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[wsandista]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What about the people who genuinely like to play as the Human Noble?

This. 

HN was my favorite Origin, not because it was the default or that my first PC in an RPG is almost always a Human Warrior of some kind, but because I liked how it was written and how it managed to provide a good backstory without contradicting my character design(all of the origins did this BTW).

[EpicBoot2daFace]

wsandista wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What about the people who genuinely like to play as the Human Noble?

This. 

HN was my favorite Origin, not because it was the default or that my first PC in an RPG is almost always a Human Warrior of some kind, but because I liked how it was written and how it managed to provide a good backstory without contradicting my character design(all of the origins did this BTW).

Indeed. I felt more connected to the world and politics while playing the as the Human Noble. I mean, it gives you a pretty good reason to go after Arl Howe and Loghain.

[Xilizhra]

Human noble has its pluses, but all of my preferences are with elves, especially elf mage. Though I can stand being human.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Human noble has its pluses, but all of my preferences are with elves, especially elf mage.

Mine as well. I enjoy the narrative as an elven protagonist from the Circle of Ferelden. Seeing how a gesture of generosity can show a young boy that his racist father is wrong about elves, or how Mother Hannah at Redcliffe is surprised that someone of elven blood would help save human lives, gives an interesting perspective to the narrative. Dealing with being a mage, and seeing how that adds another flavor to the storyline as my protagonist deals with a myriad of people who have an assortment of views about magic, draws me more into the tale being told.

[Blacklash93]

The DA team have responded to criticism quite well as time passed, at least in regard to gameplay. We already know the combat for DA3 is getting another overhaul that will be a balance between this and Origins. That and reused environments are kicking the can.

But sometimes a creator won't agree with the fans. Take companion outfits, for example. Many want it like Origins and I'm sure the devs understand why, but they want more distinct appearances for followers themselves more line with DA2. If they feel strongly enough about it they'll do what they want. It's their right and if you don't like it then don't buy. With things like combat they understand and agree with many of the criticisms so we'll get some sort of change more along the lines of what we want.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:03 .

[Quething]

Imrahil_ wrote...

But what I'm saying is that these two points are related.  The default is human so most people play human.  I can't think of an example in WRPG's where the default is not human (in games where you are given a choice, of course).

SWTOR assigns your race randomly from available options when you pick a new class. It's pretty cool.

But yeah that's a bit of an outlier.

[AkiKishi]

Blacklash93 wrote...

The DA team have responded to criticism quite well as time passed, at least in regard to gameplay. We already know the combat for DA3 is getting another overhaul that will be a balance between this and Origins. That and reused environments are kicking the can.

But sometimes a creator won't agree with the fans. Take companion outfits, for example. Many want it like Origins and I'm sure the devs understand why, but they want more distinct appearances for followers themselves more line with DA2. If they feel strongly enough about it they'll do what they want. It's their right and if you don't like it then don't buy. With things like combat they understand and agree with many of the criticisms so we'll get some sort of change more along the lines of what we want.

If we have learned anything from DA2 and ME3 it's that talk is cheap and what is said does not always match the reality of what is delivered.

[Hexoduen]

JasonPogo wrote...

 So when DA2 hit the fans flooded the forums and said the combat was horrible and boring and to easy.  Then Mike Laidlaw said we all just didn't get how great it all was and we should turn up the difficulty.  Then ME3 comes out and the fans come out in force to say how hirrible the ending was.  So Casy Hudson comes out and tells us we just don't get how great it all is but they will provide further explination for those who need it.

Bioware if people are finding what you are doing lacking maybe its not our fault but yours.  Just saying.  And everything we we are hearing about DA3 makes it sound like DA2.5.  You just don't get it...

The difficulty in DA2 was perfect if you cranked it up to Hard or Nightmare, sure it's not a good game compared to DA:O, but why complain over a difficulty that YOU can set for yourself in the options menu?

That being said I agree with you that the ending in ME3 was lacking, I'm glad Bioware decided to give us that DLC.

[Wolf]

JasonPogo wrote...

 So when DA2 hit the fans flooded the forums and said the combat was horrible and boring and to easy.  Then Mike Laidlaw said we all just didn't get how great it all was and we should turn up the difficulty.  Then ME3 comes out and the fans come out in force to say how hirrible the ending was.  So Casy Hudson comes out and tells us we just don't get how great it all is but they will provide further explination for those who need it.

Bioware if people are finding what you are doing lacking maybe its not our fault but yours.  Just saying.  And everything we we are hearing about DA3 makes it sound like DA2.5.  You just don't get it...

We know next to nothing about DA3 except it'll likely take place in a large area (larger than Ferelden), will have a voiced protagonist and Bioware is experimenting with making armor look more destinguished for each follower (as well as giving them armor again) and you already criticize them for it?

As others have said, "a voiced protagonist does not a DA II make".

I share your opinion on the ending of ME3 and that DA II isn't a great game, but wait and see what it's about before you form an opinion. Don't be rash.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 22 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[element eater]

^ maybe not but at this point almost everything they've said about da3 has suggested that it will continue as da2 started and nothing has been said that implies it will resurect any of what origins was besides the best of both worlds garbage that was said some months ago

most likelys it will be a da2.5 with a few token gestures for dao fansor some changes that they can say are because of dao but in reality are just issues that need improving

although op is wrong bioware do get it they just dont care or fail to act on it take your pick

Modifié par element eater, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:37 .

[Wolf]

element eater wrote...

^ maybe not but at this point almost everything they've said about da3 has suggested that it will continue as da2 started and nothing has been said that implies it will resurect any of what origins was besides the best of both worlds garbage that was said some months ago

most likelys it will be a da2.5 with a few token gestures for dao fansor some changes that they can say are because of dao but in reality are just issues that need improving

although op is wrong bioware do get it they just dont care or fail to act on it take your pick

I suppose the possibility of Origins returning, the possibility of multiple playable races, combat actually being about thinking and preparing instead of endless button-mashing, a large world to explore (bigger than DA:O), companions actually having proper armor and choices (old and new) actually having an impact are not good things.

It doesn't really sound like "DA2.5" as you put it. What it eventually turns out to be, however, is an entirely different matter. 

I suggest looking at it with a fresh perspective, without your previous experiences with DA II or ME3 affecting your outlook on the game. It'll be easier to judge it. For me anyway, maybe not for you.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:12 .

[element eater]

 

Gaiden96 wrote...
I suppose the possibility of Origins returning, the possibility of multiple playable races,

yep and if they included these i would  be very happy but unlike the  things i mentioned they are not confirmed and im pretty doubtful they will be included. 

Gaiden96 wrote...
combat actually being about thinking and preparing instead of endless button-mashing, a large world to explore (bigger than DA:O), companions actually having proper armor and choices (old and new) actually having an impact are not good things.

your confusing good things with things from DAO. All of these are doubtless improvements over DA2 but they are not realy returning features from origins.  These improvements would be needed regardless of wether dao existed or not

Gaiden96 wrote...
I suggest looking at it with a fresh perspective, without you previous experiences with DA II or ME3. It'll be easier to judge the game. For me anyway, maybe not for you.
 

well this is good advice, the problem is dao represented alot of the things i enjoy most gaming so alot of the same criteria on how i judge da3 will remain the same

Modifié par element eater, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .

[Wolf]

element eater wrote...

yep and if they included these i would  be very happy but unlike the  things i mentioned they are not confirmed and im pretty doubtful they will be included. 

They have not stated them either as impossible or definitely to be included, but what I'm saying is "don't knock 'till you try it". You didn't really mention anything in particular, however.

element eater wrote... 
your confusing good things with things from DAO. All of these are doubtless improvements over DA2 but they are not realy returning features from origins.  These improvements would be needed regardless of wether dao existed or not

I never said these features had to be exclusively returning ones from DA:O, I simply stated them (if any of them actually end up in the game) as improvements on what Bioware is doing with Dragon Age, be it based on DA II or otherwise.

element eater wrote... 
well this is good advice, the problem is dao represented alot of the things i enjoy most gaming so alot of the same criteria on how i judge da3 will remain the same

I probably said it wrong. I didn't say you should not judge DA III based on what you enjoy in gaming, I said to look at it without taking DA II into account. To judge as its own game.

Basically keep an open mind:lol:

[AkiKishi]

I think the saying goes "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me".

[Wolf]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I think the saying goes "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me".

Precisely.

[element eater]

well tbh i dont doubt da3 will be a better game what i doubt is that it will be anything like the best of both worlds that staff have mentioned before and given what little we have gotten my suspicion seems to be holding true.

i will try to keep an open mind as much as possible but experiance with modern bioware hasn't realy helped in this regard. I can only give so many chances to bioware and DA3 is there last

[Darth Death]

I just had to come to the hard realization that DAO will always be the pinnacle of what the DA series represents. No other DA game will measure up to what DAO had established... Ever.

[wsandista]

DA3 will probably not be the best of both worlds.

DA2 was a re-branding of the DA franchise and is what future DA games will be like. It has already been stated that the voiced PC and DA2 art-style will be featured in DA3, and the gameplay mechanics will most likely be similar to DA3(I read an interview with DG where he said he'd like to keep most of the changes, not sure where it is though, DragonAgeWiki possibly done by KingCousland).

[Darth Death]

wsandista wrote...

DA3 will probably not be the best of both worlds.

True. It very well may cater to anew set of gamers, similar to how DA2 did previously. I sense yet another backlash in the works.   

[Wolf]

element eater wrote...

well tbh i dont doubt da3 will be a better game what i doubt is that it will be anything like the best of both worlds that staff have mentioned before and given what little we have gotten my suspicion seems to be holding true.

i will try to keep an open mind as much as possible but experiance with modern bioware hasn't realy helped in this regard. I can only give so many chances to bioware and DA3 is there last

It's the same with me, honestly. I still don't have enough information myself to judge whether or not I will enjoy it more than I did DA II, but the ideas they have been discussing seem good but until I see what the actual game is like I can't comment.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

wsandista wrote...

DA3 will probably not be the best of both worlds.

DA2 was a re-branding of the DA franchise and is what future DA games will be like. It has already been stated that the voiced PC and DA2 art-style will be featured in DA3, and the gameplay mechanics will most likely be similar to DA3(I read an interview with DG where he said he'd like to keep most of the changes, not sure where it is though, DragonAgeWiki possibly done by KingCousland).

But why did it need to be re-branded? Wasn't DA:O a commercial success for BioWare and EA?

[wsandista]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But why did it need to be re-branded? Wasn't DA:O a commercial success for BioWare and EA?

DAO was an amazing success(2nd best selling BW game, behind ME3, but DAO sales didn't plummet after the first week on the market), but the new direction was already decided on before DAO was released.

I guess they thought that since ME was successful, DA needed to become more like ME. I would be willing to bet that if DA2 had been popular and Hawke was well received, DA would be pretty much a medieval ME, with Hawke in a similar role as Commander Shepard.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

wsandista wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But why did it need to be re-branded? Wasn't DA:O a commercial success for BioWare and EA?

DAO was an amazing success(2nd best selling BW game, behind ME3, but DAO sales didn't plummet after the first week on the market), but the new direction was already decided on before DAO was released.

I guess they thought that since ME was successful, DA needed to become more like ME. I would be willing to bet that if DA2 had been popular and Hawke was well received, DA would be pretty much a medieval ME, with Hawke in a similar role as Commander Shepard.

But after seeing DAO was such a huge success, why follow through with those plans? The sales made it obvious that they were going in the right direction that there was a high demand for that type of game. They change it for DA2, and there is this backlash.

It seems pretty obvious the change in direction was a mistake. It is also makes it obvious where DA3 should go. NOT towards Skyrim. NOT towards Mass Effect again. It should go towards Origins.

“We’re checking [Skyrim] out aggressively. We like it. We’re big admirers of [Bethesda] and the product,” he said. “We think we can do some wonderful things.” --- Dr. Ray Muzyka, BioWare CEO and co-founder.

Being a fan of the Elder Scrolls series is fine, but just because it has swords and dragons (and sold incredibly well ) does not mean you should immediately change direction... again!

Can BioWare not think for themselves anymore? It would be like Bungie saying "we're checking [Fallout 3] out aggressively" just because it has guns in it! Skyrim and Dragon Age are so far apart, they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Totally different games.

I don't remember CD Projekt saying anything like this about Skyrim in regards to The Witcher 2. Maybe it's because they actually know what they want to do with that franchise and actually have some confidence in it.

BioWare is like a great wind. Constantly changing depending on what's popular at the time. But really, they should just take a rest and regroup.

But the big wigs @ BioWare will do ANYTHING for more sales. It really is a match made in heaven with EA. They might as well drop the Bio and just re-brand the company EaWare. It even goes pretty well with the name, look at that. Heh.

"How do we combine the new innovations we brought in Dragon Age II with the experience people were looking for in Dragon Age: Origins?” Muzyka said.

What new innovations?

All the 'new' stuff isn't new when it's taken straight out of one of your existing franchises. Aside from swords and dragons, lack of innovation is about the only thing Skyrim and Dragon Age have in common.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 24 juillet 2012 - 11:22 .

[LobselVith8]

wsandista wrote...

DA3 will probably not be the best of both worlds.

I feel the same way. The developers have said the graphics will likely be the same, we will see the return of the voiced protagonist with paraphrasing and auto-lines, we won't have the same control over the protagonist that we had with The Warden, and the fixed companion armor isn't going away. I don't really see how it's going to be the "best of both worlds" when it seems to basically be more of Dragon Age II.