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There are many factors that make a particular character resonate with a particular type of person. I find it fascinating when a character, especially one that gets so little actual story time in the Mass Effect games like James Vega, inspires such vitriol in an engaged audience. Everywhere his story is discussed, someone posts a nasty comment that they hate him or call him names.

I'm not arguing that the game creators didn't drop the ball on his story. He could have been much more interesting. But the qualities that Vega's fans see in him don't go skin-deep. Even his physical appearance hints at a hidden depth, which almost always affects other areas of life and character development. This is the reason why I started writing the James Vega "origins" story, The One That Got Away, to show how these shallow elements, hinted at in the game and the boring Homeworlds comic, could have been made into a really interesting story and likeable character.

The complaints I usually see have to do with his looks, his humor and the fact that he's boring. So let's examine these closely.


1. Physical Appearance


Some people see muscles and think, "Gee, they must be dumb and full of themselves". Me, I think, "Wow, they are really dedicated. That is seriously hard to do."

Could they be full of themselves? Could they be compensating for their lack of intelligence? Of course. But it's not always the case, and it's wrongon a fundamental level to judge people based on stereotypes. Now, stereotypes exist for a reason, meaning that people like that actually do exist. But when faced with a person who is different than yourself, the best practice is to assume that they are good, decent people and allow yourself to be surprised if they aren't.

I can tell you from personal experience, as a weight lifter myself, that it takes a lot of hard work, determination, dedication, self-awareness and self-control to look like James Vega does. I'm by no means a bodybuilder, I lift for health and as a personal challenge. But that's exactly why it provokes respect for this character in me. It is VERY
challenging to get in shape and even more challenging to stay in shape, especially if you live in ever-changing and uncertain circumstances. This says a lot to me about Vega's character, considering the trauma and the challenges his professional life has provided.

Furthermore, it takes a well-developed community around most people to maintain a lifestyle and life practice. For James, he has almost none. His squad is dead and he has almost no family. He's adrift, orphaned in the galaxy, much like Shepard. This is why, I'm sure, Anderson chose him to be her/his guard on Earth. They actually have quite a bit in common personally and professionally.

But I digress. The point is, he manages all that on his own. That takes inner strength. I respect that.


2. Cracking jokes all the time (I'm including the nicknames in this bit. )



At some point in our young lives, we experience intense tension, to the point where it becomes almost unbearable. The source of the tension can be almost anything: sick parents, divorce, death in the family, the loss
of a friendship, or even just a topic of conversation (like sex) that is so completely avoided that it's like a presence of its own. Take your pick or fill in the blank. It has happened to literally everyone on Earth.

Our reaction to this phenomenon can set a precedent that defines the way we interact with people for the rest of our lives. Some children retreat and become introverts. Some get angry. Some turn to creative pursuits to express their feelings about it. And some, like James Vega (and my husband), deflect with humor. Children already feel
powerless, so finding a way to affect the situation and make it tolerable is the first order of business.

We know that he didn't have an easy childhood. Very little family, a mother who died young, and an uncle and father who totally disagree about everything regarding James. These are basically his only role models and they are constantly at a battle of wills. I know that I would have dealt fairly poorly with this at a young age. I retreated into books and delved into the creative process of writing after my parents split up. James put his energy into something that he COULD control - his body - and when the tension got too overpowering, he cracked jokes.

Because of his underdeveloped social skills (at the age when this habit developed) and the positive response that most people have to humor, when well-applied, my guess is that he began "setting the stage" for humor in his relationships by giving everyone a nickname that hints at their endearing qualities. In most cases, the recipient appreciates both the humor and the personal touch. "He always calls me that," said half-jokingly, makes a positive impression on the recipient, provokes an inclusive feeling, as the one that "laughed with" and not "gets laughed at". It's difficult to ever get back on the good side of someone who doesn't appreciate it, though. They might feel that the nickname or the joke was unfairly applied and are actually offended.

But the people who do like it, love it. So that's likely part of why we see such a huge divide between Vega lovers and Vega haters. I could say more on this, but not without breaking out my psychology textbooks. I'll spare you.


3. He's Boring


This is an opinion and not a character trait, so it doesn't really merit examination. The story could have been better developed, but then, that's true of most characters. Something more can always be done, only resources or awareness prevent it from happening.

In conclusion, all I can say is that taking this particular character (or any character,or person in real life) at surface value is a mistake. Don't like a straight combat squadmate? Your preference, no problem. I get it. But there are some interesting psychological quirks behind a character with Vega's personality and I found them sufficiently fascinating enough to write two romances and one serious drama about him. And I am not a fangirl, never have been.

Was all of this intentional on the part of the writers? I can't say. The lack of in-game development would indicate not, but perhaps they just didn't get the opportunity to present their case well to the creative team. Or another reason. Or he could have been based on a real person, so they knew these qualities were possible without getting into character development. I hope not, because that's kind of lame, but it's a possibility.

You don't have to agree with me, but I hope that at least I will have provoked enough thought with this journal entry to make the naysayers see a little bit more in him, or at the very least, give some other characters a chance that you might not have before. They might just surprise you.

So what does James Vega hatin' say about you? Only you can know for sure. I'm not the type of person who slams someone, especially when I don't really understand them, so it's not my place to say.

Flamers, flame on! I loves ya anyway.
Originally posted on my
deviantArt profile.

Modifié par ebreder, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .


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The problem with Vega is that he is completely unnecessary, just like Traynor and Allers.And he is so very much a Gears of War ripoff that if both GoW and Mass Effect were electronic gizmos, Bioware would get the crap sued out of it.
Oh, and about Vegas personality... Just doesn't work as a marine officer.Not even an NCO.Grunt maybe, but not in command of anything. It takes a special kind of person to command a fighting unit and Vega clearly is not one of them.

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I totally agree with you.

I find most of the hate about Vega stemming from his looks. "He looks like a jarhead" is often spoken about him. That usually automatically translates to= he is boring. If it's not that, it's because he's human, which equals boring to some people.

Vega is very dedicated and driven. I love that about him. He's very much an Alliance guy and is committed to being the best that he can be. I think that's extremely commendable.

I find his sense of humor hilarious, and I usually take him everywhere I go. He's got some good insight, and I love his banter with Cortez. He's a great character, and I pity the people who hate him for surface reasons alone because they miss out on a great companion.

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Damn, I was actually hoping to find out what it said about me.

I believe many people dislike Vega because they correctly perceive him as a character shoehorned into Mass Effect because the producers were trying to transform what started as an RPG into more of a generic Space Marine shooter, not because of his particular personality. So there's that, and then the fact that Mr. Fredward Prinze II stole Buffy from me... er... us, the fans!

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This is probably some of the worst generalisation I've ever seen.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

This is probably some of the worst generalisation I've ever seen.

To not elaborate, whilst I understand what you're saying, I think your categories are to broad.

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He is the representation of BioWare making ME3 accessible to newcomers and thereby dumbs down the game.

I, personally, didn't have a problem with him, but with what he represents.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:24 .


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awesome read! I like all the squadmates as they each have something meaningful under their tough exteriors that i always find with my paragon shep, don't see the reason for his hate, just because he joined the party late doesn't mean we shouldn't like him.

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Somebody list all the nicknames vega gave out

Shepard=Loco
I think Tali was twirks?

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Dendio1 wrote...

Somebody list all the nicknames vega gave out

Shepard=Loco
I think Tali was twirks?


Tali was Sparks.

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Roamingmachine wrote...
Oh, and about Vegas personality... Just doesn't work as a marine officer.Not even an NCO.Grunt maybe, but not in command of anything. It takes a special kind of person to command a fighting unit and Vega clearly is not one of them.

This. So much. I don't mind his personality (too much) ... but officer and N7 candidate? What? Why?

Edit: Btw. I don't mind boring humans. I have a soft spot for them.

Modifié par klarabella, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .


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klarabella wrote...

Roamingmachine wrote...
Oh, and about Vegas personality... Just doesn't work as a marine officer.Not even an NCO.Grunt maybe, but not in command of anything. It takes a special kind of person to command a fighting unit and Vega clearly is not one of them.

This. So much. I don't mind his personality (too much) ... but officer and N7 candidate? What? Why?


I would've loved to have Grunt instead of James. omg....x]

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I thought he was alright. Plus I was mirin his back development, takes some hard work to get a back like that, even with future gene therapy.

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So what if you hate him because he's fridget? I mean he flirts with you all the time, but when you flirt back he goes all tight-lipped.

I'm joking of course.

I didn't mind Vega, Paragon-Lost still looks incredibly dumb though.

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All it shows is the fanbase will hate on any human character in the series but aliens get a free pass.

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I think the main thing people have against Vega is that he's an unnecessary new character when there's a whole bunch of other guys reduced to cameos.

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Good stories need characters like little Jimmy Vega to keep them grounded. Sure, he's a normal dude, but we need a normal person's perspective in a story like this to remind us just how insane some of the stuff we're doing in the game really is.

He functions similarly to Jacob Taylor. Taylor dares to be a (somewhat) normal guy in a crew of sociopaths/outcasts/oddities. His most complex issues stem from his father, which, when compared to Jack or Miranda or Garrus, look pretty mundane. But it got to the point with the other characters where I was like, "Alright, so what's YOUR stupid issue now? What horrifying experiments/betrayals/torments/mental anguish/existential crises/life threatening diseases do I gotta fix for you now?"

In contrast to that, Jacob's simpler story was something I could understand a little more and even sympathize with. I can't relate to losing my whole squad in a grievous betrayal or being subjected to terrifying experiments or struggling with the concept of new found life outside of a tank, but Daddy issues? Bring it-- I can understand that, I can fix that.

It was the same with Vega-- Bioware kept saying that he was there as the perspective for the "new player," but I think he also serves to give that perspective to the old player as well-- a character to see the world of ME through new eyes with. Vega is a regular dude with regular issues just trying to absorb all kinds of new mind-crushing horror. He gives us a chance to step back and go "Oh wow, I guess that IS kind of nuts. Huh." That sort of breather is necessary in order to break up the monotony of exceptionalism demonstrated by everyone else in Shepard's crew on a regular basis.

In brief: James Vega offers variety.  To hate on him is to be closed-minded to anything new or different, which is a shame, because he's a chillbro forever who doesn't afraid of anything.

Modifié par RobotWalk, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .


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He's the most enjoyable human squadmate in my opinion, I don't know why everyone hates him.

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His introduction is my biggest peeve. I have no idea who he is and why he follows me around like a lost puppy.

Bioware fails again. First scene of the game too.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

All it shows is the fanbase will hate on any human character in the series but aliens get a free pass.

Not true; nobody hates Kasumi.

Oh, and Vega's all right in my book.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

All it shows is the fanbase will hate on any human character in the series but aliens get a free pass.

Not true; nobody hates Kasumi.

Oh, and Vega's all right in my book.


Well any human squad that you are forced to recruit anyway.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

All it shows is the fanbase will hate on any human character in the series but aliens get a free pass.

i would personally enjoyed having one of wolverine's love children- i mean a vorcha as a squad mate.

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Physical Appearance means nothing. He's in the military, if he's muscular it makes sense.
And I have Garrus to crack jokes because he's extremely likeable and tells good ones. Vega's are just plain dumb.
Ex: When Vega and Garrus are telling stories and trying to outdo one another, Vega goes to the point of saying he found several eggs and one of them hatched. He then explains how it was a Harvester egg and how he proceeded to train it and he flew it into battle. Garrus then makes fun of him for coming up with something so bad.
I don't really think he's boring. I don't like him much, but I also don't dislike him, he's just there, and I'll occasionally talk to him on the normandy, but he doesn't need to be there.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

All it shows is the fanbase will hate on any human character in the series but aliens get a free pass.

Hey, I like Kaiden. He's actually developed pretty well imo. And Vorchas are not allowed on my ship, or those damned Batarians. I'll never let them on after meeting Balak.

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Baa Baa wrote...

And Vorchas are not allowed on my ship, or those damned Batarians. I'll never let them on after meeting Balak.

Racist.