that he doesn't believe Andraste was the Prophet of the Maker. This type of freedom seems to be missing from Dragon Age II to give us a partly fixed protagonist.

Since the developers made it clear that Dragon Age II is the direction they are going with the next installment, I think it's a turn for the worst. It was pretty much a hack and slash game, with mages and templars serving as little more than one-dimensional caricatures. Hawke basically punched his way to the role of Champion, and I was expecting more. From what the developers have said, it will be more of the same we got in Dragon Age II.

[eroeru]

addiction21 wrote...

MrCrabby wrote...

Bioware made a console game?

Basically your post is "I like Bioware but hate pretty much everything they did."

I bet a shiney penny you hang out at the codex.

The one thing all BioWare games have in common is that they are not the same.

I can say just as well that the one thing all Bioware games have in common is that they have lots in common.
Not saying much really.

But what's really frustrating about DA ][ is that it is made out of much opposing principles to the ones they made DA:O with.

Modifié par eroeru, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:48 .

[wowpwnslol]

Do I have faith in vintage Bioware? Of course.

Do I have faith in EA?

Hell no

Since Bioware is a puppet whose strings are pulled by EA fat cats only interested in profit, I do not have faith in the "new" Bioware at all. They are a decent company, which bring decent action console "RPG's" to trigger happy 12 year olds, but they are no longer a proper company that makes classic RPG's designed for the thinking crowd.