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[BatmanPWNS]

Of course, they're just toasters and I gladly killed 'em all.

[Hyperion II]

The last guy who posted a topic like that got interneticlly "leenched".
I'll make it simple. NONE of use is in the position where they can tell you anything about "Souls", and therefore you can't say that geth do not have a soul.

Go troll somewhere else.

Thred/

[Ansible]

Me:

A "soul" is our energy, and our morality.

An unshackled computer has both energy, and the ability to make decisions based on morality.

Just how I see it.

Modifié par Ansible, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:12 .

[dreman9999]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

The human brain is just an organic computer. You can only assume qualia in other beings.

/thread

And yet you can do anything counter to the logic your brain and experiences tells you. Legion and the geth cannot. They have to do what best answer gets computed from consensus because that is all they know.  

You know why humans can do this: free will. That comes from something.

...The geth can do that. Look at Legions attached n7 armor and hole.

[Anvos]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe this whole thread isn't pointless as more and more its becoming obvious the main arguments end up revolving around many high concept philisophical and relgious debates that can't really be proven definatively one way or another and end up relying on ones own beliefs.

Not to mention even if we could resolve this we still end up in the debate of wether or not the geth are truly the geth once they take in reaper upgrades and then wether or not those reaper upgrades make it so they should be grouped similar to the reapers in the way the rest of the galaxy percieves them.

[dreman9999]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Well people didn't take the philosophy approach in ME1 when they gunned down the geth by the truck load!!

Geth are software, they can never be alive.

I also like where this thread is going.

That was an issues of servival, not philosophy. They were trying to kill us. we had no time to wonder if they had a soul.

[shodiswe]

Shallyah wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

OP is right.

Machines are as much live beings as it is any fictional character from any movie or book. No matter how hard you try to make them appear alive, they're still written by someone else.

Machines are fabricated. Life happens.

/thread

Wow, you must like have no imagination at all.

Wow, you must have a wondrous imagination, considering you resort to insults as soon as someone has a diferent opinion than yours. Way to ridicule yourself.

Didn't your parrents write your code? Then perhaps if you were lucky a good upbrining that helpd you find your "function"? Then being a machine that can analyze new situations and impose old solutions to the problems keep the processes going?

[ObserverStatus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This video is relevant.

/thread

[Ender Ghost]

Human brains are "programmed" with instincts, their appearances are based on their parent's gene's, etc.

Same with geth, only difference is material, they are made of metal, plastic, etc and we are made of skin and bone.

[Baronesa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This video is relevant.

Actually...

THIS video is relevant

[dublin omega 223]

All the Geth are at the end of the day is blinking lights like the one's from a Christmas tree.  When it came time to choose between them and the Quarians, I choose the Quarians and shot Legion dead. Never liked it much myself to be honest.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:50 .

[RadioKon]

Tibbur wrote...

RadioKon wrote...

Neither do humans, depending on how you look at it. The only thing that seperate humans and animals is the abililty to reason instead of fighting it out for survival. Two humans can hold guns to each other's heads, and talk it out, resulting in no one dying/getting hurt. Two tigers will fight until one is dead/runs away. Geth reason, therefore they can have a place in the galctic community.

And humans still havent worked out how to sit down thats we went from pointy sticks to nukes. Humans are at lot closer to animals than we care to think.

Humans are in fact animals. This is obvious. Humans revert to their instincts when all else fails, when they lose their ability to reason. That is why we are no better than animals. Humans have the chance to talk it out, animals, not so much. Organics are naturally violent (as an instinctual whole,)

[Zkyire]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This video is relevant.

Actually...

THIS video is relevant

Mine was far more enlightening.

Your video was a complete mind-****.

I'm still not sure what happened..

But I'm pretty sure I was supposed to give consent.

[Pyk]

I believe that InvincibleHero assumes soul can be given only by God. OK, that's consistent.

I personally don't believe I have a soul.
I believe I have a material product of evolution (an organic computer, if you will), that can react to stimuli, make associations and has some inherited stereotypic behavioural patterns.
I know that it enables me to percept how beautiful the world around me is, feel emotions, fall in love. But I also believe it's run by a set of physical laws and at least in theory it can be simulated. And that's what makes physics beautiful, whether someone is an atheist, agnostic or a believer

Why is that important: If we ever create artificial intelligence (or just simulate someone's brain perfectly) it would be vital to know that *it* would probably feel and think as we do being equally alive and shutting it off permanently would count as murder.

People who believe in God should regard simulated human brain as soul - even if it would prove false - to avoid sin.
Come on, Ghost in the Shell, 1989!

[Mavaras]

I take a similar line of thought to Star Trek TNG: Measure of a man. Whether Legion has a soul or not, like Data, s/he /it should have the freedom to explore and answer the question for itself.

[Pyk]

RadioKon wrote...
The only thing that separate humans and animals is the ability to reason instead of fighting it out for survival.

I like your point on the geth, but I guess animals *do* reason (very interesting example from YT). The difference between us and them is quantitative, not qualitative.
Also, animals can care for offspring of different species or help their wounded mates.

Modifié par Pyk, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[Kr0gan]

Pfff a soul is just a imaginary construct of humans to feel important and trascendent, to forget that we are just animals and when we are dead everything is gone.

Now, soul as a concept instead of a magic inmortal essence is interesting but it can also be explained as a function of the brain.

[Wyatt Shepard]

The Geth have no soul? Frak that. Have you not seen Legion dance?

[JesseLee202]

These threads never end, do they?

There are countless other threads with this same topic. Why make another one when you can get the same answers from them?

[Adugan]

Humans are the product of their mother, Quarians are the product of factories or whatever. Same thing.

[JesseLee202]

Adugan wrote...

Humans are the product of their mother, Quarians Geth are the product of factories or whatever. Same thing.

Fixed, but not the same thing. 

[Blacklash93]

For the record, I despise the direction they took the Geth in ME3. To be "alive" they have to be like everyone else. Wonderful implications.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .