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[Adugan]

 This is a thread for Crusader Kings 2, to figure out wtf all the stuff does. When I started my game, I was overwhelmed with all the details and things I could do. An enemy army was attacking a province near me, I dont know if it was an ally or a vassal or whatever, but I couldnt control anything in that province. I tried attacking the enemy army with my army, but I lost 90% of my troops because I didnt know how to make the army bigger.

So TLDR: WTF is going on with this game? Are there any veterans that can explain how all the stuff works?

[Inquisitor Recon]

No clue, but if I've learned one thing from Medieval Total War it is this: Start ruthlessly murdering peasants and never stop.

[Cyberarmy]

It is a very detalied game and will blow your mind.

Read this all

And for beginners

You just need a lot of time to fully discover the game and master it.

[TobiTobsen]

ReconTeam wrote...

No clue, but if I've learned one thing from Medieval Total War it is this: Start ruthlessly murdering peasants and never stop.

Actually in Crusader Kings II it's more like "murder your family, friends, vassals and especially enemies, if anybody has any claims on stuff, or holds a title that you or your heir have claims on"

Oh and Sword of Islam adds another layer: "Imprision and banish or execute every male family member besides you heir, otherwise tribes from the desert will try to depose your decadent household with hundreds upon hundreads of troops or the Hashashin will murder everybody at your court."

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .

[LTD]

Whatever you do, don't start your(first) game as a King or, God forbid, Emperor of HRE. Rather begin as a lowly count with very modest holdings and stick to him at least until you've figured most of the basics out. Generally speaking, I wager majority of people enjoy starting as a lowly Count and Scheming, Warring, Assassinating, Marrying and Pimping their way to top! Gives it more flavor than "having it all" from day 1. And undeniably it's best when you are still figuring things out.

[CrazyRah]

LTD wrote...

Whatever you do, don't start your(first) game as a King or, God forbid, Emperor of HRE. Rather begin as a lowly count with very modest holdings and stick to him at least until you've figured most of the basics out. Generally speaking, I wager majority of people enjoy starting as a lowly Count and Scheming, Warring, Assassinating, Marrying and Pimping their way to top! Gives it more flavor than "having it all" from day 1. And undeniably it's best when you are still figuring things out.

This! I personally started out as the count of Värmland when i bought the game during a sale a while back. It was so confusing but since i was only a count none really messed with me and i learned the game at my own pace.

It was so much fun taking some land and then get rewarded by the king with the title of Duke of Bergslagen. At that moment i got some power and  could marry my son to another dukes daughter and he.. died untimely so i suddenly owned almost 1/5 of Sweden at generation 2. After that it was all a question of time before i established myself as the powehouse in Sweden and usurped the crown through assassinating a 87 year old lady that took the throne right infront of me just 2 years earlier.

[Adugan]

I wish I could play as the Russians, but its unclickable and unselectable in the game

Modifié par Adugan, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I will gladly chime in from time to time in this thread too!

I'm busy at the moment though

[Brockololly]

I missed getting Crusader Kings 2 when it was a daily deal on Steam, so I'm holding out hope it goes back on as a Flash deal. I want this just for the Game of Thrones mod

[Chewin]

^I recommend it. Great fun and adds a whole another viewpoint to the game. God I love mods.

[Allan Schumacher]

I have enjoyed Paradox games since EU2, and fell in love with them with Hearts of Iron 2. Been a fan ever since. CK2 is a great game, but it's such a unique take on a strategy game as it's so character focused.

It actually has awesome roleplay potential if you're okay making "suboptimal" choices to stay within character.

The game is still fairly new so the community Wikia isn't too fleshed out, but with most Paradox games it gets pretty in depth over time. Here's a starter guide:

http://crusaderkings...eginner's_Guide

I didn't find the game too tricky to figure out the basics. Learning about holdings and how they work, as well as titles and how to keep your empire together can take some time. I do highly recommend starting as a Count/Earl somewhere, just to get the hang of the interface and whatnot. You'll have much less to do (and hence much less to worry about), and it's easier to take in the responsibilities of being a Duke when you grow into it (by taking other people's land... hehe).

As a fun, brief AAR:

I was playing a multiplayer game with a friend. I was his vassal, a Duke in Spain. I had a female be my only heir, so I had a female ruler. I didn't realize I had to do a matrilineal marriage to keep my kids in my dynasty. So when I gave birth, I had huge warnings that if I died it was game over. I was also quickly pregnant again...

So I got the ol' Spymaster out and had him help plot to kill my husband. Which I did.
I quickly remarried matrilineally. But I still had that one kid... plus an unborn child!

I was able to assassinate the one. And then two days after my second child was born, he mysteriously died as well >.>

But the dynasty prevailed!

[Dave of Canada]

Good ol' player maternal instinct.

[CroGamer002]

LTD wrote...

Whatever you do, don't start your(first) game as a King or, God forbid, Emperor of HRE. Rather begin as a lowly count with very modest holdings and stick to him at least until you've figured most of the basics out. Generally speaking, I wager majority of people enjoy starting as a lowly Count and Scheming, Warring, Assassinating, Marrying and Pimping their way to top! Gives it more flavor than "having it all" from day 1. And undeniably it's best when you are still figuring things out.

Heh.

I guess I'll have to delay creation of Croatian Empire.

[Adugan]

How do you increase in ranks? I have tried playing 2 games, but my great great grandchild is still the same rank as the first guy I played. Nobody higher than me wants to marry me and there is no way to increase my rank otherwise.

Modifié par Adugan, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:04 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Truth be told, with Paradox games there's no substitute for experience. You've pretty much just got to jump in and wing it until you really know what you're doing.It will be a bit easier if you're familiar with the first CK (I'm not) or Paradox games in general (which I am). And as said above, starting small will help. Don't try playing as William of Normandy or the King of France from the get-go.

Oddly enough I often find Poland is a good place to start in grand strategy games (yes, even in Hearts of Iron - and it's fun in Empire Total War too), as you generally don't start off with a ton of complexity but you've got plenty of room to grow and usually a lot of interesting things going on around you. In CK2 it's a kingdom at the start but not actually significantly bigger or more complex than a Duchy. I actually started my first real game by using the character creator and taking over a the Queen of Poland (and promptly lost control of half the kingdom because I was an excommunicated homosexual - but I put down the rebellion so it worked out).

Starting off as a mere Count can be very rewarding, but it will also try your patience a bit. So I'd suggest that for a second game, once you've flamed out of your first game as a Duke or small King and have a better idea of what you're doing.

Also - this is literally the best A Song Of Ice And Fire game ever made. Much more so than the official GoT games.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Just one thing about playing Poland, read this as many times as it takes to grok its essence.

13. HRE. That’s Holy Roman Empire for those of you who don’t have the game. You are a minor lord. You’re outside the HRE. The HRE think that by rights you should be part of it. They declare war. Approximately 100,000,000,000 soldiers are now headed your way, supported by the wealth of half Europe. Your army of 11 people and a pig stand no chance! Swiftly, you send a grovelling peace offer. Denied! They want your title, without you attached. And since you can’t give away your last title, that means…


14. Pagans. Hi, I’m the King of Poland. My realm is compact, and pretty, and peaceful, and rich, and it’s got some nice armies too. Life is happy! Oh look, one of my neighbours is a one-province pagan dude with no allies. He will be easy to crush. Based on the number of soldiers I get from my provinces, he should have around 250 soldiers. War time! Let’s loot – er, convert the savages. Argh! Where did they all come from, the thousands of angry pagans, with the anger and the pointy weapons, and did I mention that there’s thousands of them!? Gah! My armies are all dead without so much as denting the hordes! Now all my other pagan neighbours are declaring war on me too! God? I need some help spreading Your word (and not dying) here. God? Are You there? God? God!?

This has caused at least one panicked reload to the last autosave on my part.

[Allan Schumacher]

Started a game as the Count of Glamoragan in Wales. Made a claim for the local Duke's province, stripping him of his county (and his duchy). Now pressing into the Duchy of Gwynedd. I suspect I'll be the Prince of Wales shortly

[LPPrince]

Unfortunately for Allan, being The Prince of Wales pales in comparison to being THE PRINCE OF THE WOOOOORLD.

*bows*

[Allan Schumacher]

I suppose technically, I'll be King of Wales >.>

Ireland is next!

[Godak]

Start up a game as Abyssinia. Nothing can possibly go wrong.

Find a nice independent county/duke in Ireland to get a hang of the basic gameplay, as well as some basic intrigue (forging claims, creating titles to get de jure territory casus bellis).

After you understand some of the basics, you may want to move on to a vassal in the HRE to get an understanding of the various intricacies that come with being a minor/major lord.

STAY AWAY FROM IBERIA/HISPANIA! The newest patch has made survival as the Christian Kingdoms nigh impossible. It is mostly about luck, really - if a holy war is declared on you within the first months, you're probably ruined, even with the help of your dynastic allies. France usually has internal problems early on, so they tend to ignore the encroaching taifa states.

Aaaaanyway, that's all I have to say for now. The key to learning really is to just persevere through all of the crazy wacky stuff this baby has to offer.

...Speaking of babies, do NOT marry your second cousin. It will end poorly for you. Just watch what happens to the massive Rurikovich dynasty that controls western Russia. In-breeding will eat you alive.

[Adugan]

I tried playing as Rostov, the country is fairly stable with a 2500 man army. All of the sudden one country declares war on me, I go to fight them, two more countries call me a tyrant and declare war on me, my vassals call me a tyrant and declare war on me, I lose all my armies and thats it. This game has weird mechanics.

[Allan Schumacher]

Hmmm, going to war (especially a defensive one) shouldn't get you labeled a tyrant.

Were you revoking vassal titles or imprisoning people without cause at all?

[RedArmyShogun]

Hmm I might would play this if I could be the mongols and take all of Europe for the Glory of the Khan lulz.

[Adugan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm, going to war (especially a defensive one) shouldn't get you labeled a tyrant.

Were you revoking vassal titles or imprisoning people without cause at all?

I had to give away landed titles because my demesne was 17/7, then I imprisoned one vassal because it said he was likely to rebel. That was after the two other countries declared war on me though. Could it have something to do with levies being raised too long?