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[Sable Phoenix]

Other than a transition armor to Heavy and Massive, when your warriors still don't have a high enough Strength to carry those, I can't think of any use for Medium armor except perhaps the Ancient Elven Armor set for an Arcane Warrior.  If you're a rogue, you want light armor to keep aggro down and for the Dexterity and Cunning bonuses that several types will give you, and if you're a warrior you want the heaviest armor you can carry.  Medium is just in a wierd halfway point that makes it mostly useless.

The way the gameplay is set up it would almost be better just to have two types of armor, light or heavy.

[Fleapants]

I use medium armor on my non-tank warriors. They don't need the armor bonus of massive armor and certainly not the fatigue penalty.

[Faerell Gustani]

Dual Wielding Rogues who are tanking for a Rogue party.

Yes I know that's very niche, and no I can't confirm that exactly. It's just my plan for a 3 rogue play through.



Zev will be going Str/Dex (yes I know Lethality will a wasted talent point, but I need it for Evasion).

He only needs enough energy to Whirlwind or Dual Weapon Sweep to gain initial aggro and hopefully that plus heavier armor than the rest of the party will keep the baddies stuck to him while Lelianna and my main backstab everything to death.

So with that considered, Zev can easily pick up Medium armor, but probably not anything too much higher cause I want him to have insanely high dex to be "unhittable".



Now the real question is what the use of Heavy armor is. I know no use for Heavy Armor. I mean Medium is niche enough.

I suspect Heavy is only really useful for Warriors that Dual Wield. But even then, the should just not have Threaten active and your other warriors will take the initial heat.

[fchopin]

Never use medium armor so have no idea why it is in the game. Most light armor is as good as the medium armor so why should anyone use it.

[Dangorado]

Wade's Dragonbone splintmail is awesome though. My warrior has around -20% fatigue with it on, in addition to a hefty stamina bonus.

[Gaidren]

I agree, the only use I see for medium armor (and heavy armor for that matter) is for when your heavy melee can't equip massive armor yet.



On a side note, am I the only one that thinks it was a huge oversight that they let you swap armor during combat? You couldn't do that in the old Baldur's Gate games, and it made pretty good sense why not. Arcane Warriors are overpowered enough without being able to start a fight in mage clothes, dump your mana pool, then toss on massive armor. /shrug

[Taritu]

I use Wades dragonskin on Sten or Oghren or myself if I'm a dps warrior. Makes a huge difference if you want to pump out special moves. Put it on Sten in my current playthrough, and with that and Yusaris, he's gone from gimp to god.

[Dark83]

Gaidren wrote...

On a side note, am I the only one that thinks it was a huge oversight that they let you swap armor during combat? You couldn't do that in the old Baldur's Gate games, and it made pretty good sense why not. Arcane Warriors are overpowered enough without being able to start a fight in mage clothes, dump your mana pool, then toss on massive armor. /shrug

They probably figured that anyone who's going to go to all that effort can do it if they like.

[Kaigen42]

My 2h Champion/Berserker warrior, even with 4 sustainables running, literally could not run out of stamina using all activated abilities with Wade's medium dragonskin armor and the Chasind Great Maul.



Take that for what you will.

[tetracycloide]

Dangorado wrote...

Wade's Dragonbone splintmail is awesome though. My warrior has around -20% fatigue with it on, in addition to a hefty stamina bonus.

This, with the right talents and armor a DPS warrior can reduce fatigue costs with the right equipment.

[TheRealIncarnal]

Medium Armor actually is great for DPS characters who want to be in the thick of things, not draw a great deal of attention, and survive the attention that they do draw.

Lighter Armor means less attention from enemies, as they are attracted to more heavily armored targets. So if your tank is using Threaten and is in Massive armor then your Melee DPS Rogue or Warrior is going to be much less attractive of a target in medium armor.

Then there's, I think it's Chainmail and Wade's (Superior) Dragonscale Armor, which can actually reduce the fatigue penalty for using abilities below 0%. This means that your 2-Hander or Dual Wielding fighter can keep cranking out the special attacks, significantly boosting their combat usefulness.

Modifié par TheRealIncarnal, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[Sable Phoenix]

I kind of agree that Heavy armor is generally not useful compared to Massive either, except early in the game when you just can't carry Massive at all.



It just seems weird that two whole tiers of armors are mostly transitional types that fall out of use by the late game.

[TheRealIncarnal]

Well, it's like I explained above. It's not really transitional if you have a good tactic for using it, as I've explained all in the post above yours.



All armor is situational.

[Riot Inducer]

Yeah, Medium (and to a lesser extent, Heavy) armor is much better for the DPS melee character, it gives them less threat and gives them much lighter (or even negative) fatigue penalties so they can use special abilities and attacks far more often.



I'd say Heavy armor is better for the dual purpose, DPS/Off-tank character as it will give them more threat than medium while still not encumbering them nearly as badly as massive so they can still use special abilities reasonably.



It is a bit frustrating however that almost all the special and potent armors in the game are massive ones. Apart from Wade's medium and Heavy dragonbone variants I can't think of any unique medium or heavy armor sets.

[Tonya777]

No it isn't



Heavy armor is the end all be all for low fatigue for non tank warriors



Evon the greats mail + wades superior heavy dragonscale chainmail = like 3% total fatigue , I just beat the game with a character wearing that



What use is medium armor? Nobody knows... what use is shapeshifter? Nobody knows...



Its like in real life when you question the existance of certain things... like roaches? things in the world and in video games really serve no purpose except to be useless/annoying

[Loc'n'lol]

Riot Inducer wrote...

it gives them less threat

No, no, no, it doesn't.

Naked/clothing = 0
Light armor = +5
Medium/Heavy/Massive = +10

The only good thing about medium armor is that it looks cool.

[Riot Inducer]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

it gives them less threat

No, no, no, it doesn't.

Naked/clothing = 0
Light armor = +5
Medium/Heavy/Massive = +10

The only good thing about medium armor is that it looks cool.

seriously? That kinda goes against everything the game has told me regarding armor classes, fail-tooltips ftl eh? Still doesn't explain why everyone glomps Sten in massive armor while my DW warrior in medium has to run over and whirlwind them off of him.

[Tonya777]

Not even , only silverite scalemail looks cool , the other medium armors all look lame compared to the heavy & massive armors

[TheRealIncarnal]

Seriously? Maybe it's just because of what it says in the manual and the tool-tips, but I noticed a significant decrease in people attacking my DPS warrior when I switched from Massive to Medium armor, and Alistair seems to hold them much better when he's using Massive over his default Medium. Of course, perhaps my expectations are coloring my experience.



Perhaps we need someone from Bioware to clear up this issue.

[Tonya777]

STR effects aggro



It says so right there if you click "Impact" (X button on Xbox 360) when viewing character stats and highlight STR



Its probably because Alistair had to have minimum 42 STR to wear that stuff therefore all enemies are defaulted to being most hostile towards him

[Tirigon]

Gaidren wrote...

I agree, the only use I see for medium armor (and heavy armor for that matter) is for when your heavy melee can't equip massive armor yet.

On a side note, am I the only one that thinks it was a huge oversight that they let you swap armor during combat? You couldn't do that in the old Baldur's Gate games, and it made pretty good sense why not. Arcane Warriors are overpowered enough without being able to start a fight in mage clothes, dump your mana pool, then toss on massive armor. /shrug

Yea, it´s not very realistic to change clothes in a fight. But, then again, it´s probably easier than throwing fireballs and catching enemies in a prison made out of spirit. If your average AW can do that, why should he be unable to change his armor?

[Fleapants]

Tonya777 wrote...

No it isn't

Heavy armor is the end all be all for low fatigue for non tank warriors

Evon the greats mail + wades superior heavy dragonscale chainmail = like 3% total fatigue , I just beat the game with a character wearing that

What use is medium armor? Nobody knows... what use is shapeshifter? Nobody knows...

Its like in real life when you question the existance of certain things... like roaches? things in the world and in video games really serve no purpose except to be useless/annoying

Just because an armor is expensive doesn't mean that it's any good.
Evon's armor has exactly 1 beneficial stat for non-tank warrior, which is the Stamina regen. Everything else benefits a tank much more, and the stamina + fatigue reductions you miss out on by not using all pieces of Wade's Superior medium or heavy armor is massive.
My warrior in the medium dragonskin armor has a fatigue of -22,3% without anything activated.

[Aedan_Cousland]

I used medium armors on my male human noble warrior thoughout most of the game. I just thought the medium armors looked cooler than most of the heavy plate, and seemed more realistic.

[xsgenefuzz]

Personally, I enjoy putting Sten in either Ancient Elven or Varathorn's Armor... because it makes him look so pretty! ;-P

[Dahaza]

I use Varathon's Armor on my rogue for most of my game, and upgrade her with Evon's Mail armor. My rogue barely takes any damage with Evon's Mail armor and the Executioner's helm on.