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[CroGamer002]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

And Chris Priestly had the nerve to say I should pm him about this matter where as he of course would tell me why they decided to do it this way but did I ever get an answer? Nope!

Well, it is coming for a guy who said to Thane fans this:

[Ryzaki]

Wow classy.

[kevchy]

Mesina2 wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

And Chris Priestly had the nerve to say I should pm him about this matter where as he of course would tell me why they decided to do it this way but did I ever get an answer? Nope!

Well, it is coming for a guy who said to Thane fans this:

.....wow.

[Kataphrut94]

If Jacob hadn't been romanceable in ME2, there would never have been a problem. I've never romanced him myself (though people tell me I'm not missing much), but the times I've interacted with him in Mass Effect 3 seeing him finding his place with Brynn and the ex-Cerberus scientists made me really come to care about the guy.

He's still the same disciplined, slightly ordinary man of principle we knew and unfairly dismissed in Mass Effect 2, plus he gets to be a dad his kid can look up to. It's just a shame knowing elswhere on the disk there's a version of Jacob that's a big cheating bastard. It's just a case of them writing themselves into a corner by making him a love interest in ME2.

[LanceSolous13]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

If Jacob hadn't been romanceable in ME2, there would never have been a problem. I've never romanced him myself (though people tell me I'm not missing much), but the times I've interacted with him in Mass Effect 3 seeing him finding his place with Brynn and the ex-Cerberus scientists made me really come to care about the guy.

He's still the same disciplined, slightly ordinary man of principle we knew and unfairly dismissed in Mass Effect 2, plus he gets to be a dad his kid can look up to. It's just a shame knowing elswhere on the disk there's a version of Jacob that's a big cheating bastard. It's just a case of them writing themselves into a corner by making him a love interest in ME2.

Exactly, I don't mind it on my canon Shep who, obviously, didn't romance him because my canon Shep is a dude. But, They very well could have written a completely different version of the area if Jacob was romanced. Like Bryn hitting on Jacob and Jacob pushing her back ete. Should you break off the romance, Jacob goes after Brynn.

[grey_wind]

The cheating aspect may be the biggest problem with Jacob, but it's far from the only one. He's basically a caricature of his ME2 self. Just because he wasn't popular, it seems BioWare just raised their arms and said screw it when they had to write a character arc for him.

In ME2, Jacob tells you about how he was a Corsair Captain for the Allaince Navy, revealing some interesting new info on the Alliance and himself while justifying why he's one of the only 3 characters capable of leading a squad. He's the most emotionally stable of your squadmates, and while he's not above bending the rules, he has a very strong moral compass which is doubly reinforced when he encounters his father and sees what a monster Ronald Taylor has become.
Hell, there's even an awesome bit of foreshadowing where Samara tells you "events will either forge [Jacob] into a great man or utterly destroy him".

Come ME3, rather than taking up a position of leadership, rather than setting out on a path that would either lead to greatness or doom, Jacob is transformed into a glorified bodyguard for a bunch of useless scientists (that the game for some reason insists are useful) and all his strengths as a character are completely ignored in order to keep him in this idiotic position. And when you play as a FemShep who romanced him, Jacob's moral compass and all the life lessons he learned from his experience with his father are also thrown out the airlock.

Jacob may have been the least popular character from ME2, but he deserved a lot better.

Though to be fair, nearly every ME2 character became a caricature of themselves. The effect was more pronounced on Jacob than most, I guess.

[CroGamer002]

grey_wind wrote...

The cheating aspect may be the biggest problem with Jacob, but it's far from the only one. He's basically a caricature of his ME2 self. Just because he wasn't popular, it seems BioWare just raised their arms and said screw it when they had to write a character arc for him.

In ME2, Jacob tells you about how he was a Corsair Captain for the Allaince Navy, revealing some interesting new info on the Alliance and himself while justifying why he's one of the only 3 characters capable of leading a squad. He's the most emotionally stable of your squadmates, and while he's not above bending the rules, he has a very strong moral compass which is doubly reinforced when he encounters his father and sees what a monster Ronald Taylor has become.
Hell, there's even an awesome bit of foreshadowing where Samara tells you "events will either forge [Jacob] into a great man or utterly destroy him".

Come ME3, rather than taking up a position of leadership, rather than setting out on a path that would either lead to greatness or doom, Jacob is transformed into a glorified bodyguard for a bunch of useless scientists (that the game for some reason insists are useful) and all his strengths as a character are completely ignored in order to keep him in this idiotic position. And when you play as a FemShep who romanced him, Jacob's moral compass and all the life lessons he learned from his experience with his father are also thrown out the airlock.

Jacob may have been the least popular character from ME2, but he deserved a lot better.

Though to be fair, nearly every ME2 character became a caricature of themselves. The effect was more pronounced on Jacob than most, I guess.

This!

[Patchwork]

I barely spoke to Jacob in ME2 because FemShep's VA is off-putting but I dread his mission in ME3. It's just knowing that if I had romanced him he's nothing but a cheating scumbag and Brynn not only rubs your face in it but later you get him telling you she wants to name the kid Shepard!

Jacob may not be the most popular romance but how difficult would it have been to have a romanced version where he doesn't cheat and he and ladyHawke are just friends?

[revan11exile]

Bioware did it because so many people already hated on him and they were like F it!Sad because i had high hopes for my FemShep and Jacob.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Not a single "priiiize" joke?

Not sure if proud or disappointed.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:04 .

[vjellu]

CastonFolarus wrote...

I believe that this picture is in order, here...



And this isn't even MENTIONING Vega.....

Well. If minority plays fshep doesn't it automatically mean bioware does more for mshep the canon choice?

[The Uncanny]

vjellu wrote...

Well. If minority plays fshep doesn't it automatically mean bioware does more for mshep the canon choice?

There is no 'canon choice'.

Chris Priestly wrote…

There is NO canon Shepard. It is up to the individual players to create their own Shepards.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[CrazyRah]

grey_wind wrote...

The cheating aspect may be the biggest problem with Jacob, but it's far from the only one. He's basically a caricature of his ME2 self. Just because he wasn't popular, it seems BioWare just raised their arms and said screw it when they had to write a character arc for him.

In ME2, Jacob tells you about how he was a Corsair Captain for the Allaince Navy, revealing some interesting new info on the Alliance and himself while justifying why he's one of the only 3 characters capable of leading a squad. He's the most emotionally stable of your squadmates, and while he's not above bending the rules, he has a very strong moral compass which is doubly reinforced when he encounters his father and sees what a monster Ronald Taylor has become.
Hell, there's even an awesome bit of foreshadowing where Samara tells you "events will either forge [Jacob] into a great man or utterly destroy him".

Come ME3, rather than taking up a position of leadership, rather than setting out on a path that would either lead to greatness or doom, Jacob is transformed into a glorified bodyguard for a bunch of useless scientists (that the game for some reason insists are useful) and all his strengths as a character are completely ignored in order to keep him in this idiotic position. And when you play as a FemShep who romanced him, Jacob's moral compass and all the life lessons he learned from his experience with his father are also thrown out the airlock.

Jacob may have been the least popular character from ME2, but he deserved a lot better.

Though to be fair, nearly every ME2 character became a caricature of themselves. The effect was more pronounced on Jacob than most, I guess.

QFT! So much this

[jahaa]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well, it is coming for a guy who said to Thane fans this

That may sound inappropiate but what do you expect from him after months of negative comments?
He is human after all and one bad tweet won't ruin all his good work on Bioware.

[FoggyFishburne]

Here's my opinion as real life straight male playing as a in-game straight male, for whatever it's worth:

I won't say that Jacob is part of my all stars squad mate pantheon, sitting and chilling with Mordin, Garrus, Thane and Legion, as my favorite buddies to own the baddies with. But Jacob was still pretty chill. I don't know, he was to the point, reliable, kinda suicidal but at the same time driven by his own principals. Sometimes however, we all become a little weak. Like when he met his father or when he meets another girl. You lose a little of yourself and gain something else when you meet someone special, or experience a certain, well, experience.

Him getting a girl was kinda awesome really. Considering he had been living rigidly by his principals in ME2, in ME3 it felt like he was ready to move on from the bull**** that drove him to join Cerberus. He met a girl and hey! Look! Being happy and at peace is actually can be kinda cool! I can see him in the kitchen preparing a meal for his family or tending to the garden after the Reapers were sent back to hell. I think he became a teacher later. Pretty fitting.

But I don't know. Honestly, as I mentioned earlier. Jacob isn't exactly in my top 10 squad mates list ever. He was cool for what he was supposed to be. I like him 100000 times more than Ash and Kaiden put together and I enjoyed having him on the ship in ME2. Didn't take him out on missions a single time excluding his loyalty mission. And I can't say that I've been analyzing this oh so dynamic character from the moment I first saw him. Especially since, you know, there's a ****ty ending we need to be examining instead.

Again, I don't know. I'm just sharing my thoughts. Here's a picture of me and him to offset this article.

Modifié par FoggyFishburne, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:45 .

[Premier Bromanov]

The Uncanny wrote...

vjellu wrote...

Well. If minority plays fshep doesn't it automatically mean bioware does more for mshep the canon choice?

There is no 'canon choice'.

Chris Priestly wrote…

There is NO canon Shepard. It is up to the individual players to create their own Shepards.

I argue that that's false.  Certain parts of the story that are obligatory, because the plot inexplicably cannot progress without completing certain "canon" elements of Shepard's journey.  Every Shepard recruited Garrus, Jack, Mordin and Grunt.  Every Shepard is obligated to treat Garrus, Liara and the VS as a friend.

EDIT: But to keep my post on-topic, I do think that what Bioware did with Jacob is disgusting.  The only sympathy I have for Jacob is that his character's integrity was ruined by forces beyond his control (Bioware), and that he was seemingly "baby-trapped".  The only redeeming element I see in all of this is that Jacob has chosen to owe up to his mistake, which is honorable.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[The Uncanny]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote…

There is NO canon Shepard. It is up to the individual players to create their own Shepards.

I argue that that's false.  Certain parts of the story that are obligatory, because the plot inexplicably cannot progress without completing certain "canon" elements of Shepard's journey.  Every Shepard recruited Garrus, Jack, Mordin and Grunt.  Every Shepard is obligated to treat Garrus, Liara and the VS as a friend.

There being immutable elements in every Shepard's experience does not equate to there being a 'canon' Shepard.

[The Angry One]

Mesina2 wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

And Chris Priestly had the nerve to say I should pm him about this matter where as he of course would tell me why they decided to do it this way but did I ever get an answer? Nope!

Well, it is coming for a guy who said to Thane fans this:

Oh yeah, totally classy. <_<

[tholloway93]

Ghost1017 wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

I believe that this picture is in order, here...



And this isn't even MENTIONING Vega.....

I wouldn't really count any of the ME2 LI's.

dont think id count chambers, jack or miranda; and chobot was just a pin cushion for our male shep... 

[The Angry One]

tholloway93 wrote...

dont think id count chambers, jack or miranda; and chobot was just a pin cushion for our male shep... 

Be that as it may none of them die unpreventable deaths, and none of them cheat on Shep (seriously, what the hell?).

[spirosz]

Mesina2 wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

And Chris Priestly had the nerve to say I should pm him about this matter where as he of course would tell me why they decided to do it this way but did I ever get an answer? Nope!

Well, it is coming for a guy who said to Thane fans this:

Seriously?