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[Forbry]

He' has become my favorite character right now, so absolutely no hating here

[bobwill]

I didn't hate him; but, Mass Effect Homeworlds issue 1 was a complete waste.

[ArchdemonReaper]

I liked James from the beginning. Don't know why so many people hated him. He was pretty fun and cool
(especially when he came up with the nicknames, that was so hilarious, because I also do the same:lol:).

Besides, I don't know if you had the same feeling about James but, He was a lot like Isabela from Dragon Age 2. imo
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[SerenityRebirth]

To me, it seems like characters like James aren't liked as much as the others because there isn't a sad, tragic, or life changing alteration that we see in the game. In most cases, Tali, Garrus, Ashley, Cortez, Samara, Thane, Liara, Mirana, even Javik, had either a form of tragedy they had to overcome or had noticeable character changes through dramatic events. Characters like (I hate to add him but some people do) Kaidan, James, Jacob, all tend to have passed their more dramatic experiences in previous events. We don't see their character change.

I won't get into it, but I think an argument could be made otherwise, especially for Kaidan. But this is why I think they're not all likable or favorable as other characters.

[PoisonMushroom]

SerenityRebirth wrote...

To me, it seems like characters like James aren't liked as much as the others because there isn't a sad, tragic, or life changing alteration that we see in the game. In most cases, Tali, Garrus, Ashley, Cortez, Samara, Thane, Liara, Mirana, even Javik, had either a form of tragedy they had to overcome or had noticeable character changes through dramatic events. Characters like (I hate to add him but some people do) Kaidan, James, Jacob, all tend to have passed their more dramatic experiences in previous events. We don't see their character change.

I won't get into it, but I think an argument could be made otherwise, especially for Kaidan. But this is why I think they're not all likable or favorable as other characters.

Interesting thought. I honestly liked every character except for James. I think he did have a little bit of potential, but it just wasn't really right setting for him to shine. 

Characters introduced in ME2 were fine, since the game was heavily character driven and you got an entire loyalty mission dedicated to finding out more about them. 

ME3 was a bit different since it was so focused on events, and finishing off all the storylines that it was hard to for us to really learn about him in the same way. Although Javik was a late entry, he was always going to be interesting because he could give a first hand account of a race we only knew about through codex entries and such. James needed a slower development because he didn't have that same initial intruige about him.

[babymoon]

I love James and I enjoyed seeing his interactions with Femshep (still haven't played as Mshep).

It seems like most people tend to write off all the human characters in ME as boring. I guess I can see why - aliens are foreign and therefore more "interesting". I still think most of the human squad mates were intriguing though, sans Ashley.

[Chewin]

Archontor wrote...
No one else seems to ever kill a reaper without suffering massive casualties. In contrast Shep is barely so much as scratched. I can see that impressing people. Also they survive being killed and then goes to kill a mysterious race at the centre of the galaxy, kill the world's best information broker, singlehandedly infiltrate a batarian prison and then fight their way out and blow up a ****ing solar system. And that's just the stuff off the top of my head to list the total possible achievements of Shep would take quite some time. No one act could really engender that much respect but together it's quite amazing.

Archontor, you are talking in circles, forcing me to repeat myself over and over again.

Yes, Shepard can pull of some amazing stunts. But everything he does involves himself using his guns, not his head. Everything you listed above involved Shepard destroying or killing something to achieve it. That doesn't make him intelligent in anyway, just a good killer.

Yes, that may amaze people, but not in a way that people would consider him a great leader or commander, when he resolves basically everything by shooting stuff. He is not a great strategist, tactician, leader, just a good killer. And yet everyone on Normandy seems to think Shepard is some sort of a God.

Shepard does demonstarte a knowledge of, of all things poetry when he points out the captain dies in Ashley's little poem. Vega on the other hand kicks a console despite the fact that computers will have existed for around two hundred years at that point and rams a shuttle. Whilst in an armed shuttle. One that they need to escape the reaper invasion. One that could have blown apart the entire area if it's eezo core breached. Vega is definitely a lot dumber than Shep or indeed an average person.

So? I can name a handful of poets and their works, which is something I consider general knowledge. Shepard never shows having deep insight in poetry, and even if he did, it wouldn't make him intellectual.

Vega and Shepard are both moronic brutes who can kill stuff, having no other remarkable talents than that.

I recognise that the persuasion mechanic is...odd. However if every attempt went like this conversation there would be either a lot less of them, a lot less gameplay, and a lot more discs. However the case remains that from a canonical sense Shepard convinced Ereba to marry Charr and pep talked a scout despite the fact that he's just some guy who mosied on in. 

So the reason to why Shepard acts as an idiot is b/c of it takes to much space, and doesn' add gameplay? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. If I misunderstood your statement, feel free to elaborate.

And I don't see why it matters if Shepard convinced Ereba and the scout. He persuaded two simple minded people with no effort, there's nothing more to it than that.

[eye basher]

I like Vega for what he is plain ans simple a marine loud,mean and green.

[MurderHouse]

Nothing against the character. Any LT or soldier that comes at his or her Commander with nicknames and that attitude is going to get put down hard usually. The way they designed that interaction between Shep and Vega was awesome with the boxing match. Should of had a more hardcore beat down. It would of been awesome to see Shepard beat the living **** out of him and give him a nickname like Private Vega for that.


I got this one!

[Nikkonito]

I don't hate Vega, but in my Vanguard playthrough he had two strikes against him. I liked Ash better, and I already had a shotgun.

[ebreder]

If anyone here is on deviantArt, I started a contest since I originally wrote this OP. For the moment it's only for dA users.

Challenge to James Vega Haters (on my profile)

Here is it in the #BiowareFanClub journal

The ChallengeNow that I have a better idea about where people stand on this oddly controversial character, I'd like to extend a challenge to all Vega Haters. I challenge you to read "The One That Got Away" and still hate him as much as ever, still think he's a dimensionless meathead, still think that he's just as much a waste of gameplay resources. I'm willing to go so far as to say that if you describe in erudite, lucid terms why this character continues to deserve such hatred despite the character development in each chapter, documenting your opinion every step of the way, I will buy you a one year membership to deviantArt when the story is finished.

Let me be clear:
I'm talking about those who hate Vega as a character, not those who are just so into another character that they didn't see enough of in ME3 that they latched onto him and are using him as the Official Bioware Whipping Boy.

And for the record, I totally agree that you shouldn't be forced to flirt with him or be friends with him in the game. They don't give you any options to make the conversation go another way, and they should. But as I said in an OP response, lack of dialogue options is a gameplay issue and not a characterization issue.

Do I have ulterior motives?  I wrote this, and every other ME story I've written, for two reasons: to fill in the back story of this underdeveloped character and to gain feedback so that I become a better writer. I'm not here for fame. I'm here for the improvement of my Craft, as proven by my repeated requests for harder crit. This is why the contest focus is on critiques in the Official Rules. But I'm also interested in seeing if there are any Vega Haters with the balls to take me up on the challenge.

Modifié par ebreder, 31 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[Sil]

I didn't like that they added him in place of someone more important from Mass Effect 2, but he wasn't exactly a bad character, just one I could have done without as a companion, perhaps he would have been better as an NPC on a mission instead. But, I would have gladly had Bioware sacrifice all of his inclusion, if it meant the money spent on him would have gone to spending it on giving the ME2 characters just a wee bit more dialogue.

[sc_ajk29]

Sil wrote...

I didn't like that they added him in place of someone more important from Mass Effect 2, but he wasn't exactly a bad character, just one I could have done without as a companion, perhaps he would have been better as an NPC on a mission instead. But, I would have gladly had Bioware sacrifice all of his inclusion, if it meant the money spent on him would have gone to spending it on giving the ME2 characters just a wee bit more dialogue.

How is that James's fault? If BW wanted to add more ME2 characters/give them more face time, they were perfectly at liberty to do so. JV had nothing to do with it. ME2 had what, like 10+ squad members?

[Omega Torsk]

Xellith wrote...

His introduction is my biggest peeve. I have no idea who he is and why he follows me around like a lost puppy.

Bioware fails again. First scene of the game too.

Yes, he was a waste. There was all this hype and buildup that he was going to be some awesome new character and he just kind of faded into the background after Menae (unless you use him, which I normally don't).

The guy wasn't even an LI...

[ioannisdenton]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

He's the most enjoyable human squadmate in my opinion, I don't know why everyone hates him.

this.

[Soundwave04]

I don't see what's wrong with James, I quite liked him!

[Mello]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

He's the most enjoyable human squadmate in my opinion, I don't know why everyone hates him.

People think that James is taking space up for a Krogan which is stupid if Bioware wanted to put a Krogan in the game a Krogan would be in the game today. <_<

[OMGsideboob]

Nothing wrong with Vega in my opinion. He's very useful if you have a non-Soldier class Shepard...

[DWH1982]

I've never minded Vega that much, although one legitimate complaint with the way he was handled is that the game starts with Shepard knowing who he is. For people who didn't read the comic that explains how they met, that can be a little confusing.

One thing about Vega: Some people seem to think he's dumb, but I think he's a case of obfuscating stupidity. People who are dumb as bricks simply do not qualify for the N7 program, or at least they shouldn't.

Modifié par DWH1982, 11 novembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Nummer1Jude]

I don't really get why people hate him. For me, he was more likable than Miranda or Jacob.

[Raizo]

I'll have you know that I like Vega, granted I'm slightly pissed that he takes up a spot on the roster that could have gone to one of my many favourite ME2 squad mates but I have nothing personal against the guy, heck I like him and use him fairly often.

I will however admit to not being thrilled with the nick names. The first few times he called my Shepard Loco O didn't mind but after a while it began to ****** me off, I seriously thought about a reloading an earlier save and telling him no more nick names. So what does my dislike of Vega's nick names say about me.

[ChuckTesla]

I wouldn't like him as much if it weren't for Cortez.

[Made Nightwing]

Roamingmachine wrote...

The problem with Vega is that he is completely unnecessary, just like Traynor and Allers.And he is so very much a Gears of War ripoff that if both GoW and Mass Effect were electronic gizmos, Bioware would get the crap sued out of it.
Oh, and about Vegas personality... Just doesn't work as a marine officer.Not even an NCO.Grunt maybe, but not in command of anything. It takes a special kind of person to command a fighting unit and Vega clearly is not one of them.

Speaking as a military man myself, you couldn't be more wrong. In my company (which is a combat infantry unit), I'd say about three of the Senior NCOs and about eight of the Junior NCOs along with one of the 1st Lieutenants have Vega's type of personality. They crack a lot of jokes, press a lot of weights, talk a lot of **** and drink like thirsty horses, but I would never question their competency, their leadership or their skills, and would gladly follow each of them into battle.

[fchopin]

I like Vega and have no idea where you get all the hate from.

[Tank207]

I actually like James, but he's wasted as a character since his story-line really doesn't go anywhere. I would have liked to hear more about his past, his uncle, mother and even father. There was potential for him to be a "buddy" character like Garrus, but just never really gets much characterization.

His character development is basically just "I'm willing to throw my life away at the drop of a hat" to "Hey I'm N7 now!" with nothing in between. With his story about his run-in with the Collectors, I was expecting him to be more of a tragic figure than how he turned out.

The only thing about him I really dislike is the fact that FemShep is pretty much forced to be all flirty with him. Although I have to admit the payoff of that was kind of funny and it shows that despite the way he presents himself, he can still be pretty shy and awkward.

Modifié par Tank207, 11 novembre 2012 - 08:05 .