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[BadJustice]

not sure to be honest.
I didn't enjoy Dragon Age 2 AT ALL. I finished Act 2 and I returned the game.
Mass Effect 3 isn't as good as Mass Effect 2 but I still thought it was a pretty d*mn good game.
But as long as they keep interesting party members and new environments I would buy

[KDD-0063]

By dictionary definition, faith means confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Faith is dangerous especially given the current trend. I'll believe it when I see it.

[adam1986shadow]

I'm also on the fence mainly due to Bioware's recent game list...

SWTOR and DA2 for one. That said I will buy DA3 with hope

[WotanAnubis]

Yes, I still have faith in Bioware, but it's getting increasingly harder to justify that faith.

I liked Dragon Age 2, on the whole. The endlessly recycled maps annoyed me (but not quite as much as the identical mini-maps), Act 3 was terribly unfinished and I was disappointed we never really got to see this 'mage underground' Anders kept going on about. Still, it was enjoyable enough.

Mass Effect 2 bored me to tears and Mass Effect 3 has failed to make a lasting impression on me - I tend to remember details from videogames pretty well, but ME3 is just a rather drab blur; I can recall specifics if I have to, but not the impact it made on me because it didn't. The only thing from that game I do remember vividly is walking around the Geth collective archives and watching their past.

Baldur's Gate 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins all helped make me a Bioware fan. DA2 convinced me that they really, really shouldn't rush a product to market. ME2&3 told me that Bioware should step away from the cover shooter genre.

So... since it seems DA3 will have a longer development time than DA2 and a Dragon Age game is unlikely to be littered with chest-high walls and convenient boxes, I suppose I could say I think there're good odds Dragon Age 3 will be good.

[cephasjames]

I wonder if BioWare, when told by EA to quickly pump out DA2, internally said, "The fans aren't going to like, EA, just you wait and see," but then went ahead and made DA2 like they were told to do. And now BioWare is able to point back at DA2 and say to EA, "See, we told you so," and now they will be able to make a game more in line with what BioWare wants.

[Uccio]

Not really. Its more 60/40 on the no side. DA2 was such a kick in the sack followed by ME3 mess that I have a really bad feeling about this possible game. At best I will wait and see reviews from other players here and elsewhere combined with youtube and then make up my decision weather or not to buy. One thing is for sure though, if the pc is a seeker then I will not buy the game, not even from discount box. Also I have no interest in "cinematic experiences", if I want to watch a movie I will rent one. I will not buy pixeled movie with occasional "yes" "no" option.

Modifié par Ukki, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[Maclimes]

I have faith in Bioware, but I lack faith in EA. Hopefully, EA lets the leash out a bit this time, and Bioware can do it right.

[Dwarva]

Interestingly I asked this exact same question on another Game Dev forum (not Bioware...) about 3 months ago and the answer was a resounding...maybe.

General consensus was that, given the issues DA2/ME3 have suffered people arent going to preorder but wait for a demo/user reviews. The agreement was that unless they brought back a lot of DAO and abandoned a lot of DA2, it's not going to be a launch day purchase.

Some people have also said they've written off Bioware which is a real shame. Understandably the people here on the BSN will be more 'loyal' but it was a shame that so many people were saying NO TO BIOWARE given the end of ME3.

Modifié par Staarbux, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .

[Uccio]

^ You know, the funny thing is that I have never been interested in these game forums. Not before DA2 that is. I was so shocked of the game that first I just wanted to write an email to Bioware to tell them how I felt about the changes. I was, however, forwarded here and here I have been ever since. ****ing away.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

cephasjames wrote...

I wonder if BioWare, when told by EA to quickly pump out DA2, internally said, "The fans aren't going to like, EA, just you wait and see," but then went ahead and made DA2 like they were told to do. And now BioWare is able to point back at DA2 and say to EA, "See, we told you so," and now they will be able to make a game more in line with what BioWare wants.

Do you honestly think EA would be willing to ****** off one of it's largest and most desirable developers? I don't think so. If you're a game publisher, it would be a a bad idea to bully the people responsible for making said games. Activision does that (or did that) with Infinity Ward and look what happened.

I believe that it's all on BioWare and they should take responsibility for it. And they have for the most part. I haven't seen them ever blame EA for their own shortcomings. They never blamed Microsoft for Mass Effect's problems, either.

[BubbleDncr]

As someone who loved both Origins and DA2, yes I have faith in Bioware.

Their only major offense recently, in my eyes, was the ending to ME3 - which they clearly have learned from.

[cephasjames]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

cephasjames wrote...

I wonder if BioWare, when told by EA to quickly pump out DA2, internally said, "The fans aren't going to like, EA, just you wait and see," but then went ahead and made DA2 like they were told to do. And now BioWare is able to point back at DA2 and say to EA, "See, we told you so," and now they will be able to make a game more in line with what BioWare wants.

Do you honestly think EA would be willing to ****** off one of it's largest and most desirable developers? I don't think so. If you're a game publisher, it would be a a bad idea to bully the people responsible for making said games. Activision does that (or did that) with Infinity Ward and look what happened.

I believe that it's all on BioWare and they should take responsibility for it. And they have for the most part. I haven't seen them ever blame EA for their own shortcomings. They never blamed Microsoft for Mass Effect's problems, either.

I don't think EA's intention was to ****** off BioWare, but at the same time history has shown that publishers push developers to produce games in ways and by means that developers may not agree with. Core Design stated many times that they did not like how Eidos forced them to pump out new Tomb Raiders every year or so. You even state another example.

Of course BioWare, while being owned by EA, is not going to blame EA. That would be silly.

[hussey 92]

Plaintiff wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I have faith in Bioware to deliver a game that I will enjoy.

I don't claim to know what anyone else wants, and I don't really care if they get it or not.

You should. 

TOR flopped, Mass Effect 3 was extremely controversial due to the ending, and DA2 didn't sell very well relative to DAO. EA has a habit of butchering companies for meat when they stop churning out hits. 

Accoding to the naysayers on this forum, the only way to "succeed" is to undo all the changes of DA2 and move backwards.

And if that's the case, then I don't want it, so it's no skin off my back if such a game succeeds or not. Why should I care about the welfare of a company that makes games I don't buy?

The drastic changes in DA2 were the problem so getting rid of them wouldn't be moving backwards.

Modifié par hussey 92, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .

[Darth Death]

easygame88 wrote...

Sadly no. They have made it clear on what their new direction is and it simply doesn't align with my preferences.

Took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

[TheShadowWolf911]

not really

[Plaintiff]

hussey 92 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I have faith in Bioware to deliver a game that I will enjoy.

I don't claim to know what anyone else wants, and I don't really care if they get it or not.

You should. 

TOR flopped, Mass Effect 3 was extremely controversial due to the ending, and DA2 didn't sell very well relative to DAO. EA has a habit of butchering companies for meat when they stop churning out hits. 

Accoding to the naysayers on this forum, the only way to "succeed" is to undo all the changes of DA2 and move backwards.

And if that's the case, then I don't want it, so it's no skin off my back if such a game succeeds or not. Why should I care about the welfare of a company that makes games I don't buy?

The drastic changes in DA2 were the problem so getting rid of them wouldn't be moving backwards.

Yes it would be. Progress is progress. When you undo progress, you move backwards.

I like the changes in DA2, so don't waste your time trying to convince me they're a problem, because they obviously aren't a problem for me. In fact, they fixed problems that I had with Origins. And they weren't 'drastic'. Most of them were very superficial.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:36 .

[Megavice]

Nope, i actually dont plan on buying it. Will be interested to see what happens but i'm done with Bioware really. I was starting to have issues with them before everything happened but after Dragon Age 2, SWTOR and Mass Effect 3. i just dont want to play their newer games anymore. Its not just because i think they are bad. Bioware dont seem to give a damn anymore with how rushed Dragon Age 2 was, day 1 DLC that was actually important to the game and how things have gone with SWTOR.

[Saberchic]

No.

After DA2 and ME3, I will no longer pre-order Bioware games. I'll be waiting on the forums for reviews before I spend my money.

[Androme]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Too early to say. The PAX panel has me optimistic, but also cautious. They said they're going to fix a lot of the issues present in DA2. I don't have to tell you what those are, you should know if you've played the game.

The thing is, none of those issues should have been there. I could understand if they handed the game off to a different developer, but they didn't. It's hard to believe the same tean that made Origins also made DA2.

But as I've said before, I think there are internal problems at BioWare. This used to be a developer that specialized in a unique experience and did it better than just about everyone else. Now, they're all over the place and trying to please everyone with everything they do. You can't do that. I'd much rather have a dev that does something really well versus a dev that can do many things so-so.

Devs like Bethesda and Rockstar come to mind. They do what they do incredibly well and they stick with it. They improve it with each new addition and there's a certain level of expectation from their fanbase. They also understand their fanbase and don't try to alienate them on purpose just to gain fans who would otherwise not play their games.

But BioWare wants EVERYONE to play their games. Sorry, but it's just not gonna happen. You can't satisfy everyone without pissing off the fans you already have. You'll never have Call of Duty numbers, so you might as well give it up and just try to make a great game that BioWare fans will enjoy.

[Androme]

nvm

Modifié par Androme, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:14 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Faith is blind trust or belief. I don't have faith in God and I deffinitely don't have it in companies made by men.

I do have positive expectations though in people or companies sometimes. I used to have those in Bioware because they deserved it by putting out a line of polished products. That expectation has been tarnished in my eyes. I hope Bioware puts out a good product, I'm just not expecting the next one to be worth it.

[ayelagin]

Darth Death wrote...

easygame88 wrote...
Sadly no. They have made it clear on what their new direction is and it simply doesn't align with my preferences.

Took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

+1. Could not say it better.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

cephasjames wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

cephasjames wrote...

I wonder if BioWare, when told by EA to quickly pump out DA2, internally said, "The fans aren't going to like, EA, just you wait and see," but then went ahead and made DA2 like they were told to do. And now BioWare is able to point back at DA2 and say to EA, "See, we told you so," and now they will be able to make a game more in line with what BioWare wants.

Do you honestly think EA would be willing to ****** off one of it's largest and most desirable developers? I don't think so. If you're a game publisher, it would be a a bad idea to bully the people responsible for making said games. Activision does that (or did that) with Infinity Ward and look what happened.

I believe that it's all on BioWare and they should take responsibility for it. And they have for the most part. I haven't seen them ever blame EA for their own shortcomings. They never blamed Microsoft for Mass Effect's problems, either.

I don't think EA's intention was to ****** off BioWare, but at the same time history has shown that publishers push developers to produce games in ways and by means that developers may not agree with. Core Design stated many times that they did not like how Eidos forced them to pump out new Tomb Raiders every year or so. You even state another example.

Of course BioWare, while being owned by EA, is not going to blame EA. That would be silly.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it clrearly does. However, there's no evidence that EA is bullying BioWare into making choices they otherwise would not. With other cases we have evidence to back it up. Not so here. Until we do, BioWare must take full responsibility for their failings, and like I said, they have... for the most part.

[Fallstar]

I have hope they'll spend more time on DA3 and that it will be better than DA2.

I do not have hope that it will be a game of Origins' calibre.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Nah. I don't hold my breath. I don't think we can expect anything new. It's more like they want to walk the middle of the road and want to be safe to make their shareholders happy. Given DA2, everything points to making games the most economical way. It's reasonable, because EA is not doing well since 2008. But it also means that the chance is slim that we can expect a game that reinvents or innovates the RPG genre. It will probably cut everything that smells like RPG from the game. I also expect less content, because of a MP component, which replaces side missions.