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[Most Definitely Sane]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

As long as Isabela dies, I'll be happy.

Why?

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Wouldn't that be the study of Maric, rather then the worship of Maric? I think the more appropriate term would be... Maricism.

A subset of it is Loghainism.

That may work. And I assume another branch would be Alistairism?
The small minority that bashes Loghain and Loghainaters.

[thats1evildude]

Alistair's fandom trumps that of Loghain, boy-o. The Loghainites are just a bizzare cult.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:36 .

[Most Definitely Sane]

thats1evildude wrote...

Alistair's fandom trumps that of Loghain, boy-o. The Loghainites are just a bizzare cult.

Oh, I know. But I thought that the Alistair fandom of people who bash fans of Loghain was small.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kind of, but if you consider one group actual people and another group not, you can socialize with one and slaughter the other with impunity.

Well, they still kinda consider outsiders people. Just unenlightened people. Bas would probably be better served as meaning "outsider" when referring to people outside the Qun, considering basalit-an means "Outsider worthy of respect".

Inside the Qun when talking about the -bas in Saarebas, then it means "thing".

Just my take on it anyway.

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course, Yang is a single immortal dictator, so it's not perfect, but still... which means, I think, that the main conflict is the Hive vs. the Lord's Believers. Oh dear.

Oh dear is right.

Though I always did enjoy smiting Sister Miriam Godwinson when playing as Colonel Corazon Santiago or Lady Deirdre Skye.

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

Alistair's fandom trumps that of Loghain, boy-o. The Loghainites are just a bizzare cult.

The Loghainites shall triumph! We shall spread the Good Word of Loghain to the four winds!

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

That may work. And I assume another branch would be Alistairism?
The small minority that bashes Loghain and Loghainaters.

Indeed. The Alistairians will rue the day they bashed Loghain! Rue I say!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:30 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, they still kinda consider outsiders people. Just unenlightened people. Bas would probably be better served as meaning "outsider" when referring to people outside the Qun, considering basalit-an means "Outsider worthy of respect".

What, I wonder, would Basvaraad mean, then?

Oh dear is right.

Though I always did enjoy smiting Sister Miriam Godwinson when playing as Colonel Corazon Santiago or Lady Deirdre Skye.

Unfortunately, the closest I can think of to either is... Velanna. Though Merrill may be able to approximate Deirdre...

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

What, I wonder, would Basvaraad mean, then?

"Outsider worthy of following" was what I thought. Or "Outsider who holds back evil", given that Arvaarad was said to mean "one who holds back evil" on the DA wiki.

Which I guess could be said in players' minds to deal with Hawke's fighting against Arvaarad -- whose treatment of the Mage might be seen as evil -- or as just fighting against tyranny in general, or just someone who can handle **** that gets thrown at them, and are good leaders.

I dunno.

Unfortunately, the closest I can think of to either is... Velanna. Though Merrill may be able to approximate Deirdre...

The Dwarves might be closer to Colonel Santiago then Velanna. Or Loghain might be.

Merrill is definitely Lady Deirdre.

[Xilizhra]

Interesting fact: the only two Alpha Centauri leaders known primarily by their first names are spiritual women. I'm not entirely sure if Aki Zeta-5 counts now that she only has one human name...

[DPSSOC]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But why would you want Sten to die instead of anyone else?

For one thing, he's the perfect character to die in a way that creates emotion without actually affecting the plot very much. For another, I honestly don't like him and never have. Tallis is a much better "face" for the qunari; Sten is just kind of evil and robotic.

While I disagree about Sten being evil and robotic and Tallis being a better face, you raise a good point. I actually think that he ought to be involved in the Qunari storyline though, maybe attempting to convince the Qunari not to attack Thedas.

Or at least Fereldan, "Listen these Fereldans, believe me when I say we want no part of that fight.  They will mess us up.  Hell one of them beat our Arishok by himself wearing nothing but a dress and armed with a stick."

[Chipaway111]

DPSSOC wrote...

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But why would you want Sten to die instead of anyone else?

For one thing, he's the perfect character to die in a way that creates emotion without actually affecting the plot very much. For another, I honestly don't like him and never have. Tallis is a much better "face" for the qunari; Sten is just kind of evil and robotic.

While I disagree about Sten being evil and robotic and Tallis being a better face, you raise a good point. I actually think that he ought to be involved in the Qunari storyline though, maybe attempting to convince the Qunari not to attack Thedas.

Or at least Fereldan, "Listen these Fereldans, believe me when I say we want no part of that fight.  They will mess us up.  Hell one of them beat our Arishok by himself wearing nothing but a dress and armed with a stick."

Ok, I laughed shamefully hard at that last part 

[Reznore57]

I think Alistait may be the one to die.
It would solve import issue about the ruler of Ferelden.
If Marric isn't dead , he's still the king and a hero in his country.
He could take the throne from Anora or warden pretty easily.

I kind of hope nobody 's gonna die , I wouldn't mind Marric , because we 've never seen him in any game , and i thought he was dead anyway.

I like Sten too , and wonder what the qunari are doing in Tevinter...I know they're fighting in Seheron ,but maybe the fight have moved inland ...

Those Who Speak seems promising , I'm looking forward to it.

[PizzaThe Hutt]

wait Maric is still alive? When did that happen?! I thought they were mentioning his funeral back in DAO, his body was on the pyre and everything :\\. This is something comic book related, yes?

[LobselVith8]

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

This is something comic book related, yes?

Yeah, it's from the Silent Grove comic by David Gaider, where King Alistair apparently left his kingdom to go on adventures instead of being a ruler, and where he discovers Maric may be alive. Everyone assumes he died at sea.

And you might be thinking about his son, Cailan, since The Warden can give him a proper funeral by pyre in "Return to Ostagar."

[PizzaThe Hutt]

LobselVith8 wrote...

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

This is something comic book related, yes?

Yeah, it's from the Silent Grove comic by David Gaider, where King Alistair apparently left his kingdom to go on adventures instead of being a ruler, and where he discovers Maric may be alive. Everyone assumes he died at sea.

And you might be thinking about his son, Cailan, since The Warden can give him a proper funeral by pyre in "Return to Ostagar."

Well no, they also mentioned that King Maric had a public funeral of sorts five years prior to the start of DAO.  For the pyre part I think I was thinking about Cailan...

[andocrack]

If someone has to die for some villain to get cheap heat (a la Kai Leng), I'll be mad, but not surprised.

[thats1evildude]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Yeah, it's from the Silent Grove comic by David Gaider, where King Alistair apparently left his kingdom to go on adventures instead of being a ruler. 

Like father, like son.

[TEWR]

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

Well no, they also mentioned that King Maric had a public funeral of sorts five years prior to the start of DAO.  For the pyre part I think I was thinking about Cailan...

It was a funeral without a body. Remember, Maric disappeared at sea and Loghain exhausted the treasury to the point of near bankruptcy in an effort to find him. He disappeared five years prior to DAO, but the funeral wasn't held until 9:27 Dragon.

King Maric Theirin, widely regarded as a hero by the Fereldan people for liberating the country from Orlesian rule, disappeared at sea while en route to Wycome in 9:25 Dragon. He was to attend a gathering of the Marcher lords in an attempt to forge a union in the north, and when he failed to appear, the Free Marches fell back into the petty squabbling that they are infamous for.

Teyrn Loghain spent almost two years searching for his lost friend, consuming much of the royal treasury and the majority of the Fereldan navy. The search was futile, and when Loghain claimed that Orlais had purposefully sunk King Maric's vessel in order to prevent Marcher unity, he was called off by his daughter, Queen Anora, and a united Bannorn. It was time to mourn the king, they said, and so, in 9:27, a massive state funeral was held in Denerim's chantry.

To this day, rumors insist that Maric is still alive, perhaps held in an Orlesian prison somewhere. The lasting mystique has increased the value of his personal possessions, leading to the theft of several artifacts from the royal palace. Among these was the helmet said to have been worn by a young Maric at the disastrous Battle of West Hill.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:57 .

[Fallstar]

Maric will be stabbed at some point.

Remember "One, two Maric's run through" ?

Creepy nursery rhymes do not lie.

Modifié par DuskWarden, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[PizzaThe Hutt]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

Well no, they also mentioned that King Maric had a public funeral of sorts five years prior to the start of DAO.  For the pyre part I think I was thinking about Cailan...

It was a funeral without a body. Remember, Maric disappeared at sea and Loghain exhausted the treasury to the point of near bankruptcy in an effort to find him. He disappeared five years prior to DAO, but the funeral wasn't held until 9:27 Dragon.

King Maric Theirin, widely regarded as a hero by the Fereldan people for liberating the country from Orlesian rule, disappeared at sea while en route to Wycome in 9:25 Dragon. He was to attend a gathering of the Marcher lords in an attempt to forge a union in the north, and when he failed to appear, the Free Marches fell back into the petty squabbling that they are infamous for.

Teyrn Loghain spent almost two years searching for his lost friend, consuming much of the royal treasury and the majority of the Fereldan navy. The search was futile, and when Loghain claimed that Orlais had purposefully sunk King Maric's vessel in order to prevent Marcher unity, he was called off by his daughter, Queen Anora, and a united Bannorn. It was time to mourn the king, they said, and so, in 9:27, a massive state funeral was held in Denerim's chantry.

To this day, rumors insist that Maric is still alive, perhaps held in an Orlesian prison somewhere. The lasting mystique has increased the value of his personal possessions, leading to the theft of several artifacts from the royal palace. Among these was the helmet said to have been worn by a young Maric at the disastrous Battle of West Hill.

Oooooh ok, Thanks!

[CuriousArtemis]

Xilizhra wrote...

For one thing, she's the perfect character to die in a way that creates emotion without actually affecting the plot very much. For another, I honestly don't like her and never have. Sten is a much better "face" for the qunari; Tallis is just kind of evil and robotic. 

Fixed that for you 

Seriously, different characters appeal to different people.

Since we all have our favorites, I hope no one has to die  But if so, then let it be a random character we haven't gotten attached to, not one we were companions, friends, or even lovers with.

[Urzon]

I still, personally, want to see Alistair and Maric have a heartfelt tearful reunion...

...only for Maric to soon after sacrifice himself to save Alistair's life. Filled with hate towards the enemies that slayed his father, Alistair turns into Loghain 2.0 and makes them rue the day they even crossed him, his family, and Ferelden!

Modifié par Urzon, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[Dave of Canada]

Maric dies, Alistair goes super saiyan and actually becomes competent.

[Blacklash93]

Maric is probably dead seeing as The Silent Grove's comprehensive cover has a skeleton in fancy armor with a crown who happens to be directly under Alistair, though it was unused in the issues. Who else could it possibly be?

SG - "Sorry, Maric is in another castle."
TWS - "Sorry, Maric is just dead."

Though I'm not going to assume they'll finish milking this out even here. Gaider said it was planned to span multiple series, which could mean this isn't the end.

Maric dies, Alistair goes super saiyan and actually becomes competent.

He was very competent in SG. And dead-serious most of the time. It's odd when you realize he was his old self just a year before this when he met Hawke. I know Maric possibly being alive was probably a bit emotional for him, but it felt kind of overboard.

[TEWR]

Why do I have the feeling Alistair's going to fight some villain that says "Your father is dead. I killed him", the villain ends up running to "Secret Base of Awesome", they meet up again in "Comic Series #3" at possibly said "Secret Base of Awesome" and this will happen:

Villain: Join me Alistair. Together, we can rule the world!

Alistair: I'll never join you! You killed my father!

Villain: No Alistair, I AM your father!"

*reveals villain to be King Maric who has gone full dark side*

[Urzon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Why do I have the feeling Alistair's going to fight some villain that says "Your father is dead. I killed him", the villain ends up running to "Secret Base of Awesome", they meet up again in "Comic Series #3" at possibly said "Secret Base of Awesome" and this will happen:

Villain: Join me Alistair. Together, we can rule the world!

Alistair: I'll never join you! You killed my father!

Villain: No Alistair, I AM your father!"

*reveals villain to be King Maric who has gone full dark side*

Sadly, I can see that possible as well. Either that or, he is under control of some power hungry blood mage or something, but who would be the Emperor in that scenario? Flemeth? Xenon (which would be hilarious)? the Architect? Some other Magister of Old like Cory? the Archon of the Imperium?

If it is the Archon, I might has well /wrist myself now. It would be nice to see more of Tevinter, which we are supposedly in the next series, but the cliche-ness of that would be horrible.