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[1483749283]

Title says it all. Last time I played was in 2008... Keto and Amber were the best I thought.

I'm only looking for voiced mods that are equal or better quality to Bioware's. Anything new since then?

[ussnorway]

Amber stops at Tob.
Haer'Dalis romance for girls is very chatty and has an issue with SCS Improved Irenicus in Hell but np with vanilla http://www.spellhold...aerdalisromance
Sarah for girls again is very good as well... no powerful items however.

[sergio1992]

Iylios
Xulaye
Longer road
Varshoon
Angelo


Also check there if there is something that meets your taste : http://www.spellhold....net/shm-ie-npc

I just advised you the mods I tried and I was happy with.

[ScotGaymer]

I like Nathaniel, and Sarah if you want "gay" romances. Or just nice characters to be friends with.

I have Faren, and Arath installed too but I haven't played them as yet so I can not say if they are "good" yet.
I always rather liked Solaufein. And Kelsey is just brilliant.

Don't touch Saerileth, or Tsujatha, or any of the NPC mods by the same folk. Seriously. They bad.

[The Potty 1]

I quite liked the Imoen romance, doesn't feel as vapid as some NPC mods. Currently playing Angelo and Keto, both pretty cool. Longer road is fun too, although it's only ToB, and massively overpowered.

I'd avoid Kido unless you want to play really evil. He's a Jester who will eventually comprise part of the 'mod for the wicked', which currently counts as vaporware. I tried him because I wanted to run a bard-only group, PC blade along with Haer'dalis (blade), Kido (Jester), Keto(bard), Jan (bard), & Korgan (skald).

If you do play either him or Keto, you should install one of the mods that fixes bard song. The fixpack has the least aggressive fixes, while rogue rebalancing or song & silence make more sweeping changes. S&S hasn't been updated for over two years, perhaps it's already perfect, but RR is in active development so I'd recommend that, or both together (first SS then RR).

[ScotGaymer]

Imoen romance? Really?

She is the main characters sister! lol.

EDIT:
That is as bad as the people who asked "Can we romance Bethany?" when DA2 came out.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 juillet 2012 - 01:02 .

[ussnorway]

Texturally speaking she has a different adopted dad (inn keeper) and the canon backstory hints to her being LIKE a little sister to the pc... I’m still with you on the sex with bro = yuck but I have not played the mod so hopefully they played down the incestral angel?

Surprised nobody has put forward the Nalia (De'Arnise not G3) romance yet... I’m looking to try it next so are there any issues with it we should be aware of?

[ScotGaymer]

Um no.

Imoen is your sister. You share the same biological father.

Even if siblings aint been raised together it's still incest lol. The incestuous part comes from the genetics.

[Grimwald the Wise]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I like Nathaniel, and Sarah if you want "gay" romances. Or just nice characters to be friends with.

I have Faren, and Arath installed too but I haven't played them as yet so I can not say if they are "good" yet.
I always rather liked Solaufein. And Kelsey is just brilliant.

Don't touch Saerileth, or Tsujatha, or any of the NPC mods by the same folk. Seriously. They bad.

I disagree. I don't like Nathaniel and Sarah, but do like Saerileth.

That's the problem with asking for advice. Asking two people for an opinion and you'll get different answers depending on those people's preferences, values and suchlike.

I would therefore recommend that you install more rather than less. You can then give them all a try and see whether or not you like them.

[Grimwald the Wise]

ussnorway wrote...

Texturally speaking she has a different adopted dad (inn keeper) and the canon backstory hints to her being LIKE a little sister to the pc... I’m still with you on the sex with bro = yuck but I have not played the mod so hopefully they played down the incestral angel?

Surprised nobody has put forward the Nalia (De'Arnise not G3) romance yet... I’m looking to try it next so are there any issues with it we should be aware of?

Have tried it and from what I saw of it before being killed, liked it.

Obviously having two Nalia mods in the same installation is asking for trouble, so I would advise against that.

[Flamedance]

Unless you're into really kinky stuff like paedophilia and incest, you'd better avoid Saerilith and the Imoen romance mod. Even if you ARE into kinky stuff, you'd still better avoid them.

Angelo is an excellent mod. Well written and an interesting character...

It's very subjective of course, but imo the best NPC mod out there is The Longer Road, which gives you a chance to recruit Jon Irenicus and redeem him. ,If you do decide to play that mod, avoid doing level 3 of Watcher's Keep till you've recruited Irenicus, otherwise you'll miss out on a large part of the mod's storyline. Note that Irenus is horribly overpowered (Edwin is a bad joke compared to him) , but if that doesn't bother you i recommend playing the mod. For even more fun, recruit both Irenicus and Edwin. Then let the Chain Contingencies fly and clear every map in about ten seconds.

[Triaxx2]

Tashia. Totally awesome, well done story. I don't recall if she's got anything in TOB, though since I rarely ever finish SOA.

[Grond0]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Imoen is your sister. You share the same biological father.

Even if siblings aint been raised together it's still incest lol. The incestuous part comes from the genetics.

You may think that, but others may not consider Imoen's case in the same way.  Having a god as a father does funny things - to the genes as well as the personality.  Consider that Imoen is fully human whereas [Charname] can be any race.  Personally I find it a bit difficult to see how a liaison between a dwarf and a human could be classed as incest, although I can see why you might argue differently.

[Grimwald the Wise]

Flamedance wrote...

Unless you're into really kinky stuff like paedophilia and incest, you'd better avoid Saerilith and the Imoen romance mod. Even if you ARE into kinky stuff, you'd still better avoid them.

Angelo is an excellent mod. Well written and an interesting character...

It's very subjective of course, but imo the best NPC mod out there is The Longer Road, which gives you a chance to recruit Jon Irenicus and redeem him. ,If you do decide to play that mod, avoid doing level 3 of Watcher's Keep till you've recruited Irenicus, otherwise you'll miss out on a large part of the mod's storyline. Note that Irenus is horribly overpowered (Edwin is a bad joke compared to him) , but if that doesn't bother you i recommend playing the mod. For even more fun, recruit both Irenicus and Edwin. Then let the Chain Contingencies fly and clear every map in about ten seconds.

If you have a problem with youngsters having sex, then you shouldn't install ANY romance mods as CHARNAME is refered to time and time again as child.

I have never completed the game with Saerileth, so don't know from experience whether there is any sex, but the romance is quite nice, very similar to my own experience.

[Flamedance]

Gorion refers to CHARNAME as child. Which he/she actually is, of course. IIRC, CHARNAME is supposed to be 18 years old when starting her/his adventure in Candlekeep. Hardly a child. Personally, i don't like any of the Bioware romances either, though the Viconia romance has some redeeming features.

It's very subjective. One of my best friends actually adores Anomen and romances him EVERY time she plays the game. To me, that's sick:P But hey, if it makes her happy:)

[Grimwald the Wise]

Drifted off topic so deleted.

Modifié par Grimwald the Wise, 18 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[The Potty 1]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Imoen is your sister. You share the same biological father.

Even if siblings aint been raised together it's still incest lol. The incestuous part comes from the genetics.

There's probably very little point in arguing about this, people seem to have a block where Imoen is concerned. Well here goes anyway ...

Firstly, do you understand genetics at all? You and Imoen share the same father, who is a god. I have absolutely no idea how gods are supposed to propogate, but in BG2 it's completely clear that it is neither biological nor dependent on genes. If genes were somehow involved, then all of Bhaal's progeny would be at least half-human, assuming Bhaal himself was human (which is not very clear). If the mother was human, you would get a human child, if the mother was elven, you would get a half-elven child, if the mother was an orc, you would get a half-orc. Elves, dwarves, gnomes, or halflings would NEVER occur. Dragons such as Abazigal, Giants such as Yaga-Sura, Drow such as Sendai would NEVER occur. The only mechanism I can see for this to work is for the genes to come entirely from the mother, and Bhaal to impart some of his divine essence to the genes.

Second, the mod itself is well written, and the easiest relationship path is completely platonic as friends. If you are determined to pursue the romance, you can, but it is not something you can do by accident.

To be clear, inbreeding is a terrible thing, to be avoided because of the potential for horrific genetic problems. In terms of basic statistics, there is only a 1 in 4 chance that a child of two siblings would have two copies of the same DNA strand, but such a child would almost certainly never reach term. However, DNA is more dynamic than this simple statistical model assumes, chunks out of one strand can swap over to the other strand, so even if the child had 99.9% unique DNA over two strands, the amount of recessive genes which would be in use would result in extreme problems. Don't try this at home kids.

[ScotGaymer]

I just don't like the idea of the Imoen romance.

She is your sister period. Even if you didn't actually share the same father - which you do - you were raised together and at repeated points during the game you can make clear that Imoen is like a sister to you.
And if that's how Charname feels about her; then a romance with her is just squicky.

Sorry. It just is.

No matter how "good" it is from a writing standpoint; squick is still squick.

Could be worse tho. It could be like the Saerileth or Tsujatha mods. *shudder* Horrible, horrible writing in those mods. Being an amateur author, I find it offends my eyes at how badly they are written.
Though I don't think I would hate them as much if the mod authors were actually open to constructive criticism; but they aren't sadly.

The fact that Saerileth is 15 doesn't bother me too much um because it's possible for her to be "of age" by the time you do anything with her; and the age difference between her and charname isn't huge.
It's just the bad writing for me. Lol.

[Son of Imoen]

I tried out Saerlith in one of my BG installs that i've named 'Shadows of Saerlith' after what the mod was called in a review that really hates the mod. I installed it for laughs, really bad can turn around to be funny. And if you don't take it too serious yourself (though the mod writers seem to do) it can be enjoying, just not in the regular mod-way. And besides being laughably bad written, Saerilith can be cute as well. It's funny as well as kind of endearing if you read how she trembles as she takes your hand. It's very puberesque.

But asked about what mods are the best, from my experience it would be Amber as well as Xan for BG2 (taken from PocketPlane). Both are not romanceable but have well-written friendship paths, though the Amber friendship has more depth to it than Xan. And Xan's voice takes getting used too, the voicing is a bit too poche and resolute to sound as depressed as the original.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Flamedance wrote...
Unless you're into really kinky stuff like paedophilia

The correct term would be ephebophilia.
Paedophilia is a sexual interest in prepubescent children.

FitScotGaymer wrote...
you were raised together

Remember that this is supposed to be a (partially) medieval world. Travelling is dangerous to normal folk and villages tend to be quite small. Having been raised together can't be anything out of the ordinary for married couples.

and at repeated points
during the game you can make clear that Imoen is like a sister to you.

And see, this is where roleplaying comes in. You can make it clear that you are evil, or that you are one of the good guys, or that you are in love with Viconia or that you only care for Jaheira or any number of mutually exclusive things.

Flamedance wrote...
CHARNAME is supposed to be 18 years
old when starting her/his adventure in Candlekeep. Hardly a child.

You are using human measures. Elves become physically mature at the age of 25 and emotionally at around 125 (source: wikipedia).

[CoM Solaufein]

The best advice is pay a visit to the modding communities and read up on the NPC mods that they host. Then you will get an idea on what mod suites you. Asking individuals for advice is going to give you mixed messages and then you won't know who to believe. I can say mod X sucks until I'm blue in the face and someone else will say its the best mod since sliced bread. So who will you believe?

[ScotGaymer]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Flamedance wrote...
Unless you're into really kinky stuff like paedophilia

The correct term would be ephebophilia.
Paedophilia is a sexual interest in prepubescent children.

FitScotGaymer wrote...
you were raised together

Remember that this is supposed to be a (partially) medieval world. Travelling is dangerous to normal folk and villages tend to be quite small. Having been raised together can't be anything out of the ordinary for married couples.

and at repeated points
during the game you can make clear that Imoen is like a sister to you.

And see, this is where roleplaying comes in. You can make it clear that you are evil, or that you are one of the good guys, or that you are in love with Viconia or that you only care for Jaheira or any number of mutually exclusive things.

Flamedance wrote...
CHARNAME is supposed to be 18 years
old when starting her/his adventure in Candlekeep. Hardly a child.

You are using human measures. Elves become physically mature at the age of 25 and emotionally at around 125 (source: wikipedia).

Well for me it's just a taste thing for the Imoen romance thing. Even if you "dont know" at the start and sharing a "godly" father means you don't share DNA...It is still in my eye's, incest.
Just my POV.

The Age thing really puts the Jaheira and Viconia romances into perspective as well doesn't it?

I mean if you are playing as an Elf CHARNAME - he/she is 20. Considered by the Elves as a prepubescent teenager?
Yikes.

CoM Solaufein wrote...

The best advice is pay a visit to
the modding communities and read up on the NPC mods that they host. Then
you will get an idea on what mod suites you. Asking individuals for
advice is going to give you mixed messages and then you won't know who
to believe. I can say mod X sucks until I'm blue in the face and someone
else will say its the best mod since sliced bread. So who will you
believe?

Well of course.

Asking for advice doesn't mean to take that advice no matter what, or you accept it blindly.

The point of advice is to give you a "good" barometer of which ones might suit you and which might not. You might choose to ignore that advice, and as you say discover you like the mod that the person advised you to avoid.

Just because I despise the Saerileth and Tsujatha mods doesn't mean that In expect everyone else to. But if someone asks me "which NPC mods do you like, and not like?" I am going to be honest and say - "I like Nathaniel and Solaufein; and don't like Saerileth and Tsujatha."
Not gonna lie about it.

[BelgarathMTH]

My favorite mod NPC is Gavin, by Berelinde. She recently completed ToB material for him, at least in beta form.

I also played and enjoyed the Faren mod.

[mickey111]

I've had a lot of bad experiences with NPC mods for BG... a few that I thought were "okay", were Kelsy and Solaufein. Not going to name and shame the bad ones, but from what I've played of them I am going to assume that the mod writers have very little social interaction irl and have never had (consensual) sex. The people who wrote Kelsey and Sola weren't great, I did get the impression that the writers had some kind of social intelligence and social lives, which in my opinion is a requirement for writers to write characters that are not so terribly written to the extent of some of the worst NPC mods which I regard as mind-blowing for the wrong reasons.