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[survivor_686]

The Angry One wrote...

The Zha'til were not Reaper approved synthesis, and thus infringed on the Catalyst's copyright.

Edit: When you think about it, the whole Prothean cycle is a farce.

Reapers: "Here we are to save you from the synthetics!"

Protheans: "Uh, we're winning our war against synthetics."

Zha: "We peacefully co-exist with ours in a form of synthesis."

Reapers: "Nonsense! Synthetics will destroy you all. We're here to save you by preserving you in Reaper form! Well except you, Zha. Because reasons. Not you either, Protheans because you have weird DNA. It's your own fault really. Don't worry, we'll make you into zombie minions instead! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!"

This is why I chose destroy. At the very least we kill these condescending, hypocritical Reapers.

Anyone else think the Starbrat is using the "save organics" nonsence in order to propogate its own species. At the very least in every other outcome (minus Destroy) the Reapers still exist.

Modifié par survivor_686, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:33 .

[Uncle Jo]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Zha'til 
The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

I've always only assumed that the Reapers probably messed with the Zha'til and turned them against the Protheans to weaken both and make the harvest easier. How could I have missed this explanation ? Is that Javik
who tells it in a conversation or is it in the codex ? Or both ?

Anyways thanks a lot, I was running low on ammo in the debate with the brat's supporters. Telling them that turning the Protheans into cannon fodder simply because the brat couldn't make a reaper of them isn't exactly preserving them, wasn't convincing enough...

[The Night Mammoth]

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There could be cases where the A.I. took control of the body and the other Zah´til had to shut the body down.
there is no evidence that the symbiotic relationship was peaceful and without danger.

There's no evidence to suggest anything else but a peaceful coexistence. 

There's no information to suggest either co-existence or conflict. Why would you assume it was peaceful? Based on what information?

Based on us being given information that tells us the Reapers subjugated the AI's and turned them against the Zha.

The Reapers turned the synthetics against the organics. That's noted in the game. The Reapers created conflict by subjugating the AI's. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:13 .

[Rhayak]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Zha'til 
The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.


So Zha was species which achieved synthesis on their own - they did it from need but it worked, with arrival Reaper simply turn them into another freakshow. There is only three explanations:

- Catalyst never looked for solution

- Catalyst never allowed to anyone achieve synthesis without his GOD permision 

- Catalyst never existed

... teeheee I am looking forward to your explanations ...

That doesn't really seem like Synthesis at all. More like a graft job.

The Catalyst's explanation at the end assumes that it would've gone bad sooner or later.

It's not perfect but it's what we got.

You probably didn't know this but quoting the Zha'til over an over is one of the very few things that Synthesis-bashers can do XD

Modifié par Rhayak, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[Mazebook]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

maaaze wrote...

There could be cases where the A.I. took control of the body and the other Zah´til had to shut the body down.
there is no evidence that the symbiotic relationship was peaceful and without danger.

There's no evidence to suggest anything else but a peaceful coexistence. 

There's no information to suggest either co-existence or conflict. Why would you assume it was peaceful? Based on what information?

Based on us being given information that tells us the Reapers subjugated the AI's and turned them against the Zha.

The Reapers turned the synthetics against the organics. That's noted in the game. The Reapers created conflict by subjugating the AI's. 

that only states they toke advantage of a system that was obviously not foolprove. it say´s nothing about the relationship between Zah and A.I. ( other than that the A.I. was able to take control) and how it would have developed.

[The Night Mammoth]

maaaze wrote...

that only states they toke advantage of a system that was obviously not foolprove. it say´s nothing about the relationship between Zah and A.I. ( other than that the A.I. was able to take control) and how it would have developed.

It clearly points to their being no conflict before the Reapers came along and started the self-contradiction train. 

They turned the AI against their organic counter-parts. There was no conflict, Reapers come along, do their thing, and cause conflict. 

You're just grasping, really, really futily.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[Uncle Jo]

Rhayak wrote...


That doesn't really seem like Synthesis at all. More like a graft job.

The Catalyst's explanation at the end assumes that it would've gone bad sooner or later.

It's not perfect but it's what we got.

You probably didn't know this but quoting the Zha'til over an over is one of the very few things that Synthesis-bashers can do XD

Just because the brat say something doesn't prevent you to have your own opinion.

The Zha'til are a(nother) proof that whenever the Reapers appear, conflicts arise. They're the frakking troublemakers, not the synthetics. They pretend to preserve synthetics and organics and yet because of them the Zha'til were completely wiped out.

The same could have happened to the Rachni and other races during the Rachni war. Guess who was behind, our best friends the Reapers.

They set the fire, then come to put it out and say, "See ? Told ya so."

Whatever starbrat, but don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[Cheviot]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Cheviot wrote...
There may be nothing to stop them, but there's nothing to compel them to either; the synthesis would give organics abilities that they would have previously needed synthetic creations to achieve.  In one ending, there would still be a huge population of friendly synthetics who could do most of the things that new Synthetics would be needed for. And even if they did create new forms, their new status as part-synthetic would mean they would have common ground with any new Synthetics, wouldn't see them as completely different, which was the problem before, and so the conflict couldn't arise again.

If you are saying that Synthesis would make it impossible for post-Synthesis synthetics to cause conflict then you are flat out wrong.  Nothing in Synthesis would make it impossible, and it is something that is logically impossible to achieve.  You would need 100% mind control that never fails to prevent any kind of conflict.  Synthesis isn't that.

I'll try and make it clearer: conflict between organic and synthetic could happen, but it wouldn't be the apocolyptic battle that the Catalyst has worked to avoid.  The destruction of all life wouldn't be at stake, because it wouldn't be all organics against all synthetics, it'd just be some of each.   It would be smaller scale, like the First Contact War. 

Then again, even during the Reaper invasion, when they could strike at organics when they were already weakened, the Geth only started fighting when the Quarians launched their attack.

[Kamfrenchie]

Bleh, the catalyst use a "logic" that you can't rally contradict or confirm. Anyone can make assumptions by basing itself on infinite ime and probaility.

Lemme try.
I predict that, supposing there is no god or paradise, after avery long time, any being would get to be resurrected, albeit probably in a different form and without memory.
Here


But some of his assumption are still wrong. The created can't alwways rebel against the creator.
-THe reapers don't rebel against the child
-the reaper-made rachni don't rebel against reapers
-the Zha til didnt till the reapers arrived
-the prothean VI didn't afaik
-etc.

There, first asumption is flawed

[Cheviot]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Bleh, the catalyst use a "logic" that you can't rally contradict or confirm. Anyone can make assumptions by basing itself on infinite ime and probaility.

Lemme try.
I predict that, supposing there is no god or paradise, after avery long time, any being would get to be resurrected, albeit probably in a different form and without memory.
Here


But some of his assumption are still wrong. The created can't alwways rebel against the creator.
-THe reapers don't rebel against the child
-the reaper-made rachni don't rebel against reapers
-the Zha til didnt till the reapers arrived
-the prothean VI didn't afaik
-etc.

There, first asumption is flawed

You start by saying that the Catalyst "use a "logic" that you can't rally contradict or confirm" yet you end by saying its
"first asumption [sic] is flawed".  How do these two statements not contradict each other?

Anyway, the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict.  The fact it allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

[Meltemph]

Anyway, the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict. The fact it allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

And that is one of the biggest problems. The explanation/justification the writers decided to give the catalyst is an incredibly shallow and simplistic view for the what it was doing. They purposly ignored the psychology that started the conflict with the geth, for example. You may be fine with writers writing a incredibly simple view and "fix" to what should have been a complex problem, but many balk at what the writers did, becaue many were expecting so much more, if they were actually going to explain what the reapers were.

Instead, imo, we got one of the most strightforward, simplistic motivations you could possibly get for an ending, the "created vs the creators". Horray! Grats for the originality...

While I can deal with the endings, I personally dont like that at all, outside of just these reasons, but also because it disfigured the ME univers forver...  If anyone was a fan of the setting more then the story or characters, they were pretty much screwed with this ending.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:23 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Cheviot wrote...

Anyway, the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict.  The fact it allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

I don't see how the Geth and the Quarians support the Catalyst.

Maybe initially, but that was 300 years ago relatively speaking. Certain things have happened since then. 

[Cheviot]

Meltemph wrote...

Anyway, the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict. The fact it allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

And that is one of the biggest problems. The explanation/justification the writers decided to give the catalyst is an incredibly shallow and simplistic view for the what it was doing. They purposly ignored the psychology that started the conflict with the geth, for example. You may be fine with writers writing a incredibly simple view and "fix" to what should have been a complex problem, but many balk at what the writers did, becaue many were expecting so much more, if they were actually going to explain what the reapers were.

Instead, imo, we got one of the most strightforward, simplistic motivations you could possibly get for an ending, the "created vs the creators". Horray! Grats for the originality...

While I can deal with the endings, I personally dont like that at all, outside of just these reasons, but also because it disfigured the ME univers forver...  If anyone was a fan of the setting more then the story or characters, they were pretty much screwed with this ending.

I don't think the Catalyst's motivation is as simplistic as you suggest; for instance, the "psychology that started the conflict with the geth" is at the centre of the Catalyst's Reaper solution and also the choices it gives Shepard.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

Anyway,
the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported
by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict.  The fact it
allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices
it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

I don't see how the Geth and the Quarians support the Catalyst.

Maybe initially, but that was 300 years ago relatively speaking. Certain things have happened since then. 

What I was referring to in particular was how the Geth-Quarian conflict began and what things allow it to last so long.

Modifié par Cheviot, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[Meltemph]

I don't think the Catalyst's motivation is as simplistic as you suggest; for instance, the "psychology that started the conflict with the geth" is at the centre of the Catalyst's Reaper solution and also the choices it gives Shepard.

No it really isnt. There is much more to it then the incredibly small amount that is there. I just think people are doing what they can to make the ending as deep as they can, because it is quite obvious how shallow of an ending it is. Created vs creator at the end of it all is pretty damn simplistic.  I'm not quite sure how you can really argue that it is deep or what I was looking for, at least thought provoking.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:39 .

[Baa Baa]

elitecom wrote...

There are so many plot holes and contradictions in Mass Effect 3 itself without even having to involve Mass Effect 1&2, a true testament to the quality of the story.

[The Night Mammoth]

Cheviot wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't see how the Geth and the Quarians support the Catalyst.

Maybe initially, but that was 300 years ago relatively speaking. Certain things have happened since then. 

What I was referring to in particular was how the Geth-Quarian conflict began and what things allow it to last so long.

Well sure, but certain things occur that perhaps change the conclusion of their conflict overall and how it relates to the Catalyst's point.

I don't mean that because they made peace the Catalyst is wrong, just that because they eventually made peace that the conclusion drawn from the Geth's and the Quarian's war is a little more complex and not necessarily supporting because of it. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:41 .

[Kamfrenchie]

Cheviot wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Bleh, the catalyst use a "logic" that you can't rally contradict or confirm. Anyone can make assumptions by basing itself on infinite ime and probaility.

Lemme try.
I predict that, supposing there is no god or paradise, after avery long time, any being would get to be resurrected, albeit probably in a different form and without memory.
Here


But some of his assumption are still wrong. The created can't alwways rebel against the creator.
-THe reapers don't rebel against the child
-the reaper-made rachni don't rebel against reapers
-the Zha til didnt till the reapers arrived
-the prothean VI didn't afaik
-etc.

There, first asumption is flawed

You start by saying that the Catalyst "use a "logic" that you can't rally contradict or confirm" yet you end by saying its
"first asumption [sic] is flawed".  How do these two statements not contradict each other?

Anyway, the Catalyst's argument is based on it's own experience and supported by both the Prothean VI and the Quarian-Geth conflict.  The fact it allows the first organic that reaches it with the Crucible the choices it does further proves that it believes it's argument whole-heartedly.

well either way his logic sucks.

His logic is that given enough time, synthetics will evntualy wipe out organic life. Okay, hard t prove or contadict it.

And one of hisassumption is that the created always rebel against the crator, which is wrong. It's not a law of physic, there will always be counter examples.

I on't care abot his experience he providesno basic proof.
The geth-qurian conflict is not rbellion but self defense. Ifa kid refuses to be kille by his parents, is it rebllion ? Even if it is, how is it a bad thing ?

and no, protheans were winning, so thre goes any proof he has

[Cheviot]

Meltemph wrote...

I don't think the Catalyst's motivation is as simplistic as you suggest; for instance, the "psychology that started the conflict with the geth" is at the centre of the Catalyst's Reaper solution and also the choices it gives Shepard.

No it really isnt. There is much more to it then the incredibly small amount that is there. I just think people are doing what they can to make the ending as deep as they can, because it is quite obvious how shallow of an ending it is. Created vs creator at the end of it all is pretty damn simplistic, I'm not quite sure how you can really argue that it is deep or what I was looking for, at least thought provoking.

For me, it's the reasons why the conflict begins that make it so interesting.  Once you realise them, some interesting questions present themselves.

BTW, could you support your claim about the ending being simplistic?

[Meltemph]

Cheviot wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

I don't think the Catalyst's motivation is as simplistic as you suggest; for instance, the "psychology that started the conflict with the geth" is at the centre of the Catalyst's Reaper solution and also the choices it gives Shepard.

No it really isnt. There is much more to it then the incredibly small amount that is there. I just think people are doing what they can to make the ending as deep as they can, because it is quite obvious how shallow of an ending it is. Created vs creator at the end of it all is pretty damn simplistic, I'm not quite sure how you can really argue that it is deep or what I was looking for, at least thought provoking.

For me, it's the reasons why the conflict begins that make it so interesting.  Once you realise them, some interesting questions present themselves.

BTW, could you support your claim about the ending being simplistic?

That is an incredibly weird thing to ask to "support teh claim", considering the ending is right there infront of you.  The ending does that pretty good without me.  I mean honestly, what in that ending really got your brain going?  I mean, besides arguing, in your head with the brat.  Besides that, the ending differences themselves, in terms of what they did and hte differences between them was the only real discussion that you can bring from it, outside of snythesis...

I mean, honestly, would you really be willing to argue that ME3 was very thought provoking? Tuchanka and the Geth/Quarian conflict were the best moments in it and those 2 things relyed compeltely on the other ME's.  ME3 really brought nothing to the table thanks to the ending. 

The created vs the creator theme, with the way they presented it and argued for it is pretty simplistic, since the arguement behind the ending was a fatalistic, simplistic, "this will always happen" ending, so the hero must fix it.

If they wouldnt have killed the setting with the ending, I would not be caring how the ending this game, since the setting would carry on, but in its current state, when you do that to your own setting, at least make me want to think about the ending.

If you are going to essetnaily kill the setting of a game for all post ME3 games, based on the same universe, it just seems to me, that your ending better be pretty damn impressive to justify killing it. 

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .

[Cheviot]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't see how the Geth and the Quarians support the Catalyst.

Maybe initially, but that was 300 years ago relatively speaking. Certain things have happened since then. 

What I was referring to in particular was how the Geth-Quarian conflict began and what things allow it to last so long.

Well sure, but certain things occur that perhaps change the conclusion of their conflict overall and how it relates to the Catalyst's point.

I don't mean that because they made peace the Catalyst is wrong, just that because they eventually made peace that the conclusion drawn from the Geth's and the Quarian's war is a little more complex and not necessarily supporting because of it. 

I wasn't talking about the peace - though, if achieved one way or the other, that does support the Catalyst's belief that it's solution no longer holds - I only meant that the two things I mentioned - how the Quarian-Geth war started, and how it was able to last - support the Catalyst's argument.  In particular, I'm talking about how the suspicion of the Quarians coupled with (and caused by) the emergence of Geth self-awareness caused the war, and how the inability of either side to understand the other kept the war going.

[Applepie_Svk]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Zha'til 
The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

I've always only assumed that the Reapers probably messed with the Zha'til and turned them against the Protheans to weaken both and make the harvest easier. How could I have missed this explanation ? Is that Javik
who tells it in a conversation or is it in the codex ? Or both ?

Anyways thanks a lot, I was running low on ammo in the debate with the brat's supporters. Telling them that turning the Protheans into cannon fodder simply because the brat couldn't make a reaper of them isn't exactly preserving them, wasn't convincing enough...

Both - wikki about game:
If brought on Priority: Geth Dreadnought, Javik will compare the geth to the zha'til, a synthetic race of his time that was corrupted by the Reapers before the Protheans set their star supernova; Shepard mentions the reluctance involved with destroying the Alpha Relay. He will also comment that the Geth Dreadnought's main gun is comparable in power to that of Penumbra Apex, the flagship of the Prothean Empire.If brought on Priority: Geth Dreadnought, Javik will compare the geth to the zha'til, a synthetic race of his time that was corrupted by the Reapers before the Protheans set their star supernova; Shepard mentions the reluctance involved with destroying the Alpha Relay. He will also comment that the Geth Dreadnought's main gun is comparable in power to that of Penumbra Apex, the flagship of the Prothean Empire.If brought on Priority: Geth Dreadnought, Javik will compare the geth to the zha'til, a synthetic race of his time that was corrupted by the Reapers before the Protheans set their star supernova; Shepard mentions the reluctance involved with destroying the Alpha Relay. He will also comment that the Geth Dreadnought's main gun is comparable in power to that of Penumbra Apex, the flagship of the Prothean Empire.

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Otherwise again - relationship betwen Zha and Zha´til was symbiosis which head into synthesis, AI get its understanding of organics, organics get their perfection thru synthetics.
You can argue that´s not the same but if you took body of each indivual as different universe or vessel and Zha and their AI as sides of synthetic / organics than you have achieved in each one same effect as was Catalyst´s solution for whole universe.
In other words what Catalyst call a synthesis was merging whole galaxy into one great organism organics and synthetics which reach their co-existence in galaxy, but Zha´til achieved this kind of peace in each individual of their kind - so they achieved in fact synthesis.


Catalyst was trying to achieve co-existence by giving both sides same advantage, Zha and Zha´til achieved co-existence by own decision - with one body they get same resources. Organic soul and DNA get to Synthetics understanding and Synthetic inteligence and enchancments get to organics chance to survive.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:27 .

[Rhayak]

Uncle Jo wrote...
Just because the brat say something doesn't prevent you to have your own opinion.

If someone is telling me a tale and narrates that "X did Y", i don't see reason to interrupt and comment "no, he did Z".
.... or to nitpick away at every loose strand in his tale until there's nothing left, for that matter.

Mass Effect is a tale where stuff happens and at the end character X tells me what's what.
And i suspend my effin' disbelief so i can actually enjoy it. A person of true sense can't possibly be angry at space magic just because the actual science behind it isn't explained. Just ACCEPT IT and have some popcorn.

Did the third installment play out as i imagined it would? Not by a galactic mile.

But that's what i and we got. And my opinion is "oh, well.... at least i didn't reject" XD

[RiouHotaru]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Zha'til 
The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

Actually, Javik stated they enslaved their creators and their creator's offspring BEFORE the Reapers arrived.  That was referred to as the "Metacon War".  The Metacon War was going to end in the Protheans favor when the Reapers showed up and wiped them all out.

Also, Javik and the Protheans aren't reliable because Javik inherently hates and distrusts anything related to synthetic intelligence.  His interpretation of events is colored by bias.  For all he knows the Zha and the Zha'til were in harmony with one another, but the Protheans saw it and believed "enslavement".

If anything, the Metacon War is evidence supporting the Organic/Synthetic conflict as a theme.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[survivor_686]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Zha'til 
The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

Actually, Javik stated they enslaved their creators and their creator's offspring BEFORE the Reapers arrived.  That was referred to as the "Metacon War".  The Metacon War was going to end in the Protheans favor when the Reapers showed up and wiped them all out.

Also, Javik and the Protheans aren't reliable because Javik inherently hates and distrusts anything related to synthetic intelligence.  His interpretation of events is colored by bias.  For all he knows the Zha and the Zha'til were in harmony with one another, but the Protheans saw it and believed "enslavement".

If anything, the Metacon War is evidence supporting the Organic/Synthetic conflict as a theme.

Wait a sec, If the organics were going to win against the synthetics, then why did the Reapers attack them?

It would seem that the organics were going to win in the present cycle and did insitute a ban against AI creation. So the Reapers really had no reason to harvest the Protheans. What gives?

[RiouHotaru]

Well, Javik only stated they were possibly going to win. There's no way to know if they were actually going to or not, because the Reapers intervened.

And the Reaper's don't care who is winning or who isn't. They have a programmed imperative to continue harvesting. That's all there is to it.