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[PainS]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Do I have faith in vintage Bioware? Of course.

Do I have faith in EA?

Hell no

Since Bioware is a puppet whose strings are pulled by EA fat cats only interested in profit, I do not have faith in the "new" Bioware at all. They are a decent company, which bring decent action console "RPG's" to trigger happy 12 year olds, but they are no longer a proper company that makes classic RPG's designed for the thinking crowd.

Yeah, somewhere down the road in the development of DA3, they just have to choose whether they want to make easy money, or actually take a risk to please fans.

[ShadyKat]

If this was asked 2 years ago, I would have said yes without a second thought......But as of today, I can't really say yes. I just don't like what Bioware is doing these days. They really seem like the "COD" crowd is more important then their core fans. I really hope they prove me wrong, and DA3 turns out to be great, but I really have my doubts.

[MagmaSaiyan]

i always had faith in Bioware despite never playing anything other than Origins and 2, what can i say i like their work.

Modifié par MagmaSaiyan, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Not particularly.

[Neo DrKefka]

No problem is like the Final Fantasy Series the old team is gone and the new one like the past couple of new teams who think they know better just end up making games that don't live up to the past.

For all those blaming EA let's just say right now EA is suffering more then Bioware. Bioware doesn't answer to the customers anymore thats why they call us "fans" it's EA who now funds Bioware. So now Bioware is taking on projects they feel like making and given little oversight because of how well they have done in the past pleasing the customers.

However when you take away oversight and accountability away from any business you have horrible customer service and bad service and products all together. It's like a place is going to turn into a DMV.

Staarbux wrote...

Interestingly I asked this exact same question on another Game Dev forum (not Bioware...) about 3 months ago and the answer was a resounding...maybe. 

General consensus was that, given the issues DA2/ME3 have suffered people arent going to preorder but wait for a demo/user reviews. The agreement was that unless they brought back a lot of DAO and abandoned a lot of DA2, it's not going to be a launch day purchase. 

Some people have also said they've written off Bioware which is a real shame. Understandably the people here on the BSN will be more 'loyal' but it was a shame that so many people were saying NO TO BIOWARE given the end of ME3.

 

I agree. I cancelled by pre-order of Mass Effect 3 just because of what happened during Dragon Age 2. I almost did not buy the game. 

The DEMO of Dragon Age II I thought it was the Demo not the real beginning of the game. I sort of expected the before and after but was thrust right into it.  As someone who typically pre-orders all Bioware Games.the way the staff here responded to all of us almost two years ago that was hard. It was very hard. But that made it easy to cancel my pre-order of Mass Effect 3.

When we stopped becoming customers and became 'fans' that's when Bioware lost us. The fault more or less is EA for not watching Bioware close enough and letting this happen. Bioware Austin is a reminder of the start of what is to come with Bioware.

Cause if it's gotten to the point where the CEO of EA is going to lose is job because of the major, major bad choices of Bioware and not knowing Bioware started to focus it's production of The Old Republic on the hardcore minority for the most expensive games ever made, more heads are going to roll.

It's just a matter of time.

Modifié par Neo DrKefka, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[Todd23]

No.

[EricHVela]

DA3? No.
Dragon Age: [some episode name]? Maybe.

They need to bring back some of the stylization and story flow that they had with Dragon Age: Origins. There were some improvements in DA2, but the soul of Dragon Age seemed lost when they changed the name to a number.

They also need to realize that Dragon Age should not be a Trilogy. A good story setting has many novels, none of them numbered.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

ReggarBlane wrote...

DA3? No.
Dragon Age: [some episode name]? Maybe.

They need to bring back some of the stylization and story flow that they had with Dragon Age: Origins. There were some improvements in DA2, but the soul of Dragon Age seemed lost when they changed the name to a number.

They also need to realize that Dragon Age should not be a Trilogy. A good story setting has many novels, none of them numbered.

I kept getting that feeling while playing the game. It just wasn't Dragon Age, to me.

[MagmaSaiyan]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

DA3? No.
Dragon Age: [some episode name]? Maybe.

They need to bring back some of the stylization and story flow that they had with Dragon Age: Origins. There were some improvements in DA2, but the soul of Dragon Age seemed lost when they changed the name to a number.

They also need to realize that Dragon Age should not be a Trilogy. A good story setting has many novels, none of them numbered.

I kept getting that feeling while playing the game. It just wasn't Dragon Age, to me.

just so you know Dragon Age is not  a Trilogy, hopefully you didnt come to that conclusion just because it was numbered, unless of course the sales actually become lower than DA2 then i guess 3 would be the last one.

[EricHVela]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

just so you know Dragon Age is not  a Trilogy, hopefully you didnt come to that conclusion just because it was numbered, unless of course the sales actually become lower than DA2 then i guess 3 would be the last one.

I can only think of two numbered series that survived past #3 (and immediately died once EA took over). Ultima through Ultima VII and Wing Commander through Wing Commander IV.

Then again, they weren't just numbered like the second Dragon Age. They had an extended title.
Ultima II: Revenge of the Enchantress
Ultima III: Exodus
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny (best one IMHO)
Ultima VI: The False Prophet
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
(Then, EA was in complete control and we got Pagan and Ascension, both lousy.)

Wing Commander II: Revenge of the Kilrathi
Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger
Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom (best one IMHO)
(Then, EA was in complete control and we got Prophecy which was lame and ended with a cliff-hanger that never received a conclusion.)

I know of many, many more series that barely survived to number 3 (no extended titles) and didn't survive past that at all. I know of many novel series that did well to their third book and beyond with success but didn't use a number on any of them.

It's not only a cosmetic thing. It's also a psychological one. Trilogies are chic. The number 3 ties itself heavily into the word "triology". When people see 3 on a title, they typically expect the end. (They actually did expect the end with Exodus and Heart of the Tiger.) I think that goes for producers (and possibly developers) as well. EA's history shows them to be quick to ax a project because of their own impression over the fans.

[Tinxa]

No, DA is not a trilogy so each game should be able to stand alone and basically the whole DA2 is just to prepare for the events of DA3. I hope the ME3 ending fiasco has taught them something.

The whole DA2 I kept expecting the story to finally catch up with the Varric interrogation and for us to learn what it was all about and at the end all you got was that Hawke went missing and there is trouble in the land.... The ending should be a proper one and show us how our companions are doing and how we have affected the world and the people like in DAO and NOT only there to tell us "OOOOH something is going on but you have to wait for DA3 to find out"
People went along with it I think, because we all knew DA3 will come and explain what's going on, but they got burned badly with ME3 because it was an end of the trilogy and people went beserk after they got red blue or green ending to a story spanning three games.

If the game has a crappy ending I just don't feel like playing it again. DA2 had other problems that I hope they will remove in DA3, but a good and satisfying ending is really important for me.

[wsandista]

No.

[Cadeym]

I have my doubts that BioWare can create as interesting a setting as the Forgotten Realms (Faerûn has so many good locations).

Aslong as BioWare refuses to take a stand we will have nothing more than speculations. We hardly know anything about the Qunari, we don't know anything about the elven empire and we know even less about the "maker" and the elven gods.

Without confirmation all we have is a stagnating world that attempt to mimic our own boring, depressing and unimaginative reality. How about letting Flemeth confirm the existance of the old gods.. why not even suggesting that she helped in getting rid of the old gods.

Why not hint that the maker either is the veil or is trapped in it?

Modifié par Mouseraider, 19 juillet 2012 - 05:04 .

[NeoVassal]

I have faith that Bioware wants to make good games and make us happy, but EA obviously doesn't. So I need a lot more reassurances before I even consider pre-ordering DA3, unfortunately.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Can't say I do.

[Dean_the_Young]

My faith has not been shaken... if only because I never put Bioware on the pedestal that so many others did.

Honestly, I've never seen Bioware give anything close to a near-perfect game, or a game without severe flaws to my enjoyment if I had a mind to look on them, and that's fine. Nothing's perfect. And of what Bioware does produce, in the same product I often find things I do enjoy quite a good deal.

Overall, my enjoyment with Bioware has consistently been net positive. So in that, I do have faith.

[NKKKK]

No

[CaptainBlackGold]

Faith is personally, too strong a word. Confidence in their decision making - well, I have to say I have lost a lot since the ending of ME 3. I never hated DA2 - but found it at best, a let down after DAO. The problem was that they changed things that did not need to be changed (elves appearance) - and added things that someone thought was "Awesome" which was just, well, tbh, silly (parachuting ninja's anyone).

Then, even after the enormous back-lash of forcing an "iconic" look on NPC's and their refusal to allow the player to decide how he wanted his companions to look - well, someone is making design decisions that certainly do not reflect the kind of game I want to play.

And when the Dev's do come on the boards to discuss/defend those design decisions (and I appreciate how difficult that must be) their ultimate answer comes across to me as "You will take what we give you and like it because WE know how to make great games."

So yes, I have lost confidence that Bioware will continue to make the kind of games I want to purchase. Maybe there has, is or will be a shake-up in the decision-making process. Maybe everyone already knows what went wrong and is determined to fix it in future titles but for many reasons cannot come right out and admit it here. Maybe they tried some things that did not work so well, but learned enough that the next game will be utterly amazing, mind blowing and (wait for it) truly "awesome."

But I am not per-ordering DA when it is announced - I will wait for user reviews. I will not buy a single piece of ME3 single-player DLC because the ending ruined the entire game for me. And I will not pay to play the Old Republic.

They have not lost a customer in me yet - but if they continue in their current direction, then I shall have to find some other games to spend my limited entertainment budget on.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Yes.

[Sylvius the Mad]

All faith is irrational.

[Vaeliorin]

Do I expect that they'll make a good game that I'll find enjoyable? Yes, as I've found every game of theirs that I've played enjoyable (so no Sonic or anything pre-BG.)

Do I expect them to return to making (great) RPGs? No.

[UpDownLeftRight]

Depends. Do I think they'll make a game that I'll have fun playing? Yes. Do I think their story/stories will truly stimulate me on an intellectual level? No.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I considered Bioware one of the best game companies. That said, I never did fanboy over them.

However, with ME2 and 3 and DA2, I've noticed a sharp decline in writing, consistency and gameplay and what little faith I had has been mostly drained.

[Darc_Requiem]

No. Bioware used to have to have the ability to read it's fan base. We can argue over why that's no longer the case, but ultimately that's the problem.

[Fredward]

Yesh.