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[Todd23]

@Dintonta I like your theories. But where would the fact that the golden city was already black when the magisters found it tie in (according to Corypheus)? And what about the stone? We see multiple examples of it's "memory" (spectral beings of the past). Thirdly, then who was it Sandal was talking about when he said "he" during his proficy? I can get that the viel will be completely removed, but who is this he?
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[Dintonta]

Todd23 wrote...

@Dintonta I like your theories. But where would the fact that the golden city was already black when the magisters found it tie in (according to Corypheus)?...

Maybe the Golden City was that special place beyond the Eluvians, where the elves used to retire from life?
If their gods were trapped by the lyrichlorians/Trickster/Maker in this very place, and since they couldn't help their worshippers anymore against the Imperium (who didn't need its own buried gods to fight, since it used a more worldly magic), Arlathan being sunken below earth by a very, very foul Tevinter spell, did The Golden City blackened because :

a) It became a gods' prison, and prisons are always sad places (especially gods' prisons)?
There was a magical link (hindered by the Trickster but not yet severed) between Arlathan and the Golden City (was the last a reflection of the first beyond the Fade?) and the Tevinter spell upon Arlathan backfired unto its magical extension?
c) The elven gods wept the fall of Arlathan, and their tears massively blackened the walls?
d) The lyrichlorians/Trickster/Maker, when they witnessed the said fall, realized they had pushed the joke too far... They went all regrets and sorrow (perhaps the walls of the Golden City were not made of gold, after all, but of lyrium... and the lyrichlorians' mourning turned it black)?
Afterward they decided to not mess with the world again and became silent (just singing)... (The human followers of the lyrichlorians/Trickster/Maker mistakenly thought they should took the blame for that ...)

Whatever the answer, the Magisters entered the Golden City about six centuries after the fall of Arlathan and their gods were since long buried. If the blackening, like I suppose, is related to the Trickster/Maker part in the fall of Arlathan, and not to the Magisters' breaching, it would make sense that they found it already black.

...And what about the stone? We see multiple examples of it's "memory" (spectral beings of the past)...

Considering that Lyrium is the Parangon of stones, it wouldn't be too surprising if the dwarven Stone and the lyrichlorians/Trickster/Maker were one and only thing. (And the Stone has its sith side too : The Gangue.)

Thirdly, then who was it Sandal was talking about when he said "he" during his proficy? I can get that the viel will be completely removed, but who is this he?

Since I didn't play through DA2, I can't really be of any help here... Now, if you think the lyrichlorians/Trickster/Maker/Stone found a manner to prophecies something by the mean of Sandal Feddic hearing a voice in his head, I'd say the easiest way they could have proceeded would have been to make him ear his own voice...

Modifié par Dintonta, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:23 .

[Todd23]

I some how doubt Morrigan would refer to the black city (center of the fade) as being beyond the fade.

You should here Sandal's prophecy, you can find it on Youtube.

[Dintonta]

Todd23 wrote...
I some how doubt Morrigan would refer to the black city (center of the fade) as being beyond the fade.

A plug is situated in the center of a sink, and it is its exit too... Perhaps the Black City is only a door?

You should here Sandal's prophecy, you can find it on Youtube.

Thank you, I just did!
(Hey, I was previously thinking of something much more funny : he would have said something like "He told me...", surprised to hear his inner voice saying something else that "enchantment"...)

Sooo... Yes, he clearly speaks of "He", who rises... Let's change the approach...
There is a Trickster who is the sith side of the jedi Maker... Both are veeeery lyrichlorians-imbued high-dragons.
The first did something to magic as a whole (lyrichlorians/Stone) that trapped everybody else and created a perturbation in Lyrium that reflects upon the material world (Red Lyrium ==> Blight taint).
One day that curse shall be reversed, the big Maker-dragon shall rise, the flux in magic shall stop, and blighted creatures shall return to their normal state.

One important question remains, though... Is it magic (lyrichlorians/Stone) which created the Maker...

Modifié par Dintonta, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[Vox Draco]

If they handle it liek they did in ME3, I don't want any answers...answers to questions never asked, actually...

No, I prefer to have some mystery about Thedas, the Maker, the Darkspawn etc. For me that uncertainty is part of the appeal of the game world. Are the archdemons truly sleeping, mutated gods of old? How came the Darkspawn in existence? Are those questions really needed to be answered...?

for me it is a little like the Elder Scrolls. there you have many different versions of the various myths, for example the story of the dark-elven hero Nerevarine. How was he killed, was he murdered by his closest allies? You never get a definite answer but have to make the best out of contradicting stories told to you...I like that...

I really don't want to play a Dragon Age where my hero finally stands in front of the maker ... and he tells us he created the Darkspawn to wipe out humanity to prevent humanity from gettign wiped out by the Qunari...and then we happily decide in which colour we want the world to end...and be reborn with everyone being half-qunari, a world without any magic or our hero being the Darkspawn-Overlord, or soemthing stupid like that...

[Todd23]

More great theories. However I doubt the Maker is a dragon, from my experience dragons tend to stick together (imprisoning the old gods). But I like the theory that the old gods and elven gods are one and the same. It would explain why some things say humans learned blood magic from elves, and others say from the old gods. Both trapped by Maker/Trickster... unless the elves of buried Arlathen posed as the Tevinter Magisters' gods, and tricked them into entering a corrupted place, so they'd be damned for all eternity.

[DPSSOC]

Vox Draco wrote...
for me it is a little like the Elder Scrolls. there you have many different versions of the various myths, for example the story of the dark-elven hero Nerevarine. How was he killed, was he murdered by his closest allies? You never get a definite answer but have to make the best out of contradicting stories told to you...I like that...

Same here.  Give us a few concrete's but keep a few things up in the air.  For example Morrigan's ritual pretty much firmly establishes the Archdemons are Old Gods and that the Old Gods did exist, but there are still questions of what exactly happened to them.  Keep in mind this is fantasy not sci-fi, we don't need an explanation for everything, and really the less we know the easier it is to suspend disbelief.

[Todd23]

You hear that Bioware? Leave them in the dark. But can I still know?

[DPSSOC]

You could always just kidnap Gaider and demand answers.

[Dintonta]

Todd23 wrote...

... unless the elves of buried Arlathen posed as the Tevinter Magisters' gods, and tricked them into entering a
corrupted place, so they'd be damned for all eternity.

That's a good idea! I didn't think about that...

Todd23 wrote...
You hear that Bioware? Leave them in the dark. But can I still know?

Hey, No! I want a definitive answer about chickens and eggs!

DPSSOC wrote...
You could always just kidnap Gaider and demand answers.

I'm with you!
(Perhaps He DON'T have answers, Oh the horror!)

Modifié par Dintonta, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:05 .

[Todd23]

The egg came first. The animal that was to evolve into a chicken was already laying eggs.

[Dintonta]

Thanks a lot!

[Todd23]

You're welcome. c]:{

[Aulis Vaara]

Vox Draco wrote...

No, I prefer to have some mystery about Thedas, the Maker, the Darkspawn etc. For me that uncertainty is part of the appeal of the game world. Are the archdemons truly sleeping, mutated gods of old? How came the Darkspawn in existence? Are those questions really needed to be answered...?

Yes, they do. What's the point of a mystery if it's not going to be resolved? Trying to find your own answer is a lot of fun, but ultimately rings hollow if you can't find out if you were correct or not.