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[Ryzaki]

Jacob...oh Jacob. For those poor FemSheps that romance him they get slapped in the face by the knowledge that not only has he not bothered trying to get in contact...but apparently he knocked up one of his coworkers.

...I just...disregarding the blatant character assassination (Uh...ME2 Jacob may have been a bit of an jerkass but he wasn't THAT much of a jerkass. If he had a problem he said it. Loudly.) why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI? And...where is this EVER foreshadowed?

I just...I don't get the train of thought that lead to them deciding to take the character in this direction and no it's not in character before anyone says it is. And if they needed to show infedility why not use one of MShep's NINE female LIs?  He can lose one with little to no trouble. Oh wait because that wouldn't be nice. So why do that to FemShep? Bleh.

[LanceSolous13]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jacob...oh Jacob. For those poor FemSheps that romance him they get slapped in the face by the knowledge that not only has he not bothered trying to get in contact...but apparently he knocked up one of his coworkers.

...I just...disregarding the blatant character assassination (Uh...ME2 Jacob may have been a bit of an jerkass but he wasn't THAT much of a jerkass. If he had a problem he said it. Loudly.) why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI? And...where is this EVER foreshadowed?

I just...I don't get the train of thought that lead to them deciding to take the character in this direction and no it's not in character before anyone says it is. And if they needed to show infedility why not use one of MShep's NINE female LIs?  He can lose one with little to no trouble. Oh wait because that wouldn't be nice. So why do that to FemShep? Bleh.

And then, if said Fem!Shep nuked Kaidan on Virmire, NO MALE LI FOR YOU!

[Most Definitely Sane]

Because straight women don't play Mass Effect! Only lesbians and men who find lesbians hot do!

In all honesty, I think they did it because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a meaningful romance, so they chose to screw over Femshep instead of Maleshep.

Modifié par Most Definitely Sane, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:08 .

[HK-90210]

I believe that this picture is in order, here...



And this isn't even MENTIONING Vega.....

[LanceSolous13]

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

[ADLegend21]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jacob...oh Jacob. For those poor FemSheps that romance him they get slapped in the face by the knowledge that not only has he not bothered trying to get in contact...but apparently he knocked up one of his coworkers.

...I just...disregarding the blatant character assassination (Uh...ME2 Jacob may have been a bit of an jerkass but he wasn't THAT much of a jerkass. If he had a problem he said it. Loudly.) why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI? And...where is this EVER foreshadowed?

I just...I don't get the train of thought that lead to them deciding to take the character in this direction and no it's not in character before anyone says it is. And if they needed to show infedility why not use one of MShep's NINE female LIs?  He can lose one with little to no trouble. Oh wait because that wouldn't be nice. So why do that to FemShep? Bleh.

You echo all Jacob fans. How they got Me3 Jacob from this guy is beyond me.

[HK-90210]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Ummmm...Kaidan can.

Edit: And Ashley *facesmack*

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:19 .

[Most Definitely Sane]

CastonFolarus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Ummmm...Kaidan can.

I think Lance meant that it's possible that the player is unable to romance them.

[Shaleist]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Ummmm...Kaidan can.

I think Lance meant that it's possible that the player is unable to romance them.

Via deaths or the player just starting on ME3 right?

[Most Definitely Sane]

Shaleist wrote...

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Ummmm...Kaidan can.

I think Lance meant that it's possible that the player is unable to romance them.

Via deaths or the player just starting on ME3 right?

Or not romancing them in ME2, yeah.

[LanceSolous13]

I was pointing out that, should a Fem!Shep have romanced Thane in ME2 and saved Ashley in ME1, There aren't any male LIs in the game for them.

[Ghost]

CastonFolarus wrote...

I believe that this picture is in order, here...



And this isn't even MENTIONING Vega.....

I wouldn't really count any of the ME2 LI's.

[Ghost]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Kaidan and Ashley can.

[Rikketik]

why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI?

You can also turn it around: why do you link Jacob's behavior (cheating and accidentally getting another woman pregnant) to the color of his skin?

I agree with everything else you say, though. I wouldn't have minded if he hooked up with that Cole person if you hadn't romanced him in ME2, but if you did, he should just stayed faithful. The "I spend a few months at the beach" part also bothered me. I think it would have been much better if they let him protect those scientists more or less from the moment Shepard turned herself in. It's in-character (I see Jacob as a person very loyal to the people he has worked with and who need his help) and you immediately have a good reason why he couldn't visit Shepard.

[HK-90210]

Well, by those standards, the only non-female LI available for every Shep, in every playthrough, is Liara, and her 'maleness' is tenuous to the point of hilarity.

But other than Liara, every other LI is negotionable based on player choice(Even Cortez/Samantha, since the player chooses the gender, afterall). But that is part of the problem: With Jacob/Thane, there player choice is taken away in ME3. Jacob cheats and leaves, and Thane dies, and there is absolutely nothing a player can do to avoid either event. It wouldn't bother me QUITE as much if MaleShep had gotten similar treatment to match(Though it would ****** me off ROYALLY if us Mirandamancers got screwed over).

But the clear undercut of FemShep romances seems to fly in the face of everything Bioware has said about treating MaleShep/FemShep equally.  And making James Vega such an appealing option(They even said he was meant to appeal to their female fanbase), giving him all those flirty lines, and then not making him a LI. It just sort of....douchey, what Bioware did to FemShep in ME3, romance-wise.

Plus, it makes me feel bitter towards romancing Garrus and Kaidan, who by all accounts have, IMO, the best romances in the game. I don't like feeling like that, no more than I like getting that sinking feelign in my gut when I do Jacob's ME3 mission, no matter what playthrough. That mission holds some bad memories for me, when I saw one of my favorite characters from ME2 be turned into an unrecognizable non-Reaper husk in just one romance playthrough. THAT's the kind of feeling you wanted to give your fans, Bioware?

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[LanceSolous13]

Ghost1017 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Kaidan and Ashley can.

Not in every playthough. They're presence isn't constant in every game because they can die on Virmire. Fem!Shep romances no one in ME2 and saved Ash in ME1, she has no male LI to choose from.

[Ryzaki]

Rikketik wrote...

why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI?

You can also turn it around: why do you link Jacob's behavior (cheating and accidentally getting another woman pregnant) to the color of his skin?

I agree with everything else you say, though. I wouldn't have minded if he hooked up with that Cole person if you hadn't romanced him in ME2, but if you did, he should just stayed faithful. The "I spend a few months at the beach" part also bothered me. I think it would have been much better if they let him protect those scientists more or less from the moment Shepard turned herself in. It's in-character (I see Jacob as a person very loyal to the people he has worked with and who need his help) and you immediately have a good reason why he couldn't visit Shepard.

Because it's a well known black sterotype that I'm sick to death of seeing and it's vastly out of character for Jacob. They bent his character and made him conform to a sterotype in the process (He does have the minor plus of not ditching said baby momma at the very least.) <_<

And yeah agreed with the last bit.

[Shaleist]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Or not romancing them in ME2, yeah.

Guess that wouldn't occur to me, but hit the Thane/Jacob mancers right in the junk.  Lady junk.. ummmm... I'll stop while I'm ahead.

[ADLegend21]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI?

You can also turn it around: why do you link Jacob's behavior (cheating and accidentally getting another woman pregnant) to the color of his skin?

I agree with everything else you say, though. I wouldn't have minded if he hooked up with that Cole person if you hadn't romanced him in ME2, but if you did, he should just stayed faithful. The "I spend a few months at the beach" part also bothered me. I think it would have been much better if they let him protect those scientists more or less from the moment Shepard turned herself in. It's in-character (I see Jacob as a person very loyal to the people he has worked with and who need his help) and you immediately have a good reason why he couldn't visit Shepard.

Because it's a well known black sterotype that I'm sick to death of seeing and it's vastly out of character for Jacob. They bent his character and made him conform to a sterotype in the process (He does have the minor plus of not ditching said baby momma at the very least.) <_<

And yeah agreed with the last bit.

Black guy here, yeah having the lone black LI cheat and get said "side chick" pregnant is low and is one of the worst stereotypes associated with the skin color. Every other LI "waits" for sHeaprd while they're incarcerated, but Jacob can't be arsed to? this dude waited for Shepard to be revived from death to serve under her but he can't wait for her to get out of Alliance time out? BS.

[Ghost]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I really wish that picture outlined the fact that Miranda, Tali, Jack, Garrus, Kelly, Ashley, and Kaidan can't be romanced at anytime in ME3 on any playthrough.

Kaidan and Ashley can.

Not in every playthough. They're presence isn't constant in every game because they can die on Virmire. Fem!Shep romances no one in ME2 and saved Ash in ME1, she has no male LI to choose from.

You can still choose Kaidan to live if you do a new non-imported save.

[Jilinna]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Jacob...oh Jacob. For those poor FemSheps that romance him they get slapped in the face by the knowledge that not only has he not bothered trying to get in contact...but apparently he knocked up one of his coworkers.

...I just...disregarding the blatant character assassination (Uh...ME2 Jacob may have been a bit of an jerkass but he wasn't THAT much of a jerkass. If he had a problem he said it. Loudly.) why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI? And...where is this EVER foreshadowed?

I just...I don't get the train of thought that lead to them deciding to take the character in this direction and no it's not in character before anyone says it is. And if they needed to show infedility why not use one of MShep's NINE female LIs?  He can lose one with little to no trouble. Oh wait because that wouldn't be nice. So why do that to FemShep? Bleh.

And then, if said Fem!Shep nuked Kaidan on Virmire, NO MALE LI FOR YOU!

Yeah, that was my second playthrough. My import femshep was left with no male LI's by the end of ME3 only Liara and Samantha and I was not impressed. Yes it is partially my fault, but Bioware had told fan's there would be new LI's in ME3 and I just assumed there would be a new Male LI for femshep. I assumed wrong obviously.

I think what hurt them is they bit off more than they could chew. They should of made less LI's if they were not all going to be treated equally in terms of content.

@ADLegend21- That music video was really well done and incredibly sweet! But at the same time bitter sweet. Makes me remember Jacob as he was in ME2 and reminds me of what they did to him in ME3 *shudders*. Thinking about the treatment femshep got with her LI's just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Modifié par Jilinna, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:44 .

[Mr.House]

CastonFolarus wrote...

I believe that this picture is in order, here...



And this isn't even MENTIONING Vega.....

Content is what is important, not numbers. Kaidan and Garrus had more and better content then Miranda, Kelly, Jack and Ash. Allers has very little content so if she is included, you might as well include Vega. Sam and Steve are not squadmates and have less content then the ME3 squad LIs.

Also Thane should not have an X, yes he dies but you still have romance content, you still get a kiss scene and implied sex, you still get romance dialogect. The only person on that chart that should have an X is Jacob because the writer has no clue what they where doing. I didn;t like Jacob in ME2, but in ME3 I just went

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

I'll admit, when I first met back up with Jacob in ME3, I didn't really think much of it because I, being a MShep, didn't romance him. I even thought, "Good for you Jacob."
But then, I think it was during Priority: Rannoch, my mind just randomly wandered to the fact that Jacob was a possible LI in ME2, and I was like, "Oh no. Did they really...Oh no." I felt, and still feel, really bad for anyone who romanced him in ME2. It's just like, seriously? What the hell?
And then how the romance with Thane got screwed over...I just feel really bad for femShep.