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[caradoc2000]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Wait the warden can have her

Male warden can sleep with Gheyna, and female warden can sleep with Cammen.

[Fauxnormal]

two...random NPCs no one really gives a **** about.

No.

[DPSSOC]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

In my latest Dwarf Noble run, I managed to find a new exploit that allows you to sleep with Gheyna and get them together.

I felt proud of myself.

You ser are a hero and a visionary, you do your people proud.

LobselVith8 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
A male Warden can alternatively choose to sleep with Gheyna ruining her life, or a female Warden can sleep with Cammen, I have no idea how that turns out the few female Wardens I've played are totally with Gheyna on this one.

You can get them together even if the female Warden sleeps with Cammen, unless The Warden tells Gheyna what she did with Cammen; Gheyna confronts Cammen about it. If The Warden tells Cammen about sleeping with Gheyna, he seems to run away into the woods.

As for Gheyna, I don't see how sleeping with The Warden ruins her life.

Well that's the impression that I got from her when my human noble did it.

LobselVith8 wrote...
It certainly seems better than being the scion of Cammen... in my humble opinion.

Suffering from the Blight and slowly turning into a ghoul is better than being the scion of Cammen, the only thing I can think would be worse is having to call him your son.

[IanPolaris]

Ethereal Writer says it was possible to sleep with Gheyna and still complete the quest. Mind if I ask how. I know that a female warden can sleep with Cammen (ugh) and still complete the quest by convincing Gheyna to marry him anyway and not mention their little tryst. However, I always got the impression (and it always seemed to work out this way for me) that if my male warden seduced Gheyna, that quest automatically become uncompleteable (except by Cammen running off into the forest to be killed).

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

I don't really see why people hate Cammen so much. He's an unpracticed hunter... he has oddly puffy cheeks... is that really enough to inspire such loathing?

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't really see why people hate Cammen so much. He's an unpracticed hunter... he has oddly puffy cheeks... is that really enough to inspire such loathing?

This is going to sound mean, but if I had to find picture from a computer game for the dictionary definition of "loser", Cammen would be it.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

IanPolaris wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't really see why people hate Cammen so much. He's an unpracticed hunter... he has oddly puffy cheeks... is that really enough to inspire such loathing?

This is going to sound mean, but if I had to find picture from a computer game for the dictionary definition of "loser", Cammen would be it.

-Polaris

Eh, my instinct with that sort of person is to help them.

[thats1evildude]

I helped Cammen be with Gheyna. They clearly loved each other. It seems a bit cruel not to help them just because Cammen isn't attractive.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[Fauxnormal]

I don't think it has to do with Cammen not being attractive.

More like Cammen being a complete whiny helpless pathetic loser without balls to speak of.

Though I helped them, too; so far. >.>

[TEWR]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ethereal Writer says it was possible to sleep with Gheyna and still complete the quest. Mind if I ask how.

-Polaris

As I said, it's an exploit/glitch and not a normal method of completion. First, get a wolf pelt.

Next, have one character directly in front of Cammen and another directly in front of Gheyna -- and I mean right in front of them, invading their personal space.

Then, open the radial menu and have the character in front of Cammen plan to talk to him, but don't exit the radial menu. Instead, switch over to the character that's in front of Gheyna and have him/her plan to talk to Gheyna. If it's been done correctly, you can give Cammen a Wolf Pelt and seduce Gheyna. You'll know it's been done correctly if the quest updates saying they're together, the clan remarks upon them being together, and Gheyna says "I can't believe I just did that! How can I live with myself?"

[Xilizhra]

Well, he's clearly young, and upset that he actually can't do anything with Gheyna because of the whole werewolf situation. He has to actually be coaxed into telling anyone about his problem, so I don't think it's actually "whiny."

[Fauxnormal]

Oh.

He's whiny.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, he's clearly young, and upset that he actually can't do anything with Gheyna because of the whole werewolf situation. He has to actually be coaxed into telling anyone about his problem, so I don't think it's actually "whiny."

I think what makes me hate him is that he just... lacks confidence. In regards to Gheyna, hunting, etc.

I mean, I know not everyone is confident, but something about Cammen and his lack of confidence just.... makes me hate him.

DPSSOC wrote...

You ser are a hero and a visionary, you do your people proud.

Xanthos Aeducan is going to make sure he spreads his awesomeness as much as possible! There shall be half-Dwarves and full-blooded Dwarves that are his progeny everywhere!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:06 .

[AbsoluteApril]

caradoc2000 wrote...
 Male warden can sleep with Gheyna, and female warden can sleep with Cammen.

I had no clue this could be done! 5 PTs and I've always gotten them together, of course, I've always sided with the Dalish so far as well. Glad I clicked on this thread. *bwah-hah-hah* evil warden laughs for next PT.

It would be interesting to see them again in DA3 (or their child) but there are other characters I'd like to have return more than them. Cammen always seemed shy, unsure and sweet to me, he was stuck and at a loss.

[Xilizhra]

I think what makes me hate him is that he just... lacks confidence. In regards to Gheyna, hunting, etc.

I mean, I know not everyone is confident, but something about Cammen and his lack of confidence just.... makes me hate him.

Geesh, you'd hate me in real life, then.

[dragonflight288]

I personally don't like or respect Cammen. Not because of his lack of confidence issues, but Gheyna does say that even before the werewolf issues, he still had problems hunting animals and gathering a pelt by himself. I don't know if he's simply unskilled and lacks confidence in himself (like Neville in the early Harry Potter books) or if he simply lets his problems get in the way of his concentration.

He did have to be coaxed into telling us his story, but he was absolutely terrified of our Warden no matter the origin, even if we have an attitude of simply wanting to help he's about ready to start running off. And when he does tell us, it's all about how helpless he is. It's like he has the picture perfect life planned, and doesn't know how to go outside of it.

We can ask him to man up and do something about his situation and his very first thought is, 'there's nothing I can do.' He even feels giving a gift is inappropriate until marriage. He's the only character in any culture I can think of who would feel that a gift is inappropriate outside of marriage.

[Xilizhra]

Well, Gheyna clearly liked something about him, despite his confidence issues. Though we never really learn what that is...

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Lacking confidence is fine. Being unskilled is also fine (not everyone can be amazing like the warden). What I dislike about Cammen is he doesn't even seem to want to try. He has such a defeatist attitude and it just makes me want to slap him. I can sympathise with him finding it difficult to talk to the girl he likes (like Merrill I tend to get flustered) but with the hunting I don't get why he doesn't just practice. I prefer people who say "I can do that" even if it leads to them epic failing.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think what makes me hate him is that he just... lacks confidence. In regards to Gheyna, hunting, etc.

I mean, I know not everyone is confident, but something about Cammen and his lack of confidence just.... makes me hate him.

Geesh, you'd hate me in real life, then.

No it's not that I hate people that lack confidence in general. Just Cammen. Otherwise I'd hate myself too.

Like I said, something about Cammen lacking confidence makes me not like or respect him. Perhaps because he's supposed to be Dalish. Perhaps because the children of the clan show more guts and confidence then him. Maybe I just hate him irrationally.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .

[The Hierophant]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think what makes me hate him is that he just... lacks confidence. In regards to Gheyna, hunting, etc.

I mean, I know not everyone is confident, but something about Cammen and his lack of confidence just.... makes me hate him.

Geesh, you'd hate me in real life, then.

No it's not that I hate people that lack confidence in general. Just Cammen. Otherwise I'd hate myself too.

Like I said, something about Cammen lacking confidence makes me not like or respect him. Perhaps because he's supposed to be Dalish. Perhaps because the children of the clan show more guts and confidence then him. Maybe I just hate him irrationally.

It's probably his voice that irks you.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[dragonflight288]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Lacking confidence is fine. Being unskilled is also fine (not everyone can be amazing like the warden). What I dislike about Cammen is he doesn't even seem to want to try. He has such a defeatist attitude and it just makes me want to slap him. I can sympathise with him finding it difficult to talk to the girl he likes (like Merrill I tend to get flustered) but with the hunting I don't get why he doesn't just practice. I prefer people who say "I can do that" even if it leads to them epic failing.

Pretty much this. Cammen doesn't even try. If he has problems hunting, then what is the problem? If it's tracking, I'm sure he can ask help and practice that more. If it's markmanship with the bow, he can practice on fake targets. He just does nothing. He isn't even preparing to hunt when he's allowed back into the woods again. He just talks about how there's noting he can do.

[TEWR]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Lacking confidence is fine. Being unskilled is also fine (not everyone can be amazing like the warden). What I dislike about Cammen is he doesn't even seem to want to try. He has such a defeatist attitude and it just makes me want to slap him. I can sympathise with him finding it difficult to talk to the girl he likes (like Merrill I tend to get flustered) but with the hunting I don't get why he doesn't just practice. I prefer people who say "I can do that" even if it leads to them epic failing.

This is probably the best reason that I hate Cammen, in addition to his lacking confidence as the two are very much linked for Cammen himself.

The Hierophant wrote...

It's probably just his voice that irks you

Well it certainly doesn't help my opinions of him

[The Hierophant]

With lust in his eyes, Winnie the Pooh sauntered towards Gheyna, and Canmen while the latter had worked up enough courage to approach the former. Alarmed by a tug at her armor's skirt, Gheyna looked down to regard her greeter. Their gazes had met, and the seduction in Winnie's stare had unlocked something primal in her soul, a yearning. The clan watched on in shock, outrage, and bemusement as Gheyna lead her courter towards her tent. All who witnessed turned towards Canmen to see how he would react, but he wasn't there. At the time when Winnie and Gheyna locked gazes, Canmen had already run away, arms flailing with tears streaming down his cheeks.

Long story short that's what i think of Canmen.
 
@TEWR lol

Modifié par The Hierophant, 23 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[DPSSOC]

I think a lot of my dislike for Cammen comes from my Dalish playthrough. I did a Human Noble first and kinda thought, "Ahh you poor sod let me help you out," and I was fine with him. Then I played a Dalish and met Pol, an elf who's never fired a bow, never so much as held a weapon, and he approaches the prospect of hunting game with more confidence and dignity than Cammen. Cammen, who's grown up among the Dalish, probably been learning to use a bow since he could walk, comes across as being frightened of his own shadow. Is there nothing else he could do? Could he not be an apprentice to the crafter? Why are they trusting this guy with something sharp?

[dragonflight288]

DPSSOC wrote...

I think a lot of my dislike for Cammen comes from my Dalish playthrough. I did a Human Noble first and kinda thought, "Ahh you poor sod let me help you out," and I was fine with him. Then I played a Dalish and met Pol, an elf who's never fired a bow, never so much as held a weapon, and he approaches the prospect of hunting game with more confidence and dignity than Cammen. Cammen, who's grown up among the Dalish, probably been learning to use a bow since he could walk, comes across as being frightened of his own shadow. Is there nothing else he could do? Could he not be an apprentice to the crafter? Why are they trusting this guy with something sharp?

Because he might be afraid of crafting an ineffectual bow and bring shame to the craftsmen art.