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[What a Succulent Ass]

I'm assuming you mean:

Zha'til: Corrupted by the reapers.
Geth: Did not rebel, were attacked by the quarians.
Catalyst: Decided to melt its creators into meat pudding. Concluded it must kill everyone, forever, for all time, in order to prevent other AIs from melting their creators into meat pudding.

...Seriously?

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Eterna5 wrote...

My point was that people who deny the catalyst on the basis of the geth are just as stupid as the people who deny global warming because it snows at odd times.

You can't call people idiots on the basis of a false analogy. That's just embarrassing.

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

TakedaMauro wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

People who deny the catalysts reasoning are so short sighted, they're like the people who deny global warming because it's snowing at their house.
 
 The Protheans won against those synthetics, but they would have eventually created more synthetics and the conflict would have occured again, the difference being that the synthetics they created later may be too advanced to be stopped.

You can't use one example and then expect every occurence of events afterwords to follow that same example.

And that's exactly what the catalyst is doing.

I guess logic and you are not close friends, uh?

Except the catalyst has been right so far

Not really, as evident by the existence of organic life in any capacity. 

and every cycle we know of has had issues with rebellious synthetics.

And issues with organics as well. 

So why are synthetics the problem? I'll ask a third time. 

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing. The catalyst is an AI designed to preserve organic life, organics are the problem because they create synthetics, I never said otherwise.

[TakedaMauro]

Eterna5 wrote...

Except the catalyst has been right so far and every cycle we know of has had issues with rebellious synthetics.

Please name me all the conflicts with synthetics in every single cycle.

You can't, you know why?, because the reapers exterminated every advanced organics and synthetics in every cycle, why? because they used one example and then expected every occurence of events afterwords to follow that same example.

And, as Random Jerkface said, rebellion =/= absolute extintcion.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:30 .

[Eterna]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

My point was that people who deny the catalyst on the basis of the geth are just as stupid as the people who deny global warming because it snows at odd times.

You can't call people idiots on the basis of a false analogy. That's just embarrassing.

How is it false?

[What a Succulent Ass]

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[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

My point was that people who deny the catalyst on the basis of the geth are just as stupid as the people who deny global warming because it snows at odd times.

You can't call people idiots on the basis of a false analogy. That's just embarrassing.

How is it false?

Don't answer that question. You don't provide any sort of backing for anything you say. 

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Neither side can absolutely proe their point, so I'm unsure of what you want me to say at this point.

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:36 .

[TakedaMauro]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Aaaand you think everyone who doesn't share your opinion is an idiot... great logic there.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Erm, no, that would be an objective fact.

It has nothing but a hypothesis since it has never been proven remotely right.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:37 .

[Eterna]

TakedaMauro wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Aaaand you think everyone who doesn't share your opinion is an idiot... great logic there.

No, I think everyone who denys the catalyst on the basis of one example is an idiot.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Everyone who promotes the Catalyst's logic on the basis of one occurrence (the Catalyst itself), is also an idiot.

Are we quite even?

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

TakedaMauro wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Aaaand you think everyone who doesn't share your opinion is an idiot... great logic there.

No, I think everyone who denys the catalyst on the basis of one example is an idiot.

But you think differently of people who believe the Catalyst based on.................... nothing. Not even one example. 

Colour me confused. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:39 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Everyone who promotes the Catalyst's logic on the basis of one occurrence (the Catalyst itself), is also an idiot.

Are we quite even?

Sh*t, actually, there's not a single example. Not a bloody one.

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Erm, no, that would be an objective fact.

It has nothing but a hypothesis since it has never been proven remotely right.

Prove it. Out of the countless cycles prove it.

[Meltemph]

Using the writers as a defense of the catalysts reasoning is a pretty silly thing to do, since the argument is that the written argument for it is contrived and that anything that is shown in the game to support the ending is contrived.

People are rejecting the over simplification of the created vs the creators, there is no need to talk about the game proving one side more right then the other, when the problem is how the entire thing was written to begin with.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Erm, no, that would be an objective fact.

It has nothing but a hypothesis since it has never been proven remotely right.

Prove it. Out of the countless cycles prove it.

The fact that Mass Effect exists as a fictional universe, that the galaxy contains various species. 

That there have been countless cycles. 

That the creators of the Catalyst were ever in a situation to create the Catalyst. Organic life has never been wiped out. 

Not that difficult now, was it? How about you go back and prove the five things I asked you to prove. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:45 .

[Baronesa]

Eterna, you may want to get my rock...

it is an tiger's repellent rock... it works awesomely.. since there are no tigers around

That is the Catalyst.

Experience of the Catalyst: First cycle where HE rebelled against the creators.

Every other cycle after that has not been studied since it applies it's solution that has been fixed SINCE THEN.

Modifié par Baronesa, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:49 .

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The catalyst wipes out advanced organic life before it can destroy itself, the existence of organic life disproves nothing.

It proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis. 

Thats an opinion, my opinion is that he's right, you believe otherwise.

Erm, no, that would be an objective fact.

It has nothing but a hypothesis since it has never been proven remotely right.

Prove it. Out of the countless cycles prove it.

The fact that Mass Effect exists as a fictional universe, that the galaxy contains various species. 

That there have been countless cycles. 

That the creators of the Catalyst were ever in a situation to create the Catalyst. Organic life has never been wiped out. 

Not that difficult now, was it? How about you go back and prove the five things I asked you to prove. 

But that also proves I'm right.

[Bill Casey]

Krunjar wrote...

This does not promise a world without conflict.

If Wreav is in charge of the krogan, he prepares for war...
These frames are completely absent from the synthesis ending...

New EDI says that there is peace across the galaxy, and they can eliminate disease, poverty and overpopulation...
Also, they can transcend mortality...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:50 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Colour me confused. 

I'm starting to believe that neither Eterna5 nor the people who endorse the Catalyst's logic even understand what they are endorsing. The reasoning behind the reaper cycle is a four-way fallacious cluster**** of epic proportions. To accept it, one must accept the following:

A: Synthetics and organics are fundamentally different from one another.
B: A is true, therefore synthetics will always rebel against their creators.
C: Because A is true and B is inevitable, it follows that synthetics and organics will engage in a war of extermination.
D: A is true, B is inevitable, and C follows, therefore synthetics will wipe all organic life from the face of the galaxy.

I don't know how anyone could call that anything but insane.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Baronesa wrote...

Experience of the Catalyst: First cycle where HE rebelled against the creators.

Every other cycle after that has not been studied since it applies it's solution that has been fixed SINCE THEN.

It's embarrassing how ****ing stupid this is.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

But that also proves I'm right.

No, it once again proves the Catalyst has nothing but a hypothesis because it has never been proven right, and can't ever be proven, or it is outright wrong because the synthetics have been defeated when they tried. 

Any chance of getting that proof I asked for? 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .

[Bill Casey]

Catalyst: The cycle will end, the reapers will cease their harvest. And the civilizations preserved in their form will be connected to all of us.



Everyone gets Reaper wireless broadband you guys...
A single thought is unknowable and incomprehensibly powerful, and they warp minds just by being near someone...
Let's hook that mother****er up...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:57 .