Legion doesn't have a soul. However, neither do we, so it's fine for Legion not to have one.
He fits the three criteria for sentience, so I see him as an equal.
Geth have no soul.
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#252
Posté 16 juillet 2012 - 11:28
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InvincibleHero wrote...
You know why humans can do this: free will.
Free will is an illusion.
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Posté 16 juillet 2012 - 11:49
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I am back because my previous post was both simplistic and incomplete. When we choose to go down the winding road of discussing souls, good question by the way, we will reach many different conclusions. All the conclusions will be based on an opinion or belief that has never been substantiated scientifically. Mostl religions believe that a human has a soul that is eternal. Some religions believe the soul is also conveyed to the animal population. The premise of a soul implies that there is a creator who has bestowed this soul at his choosing. I do not believe we are capable of bestowing an eternal soul on something we create. I do not however, have enough faith to believe I do not have one.
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Posté 16 juillet 2012 - 11:52
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Thats true... because souls arent real
#255
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 12:22
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Organic life is only somehow superior to Synthetic life if you believe in God and magic.
Also, Tali thinks you are a moron.
Also, Tali thinks you are a moron.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 12:39
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The human brain is just an organic computer. You can only assume qualia in other beings.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 12:40
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Hackulator wrote...
Organic life is only somehow superior to Synthetic life if you believe in God and magic.
Also, Tali thinks you are a moron.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 12:52
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This is one of the reasons I killed them.Blacklash93 wrote...
For the record, I despise the direction they took the Geth in ME3. To be "alive" they have to be like everyone else. Wonderful implications.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 12:55
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Uh I don't even think organic beings have souls.
Religious Indoctrination in these damn games. SMH
Religious Indoctrination in these damn games. SMH
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#260
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:04
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Mosquitoes do not have souls.
I would gladly choose Destroy if mosquitoes were the target.
I would gladly choose Destroy if mosquitoes were the target.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:04
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Random Jerkface wrote...
The human brain is just an organic computer. You can only assume qualia in other beings.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:13
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PURPLE UNICORN!!!! 
...Now that my sad attempt to make sure my post is read has worked and I have your attention:
I'm not going to touch on the soul discussion, as a soul, if it exists, is not something that can be described, so to say what has one and what does not would be nothing more than a personal opinion based on one's personal interpretation of what a soul is.
As for the Geth not being "alive", I would agree that prior to the Reaper code upgrades, they may not have been(I still have to think it over more before forming an opinion), but after, it is possible that they can be considered to be alive. I would consider it non-organic life, but life nonetheless.
Someone posted that what makes the human brain more than just a "biological computer" (which it is), is free will. You could argue that (and there is actually a fairly large shcool of thought that adheres to this argument) there is actually no such thing as free will, and every descision you make is the result of a specific set of conditions that, if duplicated perfectly (which is technically impossible), would result in the same descision 100% of the time.
Anywho, the "free-will" argument isn't really relevant to what makes something alive. A tree is alive, but it doesn't have free will.
Also, what we classify as "alive" is any organism that meets a certain set of criteria (I forget what they are, but I believe it is on WIkipedia if you look up "Life"). anything that meets all the points is alive, anything that does not is not.
For example, bacteria is considered to be alive, but viruses are not.
So, even the "official " definition of what is alive is simply the result of the human need to classify things, nothing more.
Basically, I think that post-upgrade Geth are non-organic life-forms.
...Now that my sad attempt to make sure my post is read has worked and I have your attention:
I'm not going to touch on the soul discussion, as a soul, if it exists, is not something that can be described, so to say what has one and what does not would be nothing more than a personal opinion based on one's personal interpretation of what a soul is.
As for the Geth not being "alive", I would agree that prior to the Reaper code upgrades, they may not have been(I still have to think it over more before forming an opinion), but after, it is possible that they can be considered to be alive. I would consider it non-organic life, but life nonetheless.
Someone posted that what makes the human brain more than just a "biological computer" (which it is), is free will. You could argue that (and there is actually a fairly large shcool of thought that adheres to this argument) there is actually no such thing as free will, and every descision you make is the result of a specific set of conditions that, if duplicated perfectly (which is technically impossible), would result in the same descision 100% of the time.
Anywho, the "free-will" argument isn't really relevant to what makes something alive. A tree is alive, but it doesn't have free will.
Also, what we classify as "alive" is any organism that meets a certain set of criteria (I forget what they are, but I believe it is on WIkipedia if you look up "Life"). anything that meets all the points is alive, anything that does not is not.
For example, bacteria is considered to be alive, but viruses are not.
So, even the "official " definition of what is alive is simply the result of the human need to classify things, nothing more.
Basically, I think that post-upgrade Geth are non-organic life-forms.
Modifié par Liber320, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:15 .
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:14
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Yes, my avatar is amazing. This is known.Liber320 wrote...
PURPLE UNICORN!!!!
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:18
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Cthulhu42 wrote...
Yes, my avatar is amazing. This is known.Liber320 wrote...
PURPLE UNICORN!!!!
To be completely honest, I didn't even see it until now, just trying to be random. Either A) it was a funny coinicdence, or
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!
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#265
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:25
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In the end, it's only a matter of tolerance.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 01:59
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Day 3 among BSN: Subjects are arguing about The Geth having souls. They do not seem to be aware that Mass Effect is a fictional video game.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 02:01
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Well, a "soul" is just a metaphor for life (in my eyes), so yes, they do.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 02:17
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Cthulhu42 agree completely, amazing avatar
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 02:56
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But what if our cells and neurons at the most fudamental of levels operate very much like a checksum list?InvincibleHero wrote...
They have programming that approximates a conscience based on experiences they've had and that's it. It's a checksum list and that is it. They are not created with one and it is not something that can be manufactured. I don't think it was meant in a literal sense but metaphorically.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 02:57
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Why thank you. Your Garrus is very nice too.alum2 wrote...
Cthulhu42 agree completely, amazing avatar
#271
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 08:44
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Here's an interesting question:
Does it even matter? I mean, OK, let's assume they don't have soul. What changes?
There are people trying to justify killing animals by stating they don't have soul (even though they can't define in themselves). Is that your point? You'd like to justify killing the geth just because they're... different?
Beyond our standards of perception?
Does it even matter? I mean, OK, let's assume they don't have soul. What changes?
There are people trying to justify killing animals by stating they don't have soul (even though they can't define in themselves). Is that your point? You'd like to justify killing the geth just because they're... different?
Beyond our standards of perception?
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 08:55
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Dear lord, it's one of those threads again,..
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 09:57
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Nobody has a soul. It's just a poetical, fictional concept, not an actual entity. Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument to justify one military decision or another, or to decide who lives and what must be destroyed.
And species don't have souls either.
And species don't have souls either.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 10:33
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My stance on the issue: Since we cannot objectively prove that humans and other living organic beings have souls, I must grant geth and other sapient synthetic life the benefit of the doubt.
#275
Posté 18 juillet 2012 - 02:03
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Awww damn, seems the argument died, and it was very interesting
