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[Taboo]

iakus wrote...

The Synthesis crowd is headcanoning Shepard surviving? 

You read correctly.

Don't think I just post ****.

Ieldra has plans to do it.

It's just more plausible in Destroy.

[Baa Baa]

The Twilight God wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

After reunion ending he can be hit by a car. Doesn't matter what could be, the only real ultimate fate of Shepard can be death, because as long as he lives, he can still die... As long as the game goes, the ultimate fate of Shepard in high EMS ending is being alive, under a pile of rubble. Worse than being alive in bed, better than not being alive. The most important information was still presented - he is alive, even if mere seconds before you thought he's not. Story ends on an upbeat.

Maybe being the the space faring equivalent of the dark ages, killing the geth and your friend EDI, and have your crew stranded (2 of them starving to death) is a good ending to you, but not me. Especially when you can have a utopia or reaper body guards and nobody has to suffer. Destroy is a terrible ending.

Utopias don't last, they never do, Shepard can get overcome with power in Control. All endings are awful if you look at them from a nihilistic point of view.

[GeneralBacon339]

 i'm on the OP's side, i can't stand that my ultimate hero died in a game of free choice and hope against all odds!  Especially since i did all of the paragon choices and only lost (out of all 3 games) Kaiden or Ashley ME1, Mordin ME3 and Thane ME3!

I demand retirement for my hero!  perhaps permanent injury has eliminated Shepard's combat effectiveness in prolonged combat?  What if my shepard chose retirement with his/her love interest?  What if s/he took a desk job with the allience?  Like an Admiral Hackett position?  or a Councilor?

[Pitznik]

The Twilight God wrote...


Maybe being the the space faring equivalent of the dark ages, killing the geth and your friend EDI, and have your crew stranded (2 of them starving to death) is a good ending to you, but not me. Especially when you can have a utopia or reaper body guards and nobody has to suffer. Destroy is a terrible ending.

EC shows there won't be any "dark ages", maybe "dark months", in worst case "dark years". I regret EDI's death, couldn't care less about murderous Reaper allies the Geth. My crew isn't stranded, they didn't go through the relay, they must be nearby the rendezvous point, so dextro supplies are not a problem. Very good ending, overall, I'm actually satisfied with it. Catalyst still sucks, but I can live with that.

[The Twilight God]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Sorry but you misread my paragraph. If they had replaced the breath scene with a scene that showed Shepard alive in the hospital with his/her LI visiting or reading if no LI in the EC, no one would ever pick Control or Synthesis. Why? Closure.

They just couldn't bring themselves to make one single commitment about the scene that doesn't work -- the breath scene.

If the choices weren't presented in such a ridiculous manner I would pick them over Destory for certain Shepard playthoughs. As they are now they simply make no sense for any rational person. Suiciding on the word of a reaper is stupid. Shepard meeting up with his crew isn't as important as galactic peace to 2 of my more paragon Shepards. Control makes sense for one of my renegades (and maybe my paragade). The other 3(or 2) would pick Destroy. Just because you personally would always choose to survive in every playthrough doesn't mean everyone else would.

Synthesis and Control have closure. Shepard is dead.

Destroy does not. It's up in the air. The last thing you see of Shepard is a body lying in rubble. The End. 

[The Twilight God]

[quote]Baa Baa wrote...
Maybe being the the space faring equivalent of the dark ages, killing the geth and your friend EDI, and have your crew stranded (2 of them starving to death) is a good ending to you, but not me. Especially when you can have a utopia or reaper body guards and nobody has to suffer. Destroy is a terrible ending.[/quote]
Utopias don't last, they never do, Shepard can get overcome with power in Control. All endings are awful if you look at them from a nihilistic point of view.

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I'm not looking in a nihilist point of view. I'm taking the FACTS and the ESTABLISHED LORE and coming to the only rational conclusion. If people want to sugarcoat Destroy bacause they need to keep Shepard alive that's their puragative. Does their puragative fit with what we know about the ME universe... no.

[The Twilight God]

Pitznik wrote...

EC shows there won't be any "dark ages", maybe "dark months", in worst case "dark years". I regret EDI's death, couldn't care less about murderous Reaper allies the Geth. My crew isn't stranded, they didn't go through the relay, they must be nearby the rendezvous point, so dextro supplies are not a problem. Very good ending, overall, I'm actually satisfied with it. Catalyst still sucks, but I can live with that.

Shepard and his crew are F'd in Destroy.  The EC depicts how it ultimately turns out centuries later after Shepard is dead and gone. A "dark age" is the only outcome for the immediate future. If you want to ignore the established lore and coat the ending in sprinkles be my guess.

[Taboo]

The Twilight God wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

EC shows there won't be any "dark ages", maybe "dark months", in worst case "dark years". I regret EDI's death, couldn't care less about murderous Reaper allies the Geth. My crew isn't stranded, they didn't go through the relay, they must be nearby the rendezvous point, so dextro supplies are not a problem. Very good ending, overall, I'm actually satisfied with it. Catalyst still sucks, but I can live with that.

Shepard and his crew are F'd in Destroy.  The EC depicts how it ultimately turns out centuries later after Shepard is dead and gone. A "dark age" is the only outcome for the immediate future. If you want to ignore the established lore and coat the ending in sprinkles be my guess.

Which ending did you ****ing watch?

Are you high?

[Pitznik]

The Twilight God wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

EC shows there won't be any "dark ages", maybe "dark months", in worst case "dark years". I regret EDI's death, couldn't care less about murderous Reaper allies the Geth. My crew isn't stranded, they didn't go through the relay, they must be nearby the rendezvous point, so dextro supplies are not a problem. Very good ending, overall, I'm actually satisfied with it. Catalyst still sucks, but I can live with that.

Shepard and his crew are F'd in Destroy.  The EC depicts how it ultimately turns out centuries later after Shepard is dead and gone. A "dark age" is the only outcome for the immediate future. If you want to ignore the established lore and coat the ending in sprinkles be my guess.

What "established lore" are you talking about?

[Baa Baa]

[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Baa Baa wrote...
Maybe being the the space faring equivalent of the dark ages, killing the geth and your friend EDI, and have your crew stranded (2 of them starving to death) is a good ending to you, but not me. Especially when you can have a utopia or reaper body guards and nobody has to suffer. Destroy is a terrible ending.[/quote]
Utopias don't last, they never do, Shepard can get overcome with power in Control. All endings are awful if you look at them from a nihilistic point of view.

[/quote]

"I'm not looking in a nihilist point of view. I'm taking the FACTS and the ESTABLISHED LORE and coming to the only rational conclusion. If people want to sugarcoat Destroy bacause they need to keep Shepard alive that's their puragative. Does their puragative fit with what we know about the ME universe... no."
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BioWare stated that there would be no dark ages, or people starving to death (at least if you have good EMS). And the EC implies that the relays will be fixed in a few years. But if you look at it from a nihilistic point of view, something will probably go wrong, and the relays may not be fixed for hundreds of years, possibly resulting in the deaths of billions due to starvation. And rational conclusions are apparently irrevelent in ME3. I thought it would be perfectly reasonable to think Synthesis should result in riots and mass suicides (much like how the purists view augmentations in Deus Ex HR) but no... everyone is happy and even Javik hasn't looked for a noose yet. And Control totally goes against everything Shepard has fought for, but ok.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:39 .

[rapscallioness]

I just want to leave the bad place now. I don't want to play DLC that takes me back to the bad place. I don't want threats of a prequel.

I just want something new to get excited about. To take my mind away from the.....journey...I have been through.

[krasnoarmeets]

Pitznik wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

In the destroy ending and every other one all the fleets leave the system and the mass relays are toast, but supposedly repairable, right? Given that all the fleets have left the system and can't return until the relays have been repaired it makes rescuing Shepard from the rubble a little bit problematic, doesn't it? I'm sure there are shuttles left on Earth, but didn't it say that all tech would be damaged? Given that the Citadel's mass effect envelope would be down, wouldn't he be exposed to vacuum?

They leave using FTL drives, not the relay, which is explicitly shown. So they can come back using as much time as it took them to leave. All tech is damaged in low EMS, not in high, which again is shown.

Fair call with the FTl thing, I remember that now, my bad. The Normandy does use the relay though given the whole stupid garden world crash thing which doesn't sense like any of the rest of it. The citadel explodes though, Shepard's hardsuit in no longer intact and there's still the whole vacuum thing. The mass effect envelope would still have to be intact for him to survive.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[Baa Baa]

rapscallioness wrote...

I just want to leave the bad place now. I don't want to play DLC that takes me back to the bad place. I don't want threats of a prequel.

I just want something new to get excited about. To take my mind away from the.....journey...I have been through.

Don't worry, AC3 is coming out all faith in gaming shall be restored....
Or you could play some Deus Ex HR. That'll get you're mind off the "journey."

[MegaSovereign]

Eain wrote...

Is there anything more infuriating than a band of storytellers copping out so blatantly as to throw their hands up and go "you know what? **** it, we have no idea, you figure it out."

A couple things...But what you say is definitely in the top 5.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:45 .

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eain wrote...

Is there anything more infuriating than a band of storytellers copping out so blatantly as to throw their hands up and go "you know what? **** it, we have no idea, you figure it out."

A couple things...But what you say is definitely in the top 5.

[Taboo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eain wrote...

Is there anything more infuriating than a band of storytellers copping out so blatantly as to throw their hands up and go "you know what? **** it, we have no idea, you figure it out."

A couple things...But what you say is definitely in the top 5.

THE TRAFFIC JAM SCENE IN WEEKEND.

****ING A GODARD.

But in all seriousness, this kind of thing happens all the time...

[rapscallioness]

Baa Baa wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I just want to leave the bad place now. I don't want to play DLC that takes me back to the bad place. I don't want threats of a prequel.

I just want something new to get excited about. To take my mind away from the.....journey...I have been through.

Don't worry, AC3 is coming out all faith in gaming shall be restored....
Or you could play some Deus Ex HR. That'll get you're mind off the "journey."

AC3, Baby! Already played DX:HR. Enjoyd it very much. May be time to fire it up again.....

[MegaSovereign]

Taboo-XX wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eain wrote...

Is there anything more infuriating than a band of storytellers copping out so blatantly as to throw their hands up and go "you know what? **** it, we have no idea, you figure it out."

A couple things...But what you say is definitely in the top 5.

THE TRAFFIC JAM SCENE IN WEEKEND.

****ING A GODARD.

But in all seriousness, this kind of thing happens all the time...

The problem is that they tried to please everybody by making it open-ended. "Craft your own ending!" It ****ing backfired terribly with the original cut because people want a definite conclusion to the story.. The EC is better but it's still pretty ambiguous. For example, we still don't even know what the **** synthesis actually does.

I'm thinking about making a Wall-O-Text thread about this.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:49 .

[devSin]

From the looks of it, it turns us all into leprechauns.

Aye, so you want to steal me pot o' gold?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've got another head canon. Want to know it?

It's just before the Cronos mission. Liara comes up to Shepard's cabin the two of them relax on the bed. Liara looks up at the stars.

Liara: You know Shepard, one ship could really get lost out there, find a world off the grid, settle down.

[I turn off my console.]

Shepard: I think we need a shower. (motions)
Liara: Yes, that sounds nice.
Shepard: (turns on music system loud, then turns on shower, Liara starts to disrobe, Shepard shakes head no) Do you know of any?
Liara: (looks puzzled) What?
Shepard: Worlds off the grid? Kind that would be overlooked even by the reapers.

OUTSTANDING.... YOU NEED TO WRITE THE NEXT BOOK IN THE ME SERIES LMAO....(can you make mine a femshep pleeez...)

Of course a femShep. And this of course this was the song going when the above On The Run scene went through my head. Give it a listen... it gets better.

I'm glad I made someone laugh today.

If I did the story for ME4 it would be more like a private investigator/organized crime story set in the ME universe. None of this serious "save the galaxy" crap. GTA in space with a  more structured story. You could play it from either side. You could get hundreds of hours out of it. This is an area BioWare has yet to go. I just see so much potential in that universe that I hate to see it wasted like they did with those three ****ty endings.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

The Synthesis crowd is headcanoning Shepard surviving? 

You read correctly.

Don't think I just post ****.

Ieldra has plans to do it.

It's just more plausible in Destroy.

I think I started stirring up that. Thank you. But since my posts tend to be a little bit on the sacrastic side :innocent: they tend not to be taken so seriously. After all it was the one that had to do with Keiji's Grey Box becoming sapient. Liara's Gift holding ALL of Shepard's memories and downloading those into a new body since everyone's mind or soul is now software, and software is now sapient.

So now Ieldra is going to run with it and do it more seriously? Cool.

Now let's work on making Control asinine and ridiculous. No one's really pressured BioWare on any definitions on that. Maybe we should. They could put their feet in their mouths on it, too.

We might even get them to see how asinine the entire ending is and get an entirely new one! I know. Dream On.

[ddraigcoch123]

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

"Im Commander Shepard and this is my favorite pile of rubble in London."

that really made me laugh out loud... very very funny

[wantedman dan]

What the quotes in the OP tell me is basically thus:

"We didn't want to totally destroy your experience in the Mass Effect universe, so we gave you a light at the end of the tunnel. It may, or may not, be an oncoming train. The ambiguity--we want your speculations. We need your speculations. IF YOU DO NOT SPECULATE WE WILL DIE. EEEEEAAAAAAAUUGGGHHHHHH ONLY GAVORN LIKE DEFINITIVE ENDING TO 'AAA' TRILOGY."

Okay, maybe it doesn't say the latter sentences. But my point remains.

[MegaSovereign]

wantedman dan wrote...

What the quotes in the OP tell me is basically thus:

"We didn't want to totally destroy your experience in the Mass Effect universe, so we gave you a light at the end of the tunnel. It may, or may not, be an oncoming train. The ambiguity--we want your speculations. We need your speculations. IF YOU DO NOT SPECULATE WE WILL DIE. EEEEEAAAAAAAUUGGGHHHHHH ONLY GAVORN LIKE DEFINITIVE ENDING TO 'AAA' TRILOGY."

Okay, maybe it doesn't say the latter sentences. But my point remains.

They treat us like Vorcha.

"WE NOT FALL FOR GAVORN'S TRICKS"

[TheRevanchist]

If people don’t like something in the game, and they spent their money on it, they deserve to ****, and that’s one of the reasons our forums exist, honestly. I think it’s our responsibility to take it. You probably don’t know this, but I do have a “don’t defend us” rule to the team regarding the forums. If someone doesn’t like something in our games, they are right, always. It is their money, their opinion, and they don’t need or want you to change it. Plus, I do believe the world is 0 for 1 zillion in internet forum opinion change.


Know what that is? thats a quote from Todd Howard in a fan interview after Oblivion came out...I think someone should take notes.