I was also quite pleasantly surprised by Vega. I fully expected him to be a very generic grunt-type, but as I got to know more about him I ended up liking him. I liked his odd sense off humour (his banter with Cortez still cracks me up) and it gave a bit of insight into how he copes with stressful situations. I also liked how he's initially a bit unsure of himself, preferring to keep things simple so that he doesn't risk making mistakes that can get others killed.
I think the only negative I can count against him is that his introduction's too abrupt. Even if you've read the comics you have to largely headcanon what happened while he was essentially acting as Shepard's "prison guard". I understand that they probably didn't go into too much detail with it in the comic in order to take player choice into account, but it still feels too abrupt an introduction, though that can hardly be blamed on Vega himself.
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Posté 18 juillet 2012 - 05:07
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My favorite character is Thane from ME2 but on ME3 pretty much one of the only things I liked (besides Eve) was James Vega. I do lament his dialog was so poorly written that he comes across as shallow. As the OP noted, the character itself has hidden depths to it.
Some people would say Thane and Vega couldn't be more different but I disagree. First, they both got horribly written dialog on ME3!
Second, they are both very disciplined and perfectionist about their body. Thane's is a killing machine, fast, light and lethal. Vega is.. lethal and precise. A tank!!
Third, they both are very shy. Vega uses humor and playing dumb to keep his private thoughts private, and deflect any attempts ate getting close to him, Thane uses hos broody quiet mystique to do the same. Both hate the spotlight and are deeply private people.
I also like the way they both see FemShep as a person. not an all might "Captain" to grovel to.
Some people would say Thane and Vega couldn't be more different but I disagree. First, they both got horribly written dialog on ME3!
Second, they are both very disciplined and perfectionist about their body. Thane's is a killing machine, fast, light and lethal. Vega is.. lethal and precise. A tank!!
Third, they both are very shy. Vega uses humor and playing dumb to keep his private thoughts private, and deflect any attempts ate getting close to him, Thane uses hos broody quiet mystique to do the same. Both hate the spotlight and are deeply private people.
I also like the way they both see FemShep as a person. not an all might "Captain" to grovel to.
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Posté 18 juillet 2012 - 05:11
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Just came here to say, I agree with Chewin3.
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Posté 18 juillet 2012 - 08:52
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Wow, such varied responses to my OP. I’m impressed.
I’ve debated how to respond, or whether to respond, because watching this thread has been extremely entertaining without my input. In the end I decided it would be suitable, considering the original nature of the OP, to group, categorize and address the types of responses. As always, I welcome contructive feeback.
I think it was lost on many people that the original post was an examination of the motivations of the character, James Vega. I never addressed the issues with gameplay, because that isn’t a character trait. For those of you who hated him because you weren’t given a choice about punching him in his teeth when he flirted with you, well, I can understand that. But it’s a gameplay issue. With every other character you have the option of not being friends, and with this one it was forced on us.
For the record, I’m one of those players who initially rolled my eyes at him during the demo, assuming that he’d be a one-dimensional character. Over time, however, I grew to like him, mostly because of how similar he is in personality to my husband of almost twelve years. I enjoyed the banter and I like flirty men who are easy on the eyes. I also loved FPJ’s voice acting job. Sue me.
In any case, here are the responses to date (some are combined because they repeat).
1. His personality is not suitable to a Marine. He’s not a leader. I don’t understand why he was an N7 candidate. Straight combat should not qualify for N7. He’s unqualified to serve on the Normandy (or in the Alliance at all). He’s unqualified because of what happened to his squad on Fehl. N7 requires more than simple combat competence. OR His service history more than qualifies him.
Not everyone has to be a leader, and in fact, in the military it’s not a good idea to have no one to follow. Shepard’s the Commander and Vega looks up to her/him.. Considering his situation, getting the best N7 candidate ever, the first human Spectre, to mentor you seems pretty smart.
As for his personality not being suitable to being a Marine, I highly recommend you read “Jarhead” by Anthony Swofford. There are literally tens of thousands of soldiers who would find him instantly relatable.
It's impossible to learn ANYTHING without failure. Mistakes are opportunities to learn, and the best soldiers - and people in general - are the ones who keep going after learning from them.
2. He has a great sense of humor OR I don’t like his sense of humor.
Opinions. Duke it out.
3. He’s the start of an attempt by the game makers to turn a great RPG into a shooter.
Technically, that started in ME2 when they originally changed the combat interface.
4. “This is some of the worst generalization I’ve ever seen” further clarified as: my categories are too broad. AND The OP is an over-analysis of a simple/underdeveloped character.
The OP is an examination on the potential of an underdeveloped character. The categories had to be broad to encompass the simplicity of the character in-game, but the examination was quite detailed. And I am absolutely positive that somewhere, at some time in your life, you have seen/heard something FAR more general than this very specific breakdown of Vega’s potential character. [shrugs]
5. A developer confirmed he was created to make the game accessible to new players. Some think this dumbed down the game.
It’s understandable from a human point of view to resent newcomers to a story you have spent many, many hours playing, but that doesn’t make it right to dis-include them on sheer principle. As soon as game developers can create their work and not have to worry about making a business case to investors, or eating when it comes down to it, this will be relevant. Each iteration of any product, whether a game, book or car, is an attempt to get more buyers. Or players, in this case. It’s a business, no matter how “artistic” they claim to be.
6. He was an obvious replacement for a krogan squadmate or another earlier character I would have preferred. General resentment that he’s the new guy when the established characters are still around, reduced to cameos.
There is no indication that Vega is a replacement for any character. It seems to have been the intention to introduce new squadmates in every game. Please provide proof.
7. He proves that the fanbase prefers aliens.
Possibly, but proof would help your case. Personally, I doubt it. It seems to be more about people wanting more story from established characters. Which I also wanted.
8. He’s a normal guy who grounds the story, a soldier caught up in something big. He’s more relatable than other characters because he’s not made out to be a super-badass. He’s committed. I like his no-frills attitude for dealing with the extreme situation they’re in. I was surprised by him and loved what a “tank” he was.
Agreed. I know others won’t, but I respect that.
9. I don’t understand him or why he was included in the game. I don’t like being forced to recruit someone. I don’t like the forced familiarity between him and Shepard. He’s insubordinate and a sexual harasser, and my OP somehow is calling those who don’t like him a “femi****”.
Understanding was the point of the OP, and I did my best. I completely understand not wanting to be forced to recruit someone, but I wonder how ME1 would have been if you didn’t have to recruit anyone. It might have even made the game even more interesting and challenging. Or not.
As for his flirtatious manner, Shepard and many other members of the crew were also flirtatious. But that’s pretty common in the military, regardless of regs, because sexual release is a primary mode of stress relief for human beings, and these people are in a very stressful situation. I grew up military and married military so I can tell you first hand that this is true.
And I hate to break it to you, Quething, but the OP wasn’t about anyone but Vega, and certainly not you. It was not meant to be a reflection on anyone, but to pose a question that readers can ask themselves, which my summary statement more than clarified. The point of the OP was understanding and being open to something different, and was not meant as an insult to anyone at all, anywhere, in any circumstances. Especially not you.
And I hate that word.
10. He’s a waste of resources on the part of the game makers.
Opinion.
11. He was only created as spin-off material.
Not necessarily a good or bad thing. Again, opinion.
12. I don’t care about him one way or another.
Totally legit. I get it, and respect it.
13. In relation to the established characters, he’s boring. He was underdeveloped in the game. He started out as interesting, but loses something once the other characters come along.
He does fade back into a more supporting role, true. He’s straight infantry, an Arms Master. But when it comes right down to it, so was Zaeed, in a combat sense.
14. He’s great when interacting with other characters, adding depth to the game.
I loved the banter myself, especially with Cortez. Not for everyone, but I agree.
15. He’s gay/not gay.
I really don’t see what this has to do with anything. It’s also not a character trait, whether he is or he isn’t.
16. He doesn’t conform to the appearance of the other humans in the game. I don’t like his appearance. He’s ridiculous, a rip-off from another game.
Genetic variety is necessary in a survivalist sense. And besides, if soldiers aren’t supposed to look like that then we’ve been getting it wrong since… oh, I don’t know, the beginning of time.
Warriors throughout time, in the Marines, the Army and other forces, have to work in extreme conditions, so they work out with whatever they have on hand. It’s easier to do this work when you are in prime physical condition. Which, evidently, is to have well-developed muscles and low body fat. It ain’t a crime, and it sure is nice to look at.
17. You can’t compare the ME3 squad with ME2 because the ME2 squad was illegally recruited and cherry-picked in a way the Alliance never could.
Agreed.
18. He does what he has to do to the best of his abilities.
I love that scene. He doesn’t say “No, Commander, I can’t do that.” He was given an order and he did his best to follow it. I just love a driven man.
19. I prefer abilities to combat on my team.
Opinion. And understandable, based on preferred playing style.
20. His lines are laughable, and not in a good way.
ME1 was a gold mine for stupid dialogue. It’s pretty extraordinary that any one character should stand out in any way for that, aside from actually being able to laugh at himself.
21. He would have been better as DLC. His character is underdeveloped.
I agree he would have been better as DLC, and would have had the added benefit of giving the game developers a real statistic as to how much interest there would be in spin-off material with him. And yes, without a doubt, his character was underdeveloped.
22. I hate his Spanglish.
Not liking someone because they unapologetically own their mixed ethnicity is pretty messed up. Your invitation to the Mexican-American Pride Ball has been withdrawn.
23. I’d like to know the actual sentiment for players about Vega.
Me too. Here’s a poll: http://social.biowar...80/polls/37062/
Get your flamethrowers ready! You guys have been a blast so far.
I’ve debated how to respond, or whether to respond, because watching this thread has been extremely entertaining without my input. In the end I decided it would be suitable, considering the original nature of the OP, to group, categorize and address the types of responses. As always, I welcome contructive feeback.
I think it was lost on many people that the original post was an examination of the motivations of the character, James Vega. I never addressed the issues with gameplay, because that isn’t a character trait. For those of you who hated him because you weren’t given a choice about punching him in his teeth when he flirted with you, well, I can understand that. But it’s a gameplay issue. With every other character you have the option of not being friends, and with this one it was forced on us.
For the record, I’m one of those players who initially rolled my eyes at him during the demo, assuming that he’d be a one-dimensional character. Over time, however, I grew to like him, mostly because of how similar he is in personality to my husband of almost twelve years. I enjoyed the banter and I like flirty men who are easy on the eyes. I also loved FPJ’s voice acting job. Sue me.
In any case, here are the responses to date (some are combined because they repeat).
1. His personality is not suitable to a Marine. He’s not a leader. I don’t understand why he was an N7 candidate. Straight combat should not qualify for N7. He’s unqualified to serve on the Normandy (or in the Alliance at all). He’s unqualified because of what happened to his squad on Fehl. N7 requires more than simple combat competence. OR His service history more than qualifies him.
Not everyone has to be a leader, and in fact, in the military it’s not a good idea to have no one to follow. Shepard’s the Commander and Vega looks up to her/him.. Considering his situation, getting the best N7 candidate ever, the first human Spectre, to mentor you seems pretty smart.
As for his personality not being suitable to being a Marine, I highly recommend you read “Jarhead” by Anthony Swofford. There are literally tens of thousands of soldiers who would find him instantly relatable.
It's impossible to learn ANYTHING without failure. Mistakes are opportunities to learn, and the best soldiers - and people in general - are the ones who keep going after learning from them.
2. He has a great sense of humor OR I don’t like his sense of humor.
Opinions. Duke it out.
3. He’s the start of an attempt by the game makers to turn a great RPG into a shooter.
Technically, that started in ME2 when they originally changed the combat interface.
4. “This is some of the worst generalization I’ve ever seen” further clarified as: my categories are too broad. AND The OP is an over-analysis of a simple/underdeveloped character.
The OP is an examination on the potential of an underdeveloped character. The categories had to be broad to encompass the simplicity of the character in-game, but the examination was quite detailed. And I am absolutely positive that somewhere, at some time in your life, you have seen/heard something FAR more general than this very specific breakdown of Vega’s potential character. [shrugs]
5. A developer confirmed he was created to make the game accessible to new players. Some think this dumbed down the game.
It’s understandable from a human point of view to resent newcomers to a story you have spent many, many hours playing, but that doesn’t make it right to dis-include them on sheer principle. As soon as game developers can create their work and not have to worry about making a business case to investors, or eating when it comes down to it, this will be relevant. Each iteration of any product, whether a game, book or car, is an attempt to get more buyers. Or players, in this case. It’s a business, no matter how “artistic” they claim to be.
6. He was an obvious replacement for a krogan squadmate or another earlier character I would have preferred. General resentment that he’s the new guy when the established characters are still around, reduced to cameos.
There is no indication that Vega is a replacement for any character. It seems to have been the intention to introduce new squadmates in every game. Please provide proof.
7. He proves that the fanbase prefers aliens.
Possibly, but proof would help your case. Personally, I doubt it. It seems to be more about people wanting more story from established characters. Which I also wanted.
8. He’s a normal guy who grounds the story, a soldier caught up in something big. He’s more relatable than other characters because he’s not made out to be a super-badass. He’s committed. I like his no-frills attitude for dealing with the extreme situation they’re in. I was surprised by him and loved what a “tank” he was.
Agreed. I know others won’t, but I respect that.
9. I don’t understand him or why he was included in the game. I don’t like being forced to recruit someone. I don’t like the forced familiarity between him and Shepard. He’s insubordinate and a sexual harasser, and my OP somehow is calling those who don’t like him a “femi****”.
Understanding was the point of the OP, and I did my best. I completely understand not wanting to be forced to recruit someone, but I wonder how ME1 would have been if you didn’t have to recruit anyone. It might have even made the game even more interesting and challenging. Or not.
As for his flirtatious manner, Shepard and many other members of the crew were also flirtatious. But that’s pretty common in the military, regardless of regs, because sexual release is a primary mode of stress relief for human beings, and these people are in a very stressful situation. I grew up military and married military so I can tell you first hand that this is true.
And I hate to break it to you, Quething, but the OP wasn’t about anyone but Vega, and certainly not you. It was not meant to be a reflection on anyone, but to pose a question that readers can ask themselves, which my summary statement more than clarified. The point of the OP was understanding and being open to something different, and was not meant as an insult to anyone at all, anywhere, in any circumstances. Especially not you.
And I hate that word.
10. He’s a waste of resources on the part of the game makers.
Opinion.
11. He was only created as spin-off material.
Not necessarily a good or bad thing. Again, opinion.
12. I don’t care about him one way or another.
Totally legit. I get it, and respect it.
13. In relation to the established characters, he’s boring. He was underdeveloped in the game. He started out as interesting, but loses something once the other characters come along.
He does fade back into a more supporting role, true. He’s straight infantry, an Arms Master. But when it comes right down to it, so was Zaeed, in a combat sense.
14. He’s great when interacting with other characters, adding depth to the game.
I loved the banter myself, especially with Cortez. Not for everyone, but I agree.
15. He’s gay/not gay.
I really don’t see what this has to do with anything. It’s also not a character trait, whether he is or he isn’t.
16. He doesn’t conform to the appearance of the other humans in the game. I don’t like his appearance. He’s ridiculous, a rip-off from another game.
Genetic variety is necessary in a survivalist sense. And besides, if soldiers aren’t supposed to look like that then we’ve been getting it wrong since… oh, I don’t know, the beginning of time.
Warriors throughout time, in the Marines, the Army and other forces, have to work in extreme conditions, so they work out with whatever they have on hand. It’s easier to do this work when you are in prime physical condition. Which, evidently, is to have well-developed muscles and low body fat. It ain’t a crime, and it sure is nice to look at.
17. You can’t compare the ME3 squad with ME2 because the ME2 squad was illegally recruited and cherry-picked in a way the Alliance never could.
Agreed.
18. He does what he has to do to the best of his abilities.
I love that scene. He doesn’t say “No, Commander, I can’t do that.” He was given an order and he did his best to follow it. I just love a driven man.
19. I prefer abilities to combat on my team.
Opinion. And understandable, based on preferred playing style.
20. His lines are laughable, and not in a good way.
ME1 was a gold mine for stupid dialogue. It’s pretty extraordinary that any one character should stand out in any way for that, aside from actually being able to laugh at himself.
21. He would have been better as DLC. His character is underdeveloped.
I agree he would have been better as DLC, and would have had the added benefit of giving the game developers a real statistic as to how much interest there would be in spin-off material with him. And yes, without a doubt, his character was underdeveloped.
22. I hate his Spanglish.
Not liking someone because they unapologetically own their mixed ethnicity is pretty messed up. Your invitation to the Mexican-American Pride Ball has been withdrawn.
23. I’d like to know the actual sentiment for players about Vega.
Me too. Here’s a poll: http://social.biowar...80/polls/37062/
Get your flamethrowers ready! You guys have been a blast so far.
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#180
Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 01:17
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James vega = pointless. I didn't enjoy 1 second of the game that I spent with him. It may be thy you meet people like vega all the damn time. How many Thane's or Legions have you met in your life? None. There are muscle heads and racists and a** lickers like vega ash and Kaiden everywhere you go. I don't recall ever meeting a terminally ill alien ninja assassin with a cool voice. I never had to exchange small talk with a 7 foot battle master whose face was bigger than my body and who head butted his way to victory on his ancient dusty planet.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 02:03
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All my dislike of Vega says about me is that I dislike Vega.
Granted, I was predisposed to dislike him because he was the posterboy for the "We think the last chapter is the perfect entry point for new players" absurdity. He was supposed to be the 'relatable' character for players with no history or understanding of the franchise, and he fails at that. He knows considerably more than any new player would, from his experiences with the Collectors alone, if nothing else, and does nothing to promote explanation through exposition. And, since he failed to perform the dev stated reason he was included in the first place, that pretty much makes him a waste of time, resources and a character slot.
As far as his looks/personality go, I found him 'meh'. It's easy to dismiss him as a meathead, because he does little to convince me otherwise. None of his dialog, or the dialog of those around him, stands out as showing or explaining why he should be considered a particularly valuable member of the team in specific or the Alliance military in general. He could have been 'random dude in Hammer shuttle #3' and have had just as much impact. His one claim to fame is sacrificing lives to get info that Shepard turned around and rendered completely superfluous.
However, if some people like him, that's fine. Not my place to tell you what to like or dislike here.
Granted, I was predisposed to dislike him because he was the posterboy for the "We think the last chapter is the perfect entry point for new players" absurdity. He was supposed to be the 'relatable' character for players with no history or understanding of the franchise, and he fails at that. He knows considerably more than any new player would, from his experiences with the Collectors alone, if nothing else, and does nothing to promote explanation through exposition. And, since he failed to perform the dev stated reason he was included in the first place, that pretty much makes him a waste of time, resources and a character slot.
As far as his looks/personality go, I found him 'meh'. It's easy to dismiss him as a meathead, because he does little to convince me otherwise. None of his dialog, or the dialog of those around him, stands out as showing or explaining why he should be considered a particularly valuable member of the team in specific or the Alliance military in general. He could have been 'random dude in Hammer shuttle #3' and have had just as much impact. His one claim to fame is sacrificing lives to get info that Shepard turned around and rendered completely superfluous.
However, if some people like him, that's fine. Not my place to tell you what to like or dislike here.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 02:13
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He just needed more time actually spent on his character and storyline, and some conversation so that people actually know why it is that Shep and Vega know each other, It's a failing on the writers/developers part, not vega. P.S I love him. 
#183
Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 02:34
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He stole Grunt's place. That's enough to wish he could die. Yes it's a very objective statement.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 03:58
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Uncle Jo wrote...
He stole Grunt's place. That's enough to wish he could die. Yes it's a very objective statement.
Grunt is busy with Aralakh Comapny and Wrex is busy leading the krogan. He did not take the place of any krogan.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 04:50
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Saberchic wrote...
Uncle Jo wrote...
He stole Grunt's place. That's enough to wish he could die. Yes it's a very objective statement.
Grunt is busy with Aralakh Comapny and Wrex is busy leading the krogan. He did not take the place of any krogan.
Grunt is only buys because the plot demands he is busy for arbitrary reasons. As with the rest of the ME2 cast.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 04:57
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dont like vega at all but i dont go ranting about it. the wierd thing is i dont like alot of my human squadmates. jack is great, miranda just squeezes by( or maybe not, depends on my mood) and zaeed and kasumi were fun dlc characters. i could not stand ash and kaiden was so whinny and jacob....zzzzzzzz. as for vega i just didnt like this guy ive never met before being thrown at me with a cliche personality and brackground. hes still better than kaiden and jacob
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 04:57
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I thought he looked a bit much at first, but really liked what they did with him. Particularly his interactions with other squad members.
As to everyone parroting "he's a Gears of War/Jersey shore character"...
Threads about why people don't like Jacob are littered with jokes about the fact that he's black. People have also made fun of Javik's accent for this same reason.
People complained about the original design of default Femshep because she was blonde; and apparently blondes are all bimbos.
Does anyone else find this a strange and unsettling trend?
As to everyone parroting "he's a Gears of War/Jersey shore character"...
Threads about why people don't like Jacob are littered with jokes about the fact that he's black. People have also made fun of Javik's accent for this same reason.
People complained about the original design of default Femshep because she was blonde; and apparently blondes are all bimbos.
Does anyone else find this a strange and unsettling trend?
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 04:58
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grey_wind wrote...
Saberchic wrote...
Uncle Jo wrote...
He stole Grunt's place. That's enough to wish he could die. Yes it's a very objective statement.
Grunt is busy with Aralakh Comapny and Wrex is busy leading the krogan. He did not take the place of any krogan.
Grunt is only buys because the plot demands he is busy for arbitrary reasons. As with the rest of the ME2 cast.
The plot dictates!!!!!! Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah, and so on and so forth. <_<
What I was trying to point out was that both krogan had legitimate reasons for not being with Shep.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:03
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ebreder wrote...
6. He was an obvious replacement for a
krogan squadmate or another earlier character I would have preferred.
General resentment that he’s the new guy when the established characters
are still around, reduced to cameos.
There is no
indication that Vega is a replacement for any character. It seems to
have been the intention to introduce new squadmates in every game.
Please provide proof.
I don't think the complaint was that that he was literally replacing anyone. I believe the sentiment is that Vega is included when he doesn't offer anything substatial over existing characters that could have been used as a squadmate.
Sure, he can be entertaining and flirty, but that doesn't bring anything new to the table. You have Garrus and Tali there for that. I don't hate Vega, I would have liked him around since Mass Effect 1 instead of Alenko or Williams. I just think that, this late in the game, its harder to introduce a squadmate that you're going to click with especially when there are 10 previous characters, all of whom have already been through the ringer with Shepard, who get such little face time.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:12
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There are few times when he's funny, but most of the time I just hate him: his looks, his stupid nicknames, the flirting with FemShep. But hey, not everyone has to be likeable (just like in real-life), so BioWare actually did a good job adding a character like that.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:14
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I hate him simply because he is not necessary. He could have been an extremely well-written character that added to the story and fit the feel of the universe and I would still hate him. Mass Effect 3 is the end of a trilogy, a trilogy which has made a point of introducing more than a dozen interesting characters and giving them all an interesting story. Vega is a complete waste of a squad member regardless of his quality because there are around a dozen people from the first and second games that would have fit better and needed some sort of resolution for their character arcs. The third game should not be the best place to start the trilogy.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:20
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Uh, people, James does not match N7 skills because HE STILL HAS TO BECOME ONE :PPPP
He is an exceptional soldier, so the navy sees in him the potential to become N7, thus offering to train him in that direction.
Duh
Also, the whole Paragon Lost affair shows how he is capable of making difficult decisions, not to mention that his ramming of Eva Core's spacecar might as well have saved the galaxy....
He is an exceptional soldier, so the navy sees in him the potential to become N7, thus offering to train him in that direction.
Duh
Also, the whole Paragon Lost affair shows how he is capable of making difficult decisions, not to mention that his ramming of Eva Core's spacecar might as well have saved the galaxy....
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:22
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ackalaya3 wrote...
I hate him simply because he is not necessary. He could have been an extremely well-written character that added to the story and fit the feel of the universe and I would still hate him. Mass Effect 3 is the end of a trilogy, a trilogy which has made a point of introducing more than a dozen interesting characters and giving them all an interesting story. Vega is a complete waste of a squad member regardless of his quality because there are around a dozen people from the first and second games that would have fit better and needed some sort of resolution for their character arcs. The third game should not be the best place to start the trilogy.
He is necessary since your entire ME2 squad could be dead. Without him, you'd just have EDI, Liara and the VS.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 10:47
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Which involves probably 1% of people who played it as their cannon.Prosarian wrote...
He is necessary since your entire ME2 squad could be dead. Without him, you'd just have EDI, Liara and the VS.
If BW can write an alternative for a killed character (Wrex/Wreav, Mordin/Padok, etc.) why don't do that for an old Normandy member/James? A lot of players wanted to finish the trilogy with familiar faces, me included. This way James could increase a replayability and be a good addition to an another round. I've already heard all his Normandy/Citadel lines and I don't see a point to pick him up just to hear a couple of shouts during a mission. He doesn't add anything to the main plot.
And it would also work well for newcomers.
I do realize he is and will be a part of ME3 but let's be honest - no, he isn't necessary.
Modifié par RinuCZ, 19 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 11:00
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James wasn't that bad, but his late introduction into the game and the lack of story in ME3 - it's the final chapter - makes it impossible to truly develop his character or get to know him. I would have not made that character an officer though...
The crewmember I liked the least in the entire series is Jacob, now that guy was a useless addition to my squad. The only missions I do with him are the first one and his loyalty mission.
The crewmember I liked the least in the entire series is Jacob, now that guy was a useless addition to my squad. The only missions I do with him are the first one and his loyalty mission.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 11:11
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This. BioWare made the character so stereotypical. I wouldn't be surprise if he started fist pumping.mrbthq wrote...
Jersey Shore
Also, first impression is everything to me, and the first time I saw him, the dude was doing pull ups. Disregarding the presence of a superior officer on deck. That just shows a total lack of respect in my opinion.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 12:04
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James is a tank, exacly the job of a Krogan.Saberchic wrote...
Uncle Jo wrote...
He stole Grunt's place. That's enough to wish he could die. Yes it's a very objective statement.
Grunt is busy with Aralakh Company and Wrex is busy leading the krogan. He did not take the place of any krogan.
Tali was Admiral in the Quarian Fleet. Liara was the Shadow Broker. Garrus was the Reapers Expert for the Turian Hierarchy.
So, while I admit that Wrex was really busy uniting the Krogans, curing the genophage and making plans for Tuchanka after the War, the Aralakh Company for Grunt is nothing but a joke.
I've enjoyed every single dialogue line with Grunt and Wrex. Even Wreav, who was an arrogant fool.
James Vega with his nicknames, his jokes and his dialogues in spanglish, is only on the Normandy because Mister McWalters wanted that the new gamers have a squadmate who's as new as them.
He, Diana Allers and Steve Cortez deserve the airlock.
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Posté 19 juillet 2012 - 12:08
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Rhayak wrote...
Uh, people, James does not match N7 skills because HE STILL HAS TO BECOME ONE :PPPP
He is an exceptional soldier, so the navy sees in him the potential to become N7, thus offering to train him in that direction.
Duh
What potential?
Also, the whole Paragon Lost affair shows how he is capable of making difficult decisions, not to mention that his ramming of Eva Core's spacecar might as well have saved the galaxy....
Or he could've used the shuttle's guns.
