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[Father_Jerusalem]

Nuisance78 wrote...

It will also help in getting a lot of people to stop playing the game and just moving onto something else and potentially never buy an EA/Bioware game ever again. Sounds like a good business plan if you ask me.

You mean, the cheaters will move on to something else and never play again? Oh no. What a terrible world that would be, where cheaters are punished for being little ****es and we don't ever have to play with them again. TERRIBLE. OH GOD. WHY, GOD, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO UUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS?

But seriously. You cheat. You get banned. You throw a temper tantrum. You get the eff out. And nobody will think twice about your ass when you go.

[UKillMeLongTime]

Ban them as they will find the next cheat and do it
As was just said if they leave WE WIN!

Who cares if we lose those that know they are breaking the rules. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

reset their rank too

[KevTheGamer]

i don't care most of the time. But sometimes I do just want to play the game

[E71]

I haven't run into any, plus I'm farming most of the time anyway so at the most they'll end the game quicker and I go play elsewhere.

Here's my solution:

First time: Temporarily ban (few days at most) + issue warning clearly the explaining rules (not everyone visits BSN). warning message must be confirmed read before being unbanned.

If repeated: Permanent ban (unless if Bioware can think of something more creative).

Anyone suggesting a permanent ban straight off the bat lacks civility.

You commit a crime IRL, you can get away with a warning but dare not cheat EA out of its micro-transactions for they will send a lynch mob to your home.

* E71 rolls eyes

[waltervolpatto]

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on cheating/exploiting.

each car can exceed the legal limits by a LOT. You deliberately decide to EXPLOIT this feature, breaking the rule, You will receive commensurate punishment established by the rules.

so the "I'm exploiting a glitch in the programming, something that should not be there" argument is null for me. You decided deliberately and voluntarily to break the ULA therefore you should/must/will be banned.

I agree on a escalation for the ban:
1) first offense 1 day with the rules on a splash screen and the agree button (the time of the penalty start on pressing the button)
2) repeated offense: 1 weeks as for above
3) repeated offense: 3 weeks and so forth...

when someone will not play for three weeks will think twice to do it again...

[Strict31]

 The one time I found myself in a match with a missile glitcher, I didn't even notice right away. He was playing a Cerb Adept and once I realized he wasn't detonating the BEs I was setting up for him, I immediately stopped paying attention and ran off to do my own thing.

I just happened to look at the kill-feed and noticed he seemed to be using rather a lot of missiles. My first thought was, "what a ****-ass! This is a goddamn Silver match, and he's using missiles this early?" And it still didn't really click until I saw more and more missile kills attributed to him.

I suddenly got kinda pissed.

It wasn't because he was ruining my fun; as I said, I immediately disregarded the player early on in the game and was just running around killing things on my own. His use of the glitch had absolutely no impact on the game. It was Silver, and nothing he did made it any easier to beat than it already was.

It's hard for me to explain why I was pissed. After the match was over, I questioned him on the matter, to confirm he was using the glitch. He confirmed it, and I immediately filed a report against him after I left the lobby.

Later, I started thinking about it, and I got even angrier. I shouldn't have to leave the lobby behind that sh*t. Guilt by association (or even the strong inference of such) is inherently a logical fallacy. It is a failuer of logic on BW's part to hold others even partly at fault for the actions of someone else.

It is not objectively demonstrable that his use of the glitch in any way benefited me in the match we played. It is further not objectively demonstrable that it would have benefited me had we continued to play in a second match. Again, this was Silver. I'd been playing Silver with randoms for a while that day, and each match was pretty damned easy. Not just the one he was in; all of them, BECAUSE IT WAS SILVER.

But the moment I left the game, I opened another lobby and sat around waiting...waiting...waiting for it to fill up. I finally got tired of waiting and just turned the f*ckin' game off. A lot of you don't seem to have this problem waiting for a public match to fill up. But a lot of you do have this problem. I've experienced it enough to realize that leaving that lobby had more of an impact on my ability to play more than did his use of the glitch.

BW may not be holding us accountable for finding ourselves in the middle of a match with a Missile Glitcher, and that's fine. But they have said we are expected to leave the lobby after we complete that match. Solely on the basis that we'd be benefiting from the guy using the exploit.

And too many of you in the community have accepted that as reasonable and logical, when it clearly is not. Guilt by association is a fallacy of logic. Look it up if you don't wanna take my word for it.

So...I care less about the glitch being exploited than I do about the philosophy and reasoning of those with the power to assign consequences.

Ban the glitchers. Punish them in some other way...I don't really give a sh*t so long as they only target the ones who are truly guilty. Leave the rest of us the f*ck alone so we can play the game we spent 60+ bucks on.

[E71]

waltervolpatto wrote...
1) first offense 1 day with the rules on a splash screen and the agree button (the time of the penalty start on pressing the button)
2) repeated offense: 1 weeks as for above
3) repeated offense: 3 weeks and so forth...

Increasing ban duration, that's even better than my suggestion.

Also I just remembered that people have reported it can be triggered accidentally too, which may mean a permanent ban would seem harsh especially for a 2nd offense.

[Heather-Shepard]

The other night was the first time I played with someone using the missile glitch. I wasn't too bothered by it, since it is co-op and the whole team benefits from the credit bonuses, not to mention it practically guarantees extraction on gold. I just tried to stay away from the person so that I could get in my own kills where I could, otherwise the match would have been incredibly boring. The other teammates obviously didn't mind either, since they stuck around for 3 matches until the glitcher finally left the lobby. It was pretty funny actually, the couple times when the glitcher dropped.. I found it amusing how fast everyone bolted to revive him/her! We got 3 full extractions in a row on gold (in half the time a gold match would normally take) and got a nice credit boost.

I personally like challenge and get no satisfaction out of of cheating. However, its coop. So if someone cheats, the team benefits. After playing with cheaters in competitive multiplayer games like Halo, which is insanely frustrating, it doesn't seem like as big of a deal to me. I'm not cheating, so I don't have to worry about getting banned.

If it was something that happened all the time, I would get annoyed though. It took the challenge away and made the matches pretty boring. But I play matches almost every day and only every encountered it this one time.

[Josh.de]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

if someone does it on purpose "banhammer galore"

How anyone could prove it that a player did the glitch repeatedly on purpose?
Not possible.
BioWare has to fix it or live with it.

[cobrabrady]

Wouldn't the best route be just to work on a patch?

[Lord Rosario]

waltervolpatto wrote...

..
on cheating/exploiting.

each car can exceed the legal limits by a LOT. You deliberately decide to EXPLOIT this feature, breaking the rule, You will receive commensurate punishment established by the rules.

so the "I'm exploiting a glitch in the programming, something that should not be there" argument is null for me. You decided deliberately and voluntarily to break the ULA therefore you should/must/will be banned.

Games and the streets in the real world are two very different things.. Before xbox live, what console games even had a system for banning? I'm sure just about everyone who has played pokemon on gameboy consoles cheated or exploited a loophole at one point or another. What about grand theft auto? Hell, it's encouraged that you exploit weaknesses in a lot of games.

All that said, the moment the exploit effects someone else's experience without their permission is when it's gone too far. Beyond that, microsoft or bioware really shouldn't have any say in how you play the game.

[ka243]

neon skink wrote...

They should code it so if a 6th missile is fired the rocket launcher explodes insta-killing the player

Some players legitamately have 10 missile capacity.  The cap used to be 10 (not me).

[COLZ7R]

Must be lucky i have never came across a missile glitcher on ps3. if repeat offenders get banned couldnt care less

[Solas]

nemesisdivina-vow wrote...

The other night was the first time I played with someone using the missile glitch. I wasn't too bothered by it, since it is co-op and the whole team benefits from the credit bonuses, not to mention it practically guarantees extraction on gold. I just tried to stay away from the person so that I could get in my own kills where I could, otherwise the match would have been incredibly boring. The other teammates obviously didn't mind either, since they stuck around for 3 matches until the glitcher finally left the lobby. It was pretty funny actually, the couple times when the glitcher dropped.. I found it amusing how fast everyone bolted to revive him/her! We got 3 full extractions in a row on gold (in half the time a gold match would normally take) and got a nice credit boost.

I personally like challenge and get no satisfaction out of of cheating. However, its coop. So if someone cheats, the team benefits. After playing with cheaters in competitive multiplayer games like Halo, which is insanely frustrating, it doesn't seem like as big of a deal to me. I'm not cheating, so I don't have to worry about getting banned.

If it was something that happened all the time, I would get annoyed though. It took the challenge away and made the matches pretty boring. But I play matches almost every day and only every encountered it this one time.

Uhhhhh as far as I've read you're considered to be in the same pool as that cheater now, too, since you're supposed to leave the lobby right after a single game with a missile-glitcher that you're aware of. That "nice credit boost" after the initial game with the cheater is a "post-match effect" on your account -

Thomas Abram wrote...

TA has stated before that you can finish the match so you don't waste your consumables, but leave the lobby right after. 

Thomas Abram wrote...

Right now, we're okay with players finishing their match if people are exploiting the infinite missile glitch. However, if you stay in the lobby after said game then you will be considered in the same pool as the cheater(s).

Thomas Abram wrote...

There is no expectation that players will report others nor will we ever reprimand a player for not reporting someone (as long as there was no post-match effects on their account).

Andrew Leung wrote...

We do check for multiple offenses, which is why people are able to stay within a single game with cheaters and not suffer reprecussions.

Modifié par Carbon-based, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[BlackoutOmega]

I barely encounter them, and when I do, they always join mid-game, so I don't leave having already earning credits. They're always nice people and I get free credits so I really could care less. Besides, they're not hacking, it's a glitch. They're not using outside sources to modify the game, they're using something IN THE GAME.

[Huttj509]

I have a question. How easy is the missile glitch (no specifics please)? I mean, Reegar + Flamer is basically just hit flamer when shooting reegar. Reload-cancel involves using an ability/run/roll/medigel when alive after the gun's incremented ammo. Those are fairly simple, easily done accidentally things.

Something like the invisible weapon, which involves doing the right thing at the right time by a ladder (I think), is much less trivial to do accidentally.

I've been deliberately avoiding details on how to do it, because I don't even want to try it out. I'm just wondering how viable the 'accidental unknowing' argument is.

[Lord Rosario]

Huttj509 wrote...

I have a question. How easy is the missile glitch (no specifics please)? I mean, Reegar + Flamer is basically just hit flamer when shooting reegar. Reload-cancel involves using an ability/run/roll/medigel when alive after the gun's incremented ammo. Those are fairly simple, easily done accidentally things.

Something like the invisible weapon, which involves doing the right thing at the right time by a ladder (I think), is much less trivial to do accidentally.

I've been deliberately avoiding details on how to do it, because I don't even want to try it out. I'm just wondering how viable the 'accidental unknowing' argument is.

it's as easy as being in a do or die situation while carrying an explosive based weapon [falcon, krysae, scorpian, etc.] and tring to use your missiles quickly, but pressing one too many buttons. It's very very easy to accidentally do when you are surprised by say a second banshee coming around the corner and trying to missile it too fast.

[jpraelster93]

They are gonna ban people and never fix the glitch thats how they handle all their glitches

[Lord Rosario]

jpraelster93 wrote...

They are gonna ban people and never fix the glitch thats how they handle all their glitches

Seriously.. if they just keep banning people and never fix any of these glitches that, in their oppinion, are worth banning over, someone shoudl start a movement for everyone on the forums to just glitch the heck out of things.

Only talking if nothing is done at all to try and combat it after say 3 or more months.

[sirus1988]

Burn Them.

[xZBx]

I'd be happy they get me 75K and then i'll quit the lobby.

[IllusiveManJr]

Lord Rosario wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

They are gonna ban people and never fix the glitch thats how they handle all their glitches

Seriously.. if they just keep banning people and never fix any of these glitches that, in their oppinion, are worth banning over, someone shoudl start a movement for everyone on the forums to just glitch the heck out of things.

Only talking if nothing is done at all to try and combat it after say 3 or more months.

LOL. I'll be busy pouring hundreds of hours into Borderlands 2 in two months.

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:07 .

[Kyerea]

ackaholic wrote...

i say more than a ban, especially for the ones that did it SEVERAL times. i would like a ban plus credit/pack purchase wipe since first occurrence for the player and a reset of N7 to what they were before they did it the first time. it annoys me but not that bad i just lure the phantom or banshee behind them for an insta kill if possible. but ive only ran into one of them as i play with friends all the time a minimum of 2 others and we kick people that bring strikers, falcons, ect because of this

Yeah, that's pretty vindictive and petty. In fact, that's probably the most vindictive post I've ever seen on here.

Anyways TIM11, I believe those who have abused it multiple times should be banned, but maybe temporarily (possibly a month or longer determining the severity of usage; numerous violations = permanent), instead of permanently. Our community is not a large enough community to start throwing around the banhammer against everyone who accidentally or purposely committed the offense. Also, this "glitch" should be addressed at some point with a patch. Otherwise, peope will continue to exploit it or accidentally come across it.

I play PC fyi.

Modifié par Kyerea, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:15 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Way I figure it, and this is me being optimistic here, Bioware is working on it. They may not know what, exactly, is causing it, so it might take time as opposed to snapping one's fingers, and getting it done in a day's time or less.

While they're sorting it out, they're punishing the people who take advantage of it while they work on a fix. I like that.

I'm okay with this scenario.

How do they know who's cheating? Game feedback, and reports, largely, I bet.

With optimisim, maybe a program that reads the missile cap of a player, then compares it to missile firings/kills. I've seen a kill tracking program in Gotham City Impostors. Lets you knwo who killed you from where with what, and vice versa.

But yeah, if a person's cheating, they're doing it to themselves when they get banned. They know it's wrong, but they do it anyhow.

People caught in the crossfire, not cheating, but in the same match? Bioware's stance in that hey can finish the match, but must bail is perfectly reasonable.

Anyhow, as far as this matter goes, I'll give bioware the benefit of the doubt.

[Akruze]

Instead of just banning them I think Bioware should send a signal through the internet that causes their computers to explode. I'm being serious. They're scum.
Jokes aside, they should be banned permanantly and their records deleted. Don't cheat. It's pathetic.