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[Stalker]

fainmaca wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Chris has a sarcastic sense of humor, if you're going to follow him on Twitter it's best to keep that in mind otherwise don't follow him.

For the record I like his sense of humor. 

Except that this is laughing in the face of people who are p!ssed off at you. All you'll achieve is angering them further. As someone who is meant to deal with the public in a respectable manner, Chris should know better. You don't appease an angry customer by taking a sh"t in their handbag and then laughing about it.

It really starts to become a pattern that fans on twitter are treated like ****...

[Sundance31us]

Mr Massakka wrote...
It really starts to become a pattern that fans on twitter are treated like ****...

So you're fogiving the insults and threats fans Tweet to developers?

[Stalker]

Sundance31us wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...
It really starts to become a pattern that fans on twitter are treated like ****...

So you're fogiving the insults and threats fans Tweet to developers?

That is something completely different.

We (paying, dissastisfied customers) are entitled to refuse playing their game and we can tell them they have done a terrible job directly in their face whenever we want to.
Note: I do not support hate towards developers, but we have paid 60$ for the right to tell them we dislike their actions in a appropiate way.

But BioWare developers insult loyal fans (their reason of existence) on their official twitter accounts frequently. This is unaccaptable.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[Sialater]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jacob...oh Jacob. For those poor FemSheps that romance him they get slapped in the face by the knowledge that not only has he not bothered trying to get in contact...but apparently he knocked up one of his coworkers.

...I just...disregarding the blatant character assassination (Uh...ME2 Jacob may have been a bit of an jerkass but he wasn't THAT much of a jerkass. If he had a problem he said it. Loudly.) why on earth is the ONLY LI (out of 13 characters mind) that cheats on Shepard with moderate baby momma drama (if Brynn's cattiness towards FemShep is to go by)...have to be the darkest male LI? And...where is this EVER foreshadowed?

I just...I don't get the train of thought that lead to them deciding to take the character in this direction and no it's not in character before anyone says it is. And if they needed to show infedility why not use one of MShep's NINE female LIs?  He can lose one with little to no trouble. Oh wait because that wouldn't be nice. So why do that to FemShep? Bleh.

Just wanted to agree before this gets locked.  Jacob's treatment was ridiculous.  I ended up deleting the character that romanced him when I found out the result is the same.  

But hey, women don't play video games, so who cares, right?

[BatmanPWNS]

After this, I went back to ME2 and made sure he died. I rather have him die a hero while trying to save the galaxy rather than a cheating idiot who knows nothing and is a complete 180 of the character.

[Shaleist]

"Him getting a girl was kinda awesome really. Considering he had been living rigidly by his principals in ME2, in ME3 it felt like he was ready to move on from the bull**** that drove him to join Cerberus. He met a girl and hey! Look! Being happy and at peace is actually can be kinda cool! I can see him in the kitchen preparing a meal for his family or tending to the garden after the Reapers were sent back to hell. I think he became a teacher later. Pretty fitting."

I can relate to the above... but was it really that hard to write a secondary path for imported saves if ME2 had 'Romanced Jacob' information? Really? I mean I saw how pathetic their efforts were on all the other ME2 romances in the game, they couldn't be bothered to record 4 or 5 extra sentences, cut the Brynn pregnancy and bring him to par with the others? Was that really a difficult thing to accomplish?


The answer is 'NO'. They were just too lazy to be bothered with it.

Sialater wrote...

But hey, women don't play video games, so who cares, right?

Things like this might go a long way in explaining why that is true.
The world needs more Gamer Girls  <3

Modifié par Shaleist, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Wulfram wrote...

If they'd really wanted to do "cheating" it would have made more sense to do it with the ME1 LIs while they thought Shepard was dead.

Though that wouldn't be cheating, obviously. But it would have been an interesting story.

I kind of expected that to be part of their moving on arch. But...nope.

Instead Jacob decides to sleep around in 6 months despite knowing Shep's alive (or at the very least not bothering to confirm her death). classy.

I have no problems with Brynn on non-romanced Jacob Shepards. None. He fell in love during a tough time. That's kind of sweet.

It's the fact that this happens even if Shep romanced him that disgusts me. And yes maybe I'm sensitive because I'm sick and tired of seeing that sterotype. Don't care.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:01 .

[Xilizhra]

You know what I kind of find hilarious? There's not really an organized movement to redo Jacob, like there is with Thane. Despite Bioware's amazing blunder here, people still aren't that enthusiastic about Jacob. I wonder what they regret more, this or introducing him to begin with.

[giftfish]

CastonFolarus wrote...

But the clear undercut of FemShep romances seems to fly in the face of everything Bioware has said about treating MaleShep/FemShep equally.  And making James Vega such an appealing option(They even said he was meant to appeal to their female fanbase), giving him all those flirty lines, and then not making him a LI. It just sort of....douchey, what Bioware did to FemShep in ME3, romance-wise.

What is truly hilarious about this is that it is yet another case of how out of touch Bioware is with their female fan base.  Akin to when they were going to make Thane look like a Darth Maul knockoff, and somehow that was supposed to be sexy to us.

I find Vega revolting.  He's arrogant and cocky, not particularily intellectual, and physically....ick.  As far as I'm concerned anyway, lol.

If he were the only option for a hetero FemShep romance in ME3, I still wouldn't have romanced him.

[giftfish]

The Angry One wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Because
dudeShep is so awesome that he never gets cheated on. Either that or BW
was trying to protect some people's fragile egos. Man, Miranda cheating
on dudeShep with Jack.... That would have been epic.

*Romanced Tali gets pregnant by Kal'Reegar*

EXACTLY.  Or, if you want to take it 1 step further....


Romanced Liara gets knocked up by Feron.



Imagine the mutiny that would ensue.

[s17tabris]

giftfish wrote...

Romanced Liara gets knocked up by Feron.



Imagine the mutiny that would ensue.

My main Shep romanced Liara but I wouldn't mind seeing that... and the ensuing sh*tstorm in BSN, of course. 

[giftfish]

@arr0whead -- Honestly, I bet 50% of players that choose to pursue an LI, romance Liara. Because A-- the male player base is larger, B -- Alien romances are maybe a bit more interesting, and C -- Liara was around for all 3 MEs.

In my opinion, when you create "romances" in a game for players to have, an RP game that is about player decisions and relationships, you don't screw with an LI just because they are "poorly received".

All you are going to do is p*ss off the players that chose to romance that character. None of the ME2 characters were full squadmates. Even if you didn't like Jacob, you would have been able to pretty much ignore his existence in the game. Why bother with the character assassination?

Not to mention that the fundamental blame is with the game designers. Jacob was in all likelihood poorly received in the first place because the game designers/writers didn't do a good enough job creating him. Why punish the fans for that?

[Darc_Requiem]

Jacob wasn't in ME3. Jacob is biotic. His impersonator ran into a hail of bullets without throwing up a barrier.

[CHALET]

...People romanced Jacob?

But yeah, it felt like mmaajjoorr character derailment to me. I think people would be fine if there was a bit of cattiness between Bryn and Shepard, but no actually... "Btw I knocked up this other chick".

It DOES make him a bit more Human in a sense and brings it back down to Earth; not everybody will wait, not even for Shepard. But I think considering none of the other romances do this (Thane dies, but that's not my point) it was dangerous territory.

Modifié par CHALET, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:33 .

[CHALET]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

giftfish wrote...

@arr0whead -- Honestly, I bet 50% of players that choose to pursue an LI, romance Liara. Because A-- the male player base is larger, B -- Alien romances are maybe a bit more interesting, and C -- Liara was around for all 3 MEs.

Didn't see her in the Collector Base.

She got a whole DLC to herself.

[RShara]

I was thinking for Jacob, that when he says he's with Brynn, Shep gets the chance to tell him that they're the ones who belong together, cuz of their service history, Cerberus, doing what's right. Kind of a c'mon do you want to be with a girl you have to take care of, or a girl who can be your partner? Or something less cheesy than I can think of lol

And then he can choose to go with Shep, BEFORE he gets Brynn pregnant (assuming in the future they can id pregnancy sooner so the act that would get her pregnant wouldn't have happened yet. Yay for life affirming celebration after their rescue?)

[Ryzaki]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Jacob wasn't in ME3. Jacob is biotic. His impersonator ran into a hail of bullets without throwing up a barrier.

A Cerberus mole planted by TIM perhaps? 

[HK-90210]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Jacob wasn't in ME3. Jacob is biotic. His impersonator ran into a hail of bullets without throwing up a barrier.

Quoted for truth, excellent point, sir. Also, what was the pod-Jacob doing without Incendiary Ammo on? Was he asking for his pregnant gf to be left without a baby-daddy?

[DineBoo]

I've said this in another thread, but if Jacob was that unpopular, why wasn't he killed off in the game? Why the borderline stereotypical treatment?

(Not that I'm advocating LI death. LIs shouldn't die, in my opinion)

It's like they wanted to gut femShep's choices. The had an excuse with Thane, but Jacob needed to cheat so no one would think of him as an LI. But why do this after being pretty eqyual in the first two games?

If they ran out of resources, they could have had it where Jacob didn't cheat, have a nice reunion on the Citadel, pop the Paramour achievement, and make him a war asset. There. Simple. No need to cheat. And it probably wouldn't take that much dialog either.

[coldwetn0se]

RShara wrote...


I was thinking for Jacob, that when he says he's with Brynn, Shep gets the chance to tell him that they're the ones who belong together, cuz of their service history, Cerberus, doing what's right. Kind of a c'mon do you want to be with a girl you have to take care of, or a girl who can be your partner? Or something less cheesy than I can think of lol

And then he can choose to go with Shep, BEFORE he gets Brynn pregnant (assuming in the future they can id pregnancy sooner so the act that would get her pregnant wouldn't have happened yet. Yay for life affirming celebration after their rescue?)

I think RShara could have an idea here.  This should go into the Romance Content thread that @giftfish put together.

[RShara]

Feel free to quote me

[s17tabris]

DineBoo wrote...

I've said this in another thread, but if Jacob was that unpopular, why wasn't he killed off in the game? Why the borderline stereotypical treatment?

(Not that I'm advocating LI death. LIs shouldn't die, in my opinion)

It's like they wanted to gut femShep's choices. The had an excuse with Thane, but Jacob needed to cheat so no one would think of him as an LI. But why do this after being pretty eqyual in the first two games?

If they ran out of resources, they could have had it where Jacob didn't cheat, have a nice reunion on the Citadel, pop the Paramour achievement, and make him a war asset. There. Simple. No need to cheat. And it probably wouldn't take that much dialog either.

Yeah, I can't think of any conceivable reason why they had to do that with Jacob, but not with any of manshep's LIs.  Maybe it's their way of saying "if you're playing femshep, you're doing it wrong", just like if you didn't like any of the RGB endings, you lose.  I'm just speculating. 

[BrysonC]

BioWare needed an excuse to shunt Jacob out of the story, simple as that. If they gave femsheps a proper Jacob romance he would need to play a much bigger role than getting shot and babbling pointless instructions over the comm.