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[Applepie_Svk]

maaaze wrote...



The Goal of a symbiotic relationship is to reach superiority through mutial benefitial connection between two partys...the result is a higher chance fo conflict when one party is getting more of the relationship than the other...or there is a powergap between the partys.

The Goal of Synthesis is to erase the differences between to partys so no party can reach superiority.
The result is that the chance of conflict remains the same but are nolonger supported by differences and does not move among the lines of the partys. 

Apply synthesis this way:
Organics /Zha/ one half of mind 
Synthetics /Zha´til/ second half of mind
universe / Body  - with achieving symbiosis you did same what with synthesis - there is no point in fighting of two minds inside one body if they can hurt their vessel - it´s body as balance which is heading to peace and understanding. The symbiosis erasing differences which could harm mind for mutual benefit, synthesis erasing species differences... essentials are same...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[The Night Mammoth]

maaaze wrote...

They are all individuals...the Geth now more than ever...but they can not assign themself to be synthetic as much as organics can call themself organics...they are both now organic synthetics.

Then I would never choose synthesis. The Geth define themselves as synthetic beings, and that's good, it's part of their identity. Why would I want to take that away when it serves no advantage? 

So conflict can not arise because one side is superior...they are now both on the same side.

They were all on the same side before, so why do I need synthesis? 

There was no conflict between organics and synthetics. It's the solution to a problem that does not exist. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:58 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Why is this thread still going on?...i thought we established the fact that symbiotic is not the same as synthesis...they are completely different things.

which makes the argument of the OP mute.

It is going on, because it is obvious that the brat and its boys cannot be trusted. The example is valid, because the zha and zha'til had a symbiotic relation and they turned them into monsters to prove the "inevitability" of the threat. And synthesis is a solution to that hypothetical threat. Don't you feel cheated now that you know this?

No...the zah´til were not turned into monsters to prove anything...the reapers had no arguement to make...
They already concluded their reasoning.
They only did that in preparation of the harvest... which is their only concern.

The protheans found a solution to the threat. That means that the threat is not inevitable. Still not feel cheated?

About their concern: The end justifies the means, hey? Don't you have any empathy? Can't you fake it? Because it is really disturbing to read.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:02 .

[Mazebook]

Stornskar wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Why is this thread still going on?...i thought we established the fact that symbiotic is not the same as synthesis...they are completely different things.

which makes the argument of the OP mute.

Do we really know enough about Synthesis to definitively say that it's not a symbiotic relationship between organic and synthetic life within one shell? Saying it's a fact is using strong language

yes we can make that claim...through the given explonations in game...it is clearly stated that they are all still seperate beings. with advanced capabilities and communication and understading. There is no line in the epiloge that suggests a symbiotic relationship...where one party does something a other can´t do and are dependend of one another.

[Mazebook]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Why is this thread still going on?...i thought we established the fact that symbiotic is not the same as synthesis...they are completely different things.

which makes the argument of the OP mute.

It is going on, because it is obvious that the brat and its boys cannot be trusted. The example is valid, because the zha and zha'til had a symbiotic relation and they turned them into monsters to prove the "inevitability" of the threat. And synthesis is a solution to that hypothetical threat. Don't you feel cheated now that you know this?

No...the zah´til were not turned into monsters to prove anything...the reapers had no arguement to make...
They already concluded their reasoning.
They only did that in preparation of the harvest... which is their only concern.

The protheans found a solution for the threat. That means that the threat is not inevitable.

About their concern: The end justifies the means, hey? Don't you have any empathy? Can't you fake it? Because it is really disturbing to read.

Yes they found one...this time...maybe a few Zah´til survive and evolve to be powerful enough to overthrow the Protheans and all other organics...but thats not the concern of the Reapers...they have already established their reasoning to them self...they are not looking to prove anything.

I am extremly empathic. What the reapers do is horrifing...what the Zah´til did to themself is horrifing to me.
To understand why you oppose something...you have to analyse it...to understand the reasoning behind it.
so you can learn how these connection get made and apply it to your own point of view.

To find out where this line of reasoning starts.

The Core is that the Catalyst disregards the value of Individuality...that there is no hope against eternal struggle...
I strongly oppose these line of reasoning. I think every form of live and every part of this live has value and there is hope that conflict will oneday cease to exist.

Garrus said something along these lines (don´t remember the quote)
...your abilty to understanding your enemy defines your own point of view and your own reason to fight it.

Modifié par maaaze, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[Mazebook]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

maaaze wrote...



The Goal of a symbiotic relationship is to reach superiority through mutial benefitial connection between two partys...the result is a higher chance fo conflict when one party is getting more of the relationship than the other...or there is a powergap between the partys.

The Goal of Synthesis is to erase the differences between to partys so no party can reach superiority.
The result is that the chance of conflict remains the same but are nolonger supported by differences and does not move among the lines of the partys. 

Apply synthesis this way:
Organics /Zha/ one half of mind 
Synthetics /Zha´til/ second half of mind
universe / Body  - with achieving symbiosis you did same what with synthesis - there is no point in fighting of two minds inside one body if they can hurt their vessel - it´s body as balance which is heading to peace and understanding. The symbiosis erasing differences which could harm mind for mutual benefit, synthesis erasing species differences... essentials are same...

Your reasoning does not work.
Organics and Syntheics are no longer different...it makes no sense seeing them as two seperate entities in the body of the universe. 

[Bill Casey]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
It's not debatable because it's beyond false...
It's the ideal conclusion for the Reapers, and that's it...

There's a reason "Brave New World" was referenced twice in the notes...

It's the ideal ending for everyone. Peace, rebuilding, unlimited access to knowledge and culture. The only negative is that Shepard flat-out dies. Does it make sense? No, but it's there.

And if you're going to bring notes into play you should realize there's plenty of ways to interpret that. Concepts of the novel's setting are in Synthesis, but that doesn't mean the consequences will be the same of the futuristic utopia that the novel has. If there were real drawbacks to it they would have been shown. That's really grasping at straws, there.

This is really a case of people looking too much into things. I see a peaceful world where everyone wins and others see a conspiracy that we're given no reason to believe other than our own preconceptions and in-depth research that is extremely likely irrelevant to the Mass Effect universe. It just so happens the group in the latter uses pretense and scrutinizing speculation to relentlessly attempt to convince everyone to see it their way. At least Synthesis supporters aren't so overzealous.

You're grasping at straws...
It's ****ing brainwashing for the greater good...

This has been done so many times in science fiction it's not even funny...
People are being rewritten to please the reapers...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Why is this thread still going on?...i thought we established the fact that symbiotic is not the same as synthesis...they are completely different things.

which makes the argument of the OP mute.

It is going on, because it is obvious that the brat and its boys cannot be trusted. The example is valid, because the zha and zha'til had a symbiotic relation and they turned them into monsters to prove the "inevitability" of the threat. And synthesis is a solution to that hypothetical threat. Don't you feel cheated now that you know this?

No...the zah´til were not turned into monsters to prove anything...the reapers had no arguement to make...
They already concluded their reasoning.
They only did that in preparation of the harvest... which is their only concern.

The protheans found a solution for the threat. That means that the threat is not inevitable.

About their concern: The end justifies the means, hey? Don't you have any empathy? Can't you fake it? Because it is really disturbing to read.

Yes they found one...this time...maybe a few Zah´til survive and evolve to be powerful enough to overthrow the Protheans and all other organics...but thats not the concern of the Reapers...they have already established their reasoning to them self...they are not looking to prove anything.

I am extremly empathic. What the reapers do is horrifing...what the Zah´til did to themself is horrifing to me.
To understand why you oppose something...you have to analyse it...to understand the reasoning behind it.
so you can learn how these connection get made and apply it to your own point of view.

To find out where this line of reasoning starts.

The Core is that the Catalyst disregards the value of Individuality...that there is no hope against eternal struggle...
I strongly oppose these line of reasoning. I think every form of live and every part of this live has value and there is hope that conflict will oneday cease to exist.

Garrus said something along these lines (don´t remember the quote)
...your abilty to understanding your enemy defines your own point of view and your own reason to fight it.

They have used any horrific trick imaginable. Yet, with your knowledge of that enemy, you have decided to join them. Why do you feel it is safe to trust those guys with *anything*?

BTW: The zha'til did not survive. The protheans took care of that. Read the OP. Still not feel cheated?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[Mazebook]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Why is this thread still going on?...i thought we established the fact that symbiotic is not the same as synthesis...they are completely different things.

which makes the argument of the OP mute.

It is going on, because it is obvious that the brat and its boys cannot be trusted. The example is valid, because the zha and zha'til had a symbiotic relation and they turned them into monsters to prove the "inevitability" of the threat. And synthesis is a solution to that hypothetical threat. Don't you feel cheated now that you know this?

No...the zah´til were not turned into monsters to prove anything...the reapers had no arguement to make...
They already concluded their reasoning.
They only did that in preparation of the harvest... which is their only concern.

The protheans found a solution for the threat. That means that the threat is not inevitable.

About their concern: The end justifies the means, hey? Don't you have any empathy? Can't you fake it? Because it is really disturbing to read.

Yes they found one...this time...maybe a few Zah´til survive and evolve to be powerful enough to overthrow the Protheans and all other organics...but thats not the concern of the Reapers...they have already established their reasoning to them self...they are not looking to prove anything.

I am extremly empathic. What the reapers do is horrifing...what the Zah´til did to themself is horrifing to me.
To understand why you oppose something...you have to analyse it...to understand the reasoning behind it.
so you can learn how these connection get made and apply it to your own point of view.

To find out where this line of reasoning starts.

The Core is that the Catalyst disregards the value of Individuality...that there is no hope against eternal struggle...
I strongly oppose these line of reasoning. I think every form of live and every part of this live has value and there is hope that conflict will oneday cease to exist.

Garrus said something along these lines (don´t remember the quote)
...your abilty to understanding your enemy defines your own point of view and your own reason to fight it.

They have used any horrific trick imaginable. Yet, with your knowledge of that enemy, you have decided to join them. Why do you feel it is safe to trust those guys with *anything*?

What ???
What are you talking about... where did i decide to join them?

What the Catalyst talks about makes sense...that does not mean that I agree with him. I think there is hope.
Every one of the 3 decisions ends their horrific practice and establishes a different path... a path of hope.

[well then some other organic beings come with their version of synthetic live and to overthrow the organics...the catalyst argues that this cycle continues to arise till the unstoppable end of all organics... why i should feel cheated?] 

Modifié par maaaze, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:58 .

[zambot]

You actually think that the people who wrote the endings remembered there was a race called Zha?

[MegaSovereign]

I didn't know that the Zha'til were half organic/synthetic. I thought they were similar to the Geth.

[Mazebook]

zambot wrote...

You actually think that the people who wrote the endings remembered there was a race called Zha?

yes of course ...it was established in the same game... and they compliment each other...

[Baronesa]

maaaze wrote...

zambot wrote...

You actually think that the people who wrote the endings remembered there was a race called Zha?

yes of course ...it was established in the same game... and they compliment each other...

Like how they forgot that Thane was a romance option?

[Mazebook]

Baronesa wrote...

maaaze wrote...

zambot wrote...

You actually think that the people who wrote the endings remembered there was a race called Zha?

yes of course ...it was established in the same game... and they compliment each other...

Like how they forgot that Thane was a romance option?

I am pretty sure Thane called my Femshep Shia in my last playthrough...and they were making out.

so I don´t know what you are talking about. [offtopic by the way]

[What a Succulent Ass]

^ Weekes said they forgot about Thane.

[AngryFrozenWater]

maaaze wrote...

What are you talking about... where did i decide to join them?

I was under the impression that you opted for synthesis.

maaaze wrote...

What the Catalyst talks about makes sense...that does not mean that I agree with him. I think there is hope.
Every one of the 3 decisions ends their horrific practice and establishes a different path... a path of hope.

I don't see any hope in any of them. They require condoning their actions, betrayal or commit an atrocity. I think BW went too far with the ending.

maaaze wrote...

well then some other organic beings come with their version of synthetic live and to overthrow the organics...the catalyst argues that this cycle continues to arise till the unstoppable end of all organics...

He can argue anyway he wants, but we've never seen any of that happening. Either the organics or the reapers turned the synthetics hostile. Not the other way around.

maaaze wrote...

why i should feel cheated?

Because there is absolutely no proof of the inevitable threat. The only threat that we know are the reapers. We are are certainly better off without them. The zha'til are a good example. The reapers turned them against the zha. The protheans solved the issue by blowing them up. If it wasn't for the reapers then they lived happily ever after. That proves the threat is not inevitable. Yet the brat decided to continue its genocide spree.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Random Jerkface wrote...

^ Weekes said they forgot about Thane.

Really? Have they forgotten Miranda too? It's just as lame as Thane's romance in ME3.

[Applepie_Svk]

maaaze wrote...



Your reasoning does not work.
Organics and Syntheics are no longer different...it makes no sense seeing them as two seperate entities in the body of the universe. 

It working as it is... they are still separate entities and literally sharing one body - universe / same as Synthetics and Organics /

[Mazebook]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

maaaze wrote...

What are you talking about... where did i decide to join them?

I was under the impression that you opted for synthesis.

maaaze wrote...

What the Catalyst talks about makes sense...that does not mean that I agree with him. I think there is hope.
Every one of the 3 decisions ends their horrific practice and establishes a different path... a path of hope.

I don't see any hope in any of them. They require condoning their actions, betrayal or commit an atrocity. I think BW went too far with the ending.

maaaze wrote...

well then some other organic beings come with their version of synthetic live and to overthrow the organics...the catalyst argues that this cycle continues to arise till the unstoppable end of all organics...

He can argue anyway he wants, but we've never seen any of that happening. Either the organics or the reapers turned the synthetics hostile. Not the other way around.

maaaze wrote...

why i should feel cheated?

Because there is absolutely no proof of the inevitable threat. The only threat that we know are the reapers. We are are certainly better off without them. The zha'til are a good example. The reapers turned them against the zha. The protheans solved the issue by blowing them up. If it wasn't for the reapers then they lived happily ever after. That proves the threat is not inevitable. Yet the brat decided to continue its genocide spree.

I was under the impression that you opted for synthesis. 

I roleplay I pick what my Shaperd would pick...there are valid reasons for and against all 4 choises...

I don't see any hope in any of them. They require condoning their actions, betrayal or commit an atrocity. I think BW went too far with the ending. 

I don´t see how destroying them is condoning their actions...The point is that all of the choises are better than what the reapers do right now...if you don´t agree with that you  can refuse.

The choises are hard on prurpose.

The valid reasons for destroy...it ends the reaper thread once and for all but you have to sacrifice the synthetics.

The valid reasons for control...you can use the reapers to see that no more harm will be done but you have to sacifice your humanity.

The valid reason for synthesis... you let the universe reach the next evolutionary step (see it like giving every human on earth wings) to give them new chances of understanding...but you sacrifice the uniqness of organics and synthetics alike.

He can argue anyway he wants, but we've never seen any of that happening. Either the organics or the reapers turned the synthetics hostile. Not the other way around.

But the catalyst does not argue...he has his facts and conclusion already made...As a being that lives for million years he has a attention span that is greater than ours...He already concluded.

Wether the Synthetics got hositle by choise or by force does not matter in the end...in the end it only matters what is the result...and that conflict will arise...and what the ultimate end result of the conflict will be.

Because there is absolutely no proof of the inevitable threat. The only threat that we know are the reapers. We are are certainly better off without them. The zha'til are a good example. The reapers turned them against the zha. The protheans solved the issue by blowing them up. 

Yes but if the reapers could do it...so can others in given time... we know that conflict will always be around us...

The Catalyst has no hope and expects in the endresult the worst.

If it wasn't for the reapers then they lived happily ever after.

This isn´t a fairy tale...like I said Synthetics evolution does not simply stop.

That proves the threat is not inevitable. Yet the brat decided to continue its genocide spree.

It only proves that conflicts can be won by Organics...but not all the time.

[Mazebook]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

maaaze wrote...



Your reasoning does not work.
Organics and Syntheics are no longer different...it makes no sense seeing them as two seperate entities in the body of the universe. 

It working as it is... they are still separate entities and literally sharing one body - universe / same as Synthetics and Organics /

No...THAT is the POINT of SYNTHESIS...the are no longer definable by distinguishing them as Organic and Synthetic. They share the same characteristics...

its like saying on part of the mind Human and the other part of the mind is also Human. 

[Lochmonster2012]

Hmm yes, yes ... very thought provoking stuff but answer a few questions for me,

1. so when the magic space  beam of green light goes out how does one obtain the synthetic (For organics) and organic (for syntectics/knowledge?) parts needed to become apart of the collect.... i mean the new golden age?

2. So the reason we listen to star brat is because he is an advanced AI, and that he has had countless millenia (as far as we know) to think upon this while he killed and converted his creators into reaper form and countless other (given what we see of the reaper fleet Remember each ship or two is one cycle) , thus starting the cycle out of HIS own fault, thus condeming every SENTIENT life to a cycle of a measly and yes i say measly due to the fact that however as long as the Star brat has been "alive" it is a teeny tinny portion given what we are told and shown (Stated above), thus he has the right to change us because one person is allowed to decide the fate of all?

3. Also fill in a few plotholes for me, most if not all games that are a trilogy up should have the main end planned out right and in a game like this more sub endings planned out near the start then how come star brat just didnt tell the keepers that are on HIS HOME to open the Massive deep space relay or do it himself? and why is the reapers motive to hard to understand in ME but easily told in ME 3?

and thats all i can think of at the moment and mute is turning off volume, moot is the word for a moot point.

[robertthebard]

The Angry One wrote...

maaaze wrote...

 they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, 

/facepalm x3
The Reapers did that.

/facepalm x4:

Reapers subjugate them
Zha'til then sieze control of the bodies of their masters and alter them.

Now, exactly how they pull this off is a mystery to me, but I didn't provide the text, I'm just reading it as presented.  That you choose to ignore the context, or order of operations does not a plothole make.  Which is a rather common theme amongst some detractors.  Of course, all of this is moot to me, since the game really ends at the beam in London.

[Mazebook]

Lochmonster2012 wrote...

Hmm yes, yes ... very thought provoking stuff but answer a few questions for me,

1. so when the magic space  beam of green light goes out how does one obtain the synthetic (For organics) and organic (for syntectics/knowledge?) parts needed to become apart of the collect.... i mean the new golden age?

2. So the reason we listen to star brat is because he is an advanced AI, and that he has had countless millenia (as far as we know) to think upon this while he killed and converted his creators into reaper form and countless other (given what we see of the reaper fleet Remember each ship or two is one cycle) , thus starting the cycle out of HIS own fault, thus condeming every SENTIENT life to a cycle of a measly and yes i say measly due to the fact that however as long as the Star brat has been "alive" it is a teeny tinny portion given what we are told and shown (Stated above), thus he has the right to change us because one person is allowed to decide the fate of all?

3. Also fill in a few plotholes for me, most if not all games that are a trilogy up should have the main end planned out right and in a game like this more sub endings planned out near the start then how come star brat just didnt tell the keepers that are on HIS HOME to open the Massive deep space relay or do it himself? and why is the reapers motive to hard to understand in ME but easily told in ME 3?

and thats all i can think of at the moment and mute is turning off volume, moot is the word for a moot point.

Hi, there...i guess you were talking to me?!

1. I am not sure what you mean?! I guess you mean how they stay part synthetic and organic?
    well they were changed on a atomic level...so both have the chance to evolve (if further evolution is possible)
    at the same time with the same speed. So they would evolve along the same lines...as long as they are not     seperated from each other.

btw. everything in Sci-Fi is by definition space magic

2. 
 thus starting the cycle out of HIS own fault, thus condeming every SENTIENT life to a cycle of a measly and yes i say measly due to the fact that however as long as the Star brat has been "alive" it is a teeny tinny portion given what we are told and shown (Stated above), thus he has the right to change us because one person is allowed to decide the fate of all? 

Your point is alittle bit confusing. The Catalyst said that he tried many solutions (maybe he really tried all) and this was the only solution that worked (taking away the Individuality of both partys and combining them into one being)

Nobody says he has the right to change us...that right was given by the creators by accident since they given him too much power....so i am not sure what you point is.

3. 
Also fill in a few plotholes for me, most if not all games that are a trilogy up should have the main end planned out right and in a game like this more sub endings planned out near the start then how come star brat just didnt tell the keepers that are on HIS HOME to open the Massive deep space relay or do it himself? and why is the reapers motive to hard to understand in ME but easily told in ME 3? 

First it would not make sense that he would make a solution that would depend on himself...because this solution would not be final by default...so he is not involved in the solution beyond the initial creation.

second...he can´t...just because he lives there does not mean has control over it. The keepers were suppose to do that...and the Protheans changed the Keepers ...so they would not respond.

The reapers motives were a mystery and were revealed at the last minutes of the plot...and it seems to me that many people have a hard time understanding the reapers motives...though i think it is not that hard.



Thanks for pointing out  that it is moot and not mute...

Modifié par maaaze, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .

[Lochmonster2012]

maaaze wrote...

Lochmonster2012 wrote...

Hmm yes, yes ... very thought provoking stuff but answer a few questions for me,

1. so when the magic space  beam of green light goes out how does one obtain the synthetic (For organics) and organic (for syntectics/knowledge?) parts needed to become apart of the collect.... i mean the new golden age?

2. So the reason we listen to star brat is because he is an advanced AI, and that he has had countless millenia (as far as we know) to think upon this while he killed and converted his creators into reaper form and countless other (given what we see of the reaper fleet Remember each ship or two is one cycle) , thus starting the cycle out of HIS own fault, thus condeming every SENTIENT life to a cycle of a measly and yes i say measly due to the fact that however as long as the Star brat has been "alive" it is a teeny tinny portion given what we are told and shown (Stated above), thus he has the right to change us because one person is allowed to decide the fate of all?

3. Also fill in a few plotholes for me, most if not all games that are a trilogy up should have the main end planned out right and in a game like this more sub endings planned out near the start then how come star brat just didnt tell the keepers that are on HIS HOME to open the Massive deep space relay or do it himself? and why is the reapers motive to hard to understand in ME but easily told in ME 3?

and thats all i can think of at the moment and mute is turning off volume, moot is the word for a moot point.

Hi, there...i guess you were talking to me?!

1. I am not sure what you mean?! I guess you mean how they stay part synthetic and organic?
    well they were changed on a atomic level...so both have the chance to evolve (if further evolution is possible)
    at the same time with the same speed. So they would evolve along the same lines...as long as they are not     seperated from each other.

btw. everything in Sci-Fi is by definition space magic

2. 
 thus starting the cycle out of HIS own fault, thus condeming every SENTIENT life to a cycle of a measly and yes i say measly due to the fact that however as long as the Star brat has been "alive" it is a teeny tinny portion given what we are told and shown (Stated above), thus he has the right to change us because one person is allowed to decide the fate of all? 

Your point is alittle bit confusing. The Catalyst said that he tried many solutions (maybe he really tried all) and this was the only solution that worked (taking away the Individuality of both partys and combining them into one being)

Nobody says he has the right to change us...that right was given by the creators by accident since they given him too much power....so i am not sure what you point is.

3. 
Also fill in a few plotholes for me, most if not all games that are a trilogy up should have the main end planned out right and in a game like this more sub endings planned out near the start then how come star brat just didnt tell the keepers that are on HIS HOME to open the Massive deep space relay or do it himself? and why is the reapers motive to hard to understand in ME but easily told in ME 3? 

First it would not make sense that he would make a solution that would depend on himself...because this solution would not be final by default...so he is not involved in the solution beyond the initial creation.

second...he can´t...just because he lives there does not mean has control over it. The keepers were suppose to do that...and the Protheans changed the Keepers ...so they would not respond.

The reapers motives were a mystery and were revealed at the last minutes of the plot...and it seems to me that many people have a hard time understanding the reapers motives...though i think it is not that hard.



Thanks for pointing out  that it is moot and not mute...

i was asking anyone really but too point out a few things tho
1. does that mean that we arnt individual anymore so in the first too games are telling us how genectically diverse the humans are and thats what makes us special, so in the catalysts view the ends justify forcibly changing everyone AGAINST the majoritys will i might add to a single PERFECT dna strands therefore, sentients become stagnant because they do not have to evolve anymore so there is not really any goal in life anymore unless you include going to other galaxies somehow and forcing the SENTIENTS there to join the collect... i mean the golden age?

2. and umm my point was umm i am a bit confused myself but i think i meant that just becasue it happened every other cycle Mabye? that this is infact the only option why not just give Synthetics knowledge of organics and how they work but ask each person if they want to be forcibly upgrade to a Cyborg?? borg? or just let the synthetics be knowledge and give something for organics to still strive for with help of the synthetics (bar reapers they must die too many war crimes) but do all synthectics that we know of want to be forced down the path and given a future and all the answers i dont think so like legion said  "Geth Build our own future. The heretics asked the Old Machines to give them the future. They are no longer part of us."

and the catalyst would know if something was wrong or why they didnt activate the deep space mass relay, i mean he is a Advanced AI, he** he is more advanced then EDI in number three and she can do alot of things at once why cant he??

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Zha created AI that turned against them. It is the same case when Quarians created Geth. So this whole post is pointless. AI always destroy organic life, in every story. Every.