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[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

You're focusing on repeating "It magic", that is not a fact. Do I really need to reiterate that science fiction is usually existing sceince modifed with a bit of fictional physics to allow cool things to happen? They work within these confines to establish what is and isn't possible within said fictional universe. Any thing that is established to be possible with in fictional universe = science fiction, anything that isn't = magic.

Here's a real fact that Element Zero and Mass Relays don't exist while they're pretty much defined as magic.

Greylycantrope wrote... 

Yes I know mass effect fields and biotics don't occur in reality. In Mass Effect however they have been established with fictional science. FICTIONAL SCIENCE, NOT DRAGONS OR MAGIC THEY ARE NOT ONE AND THE SAME. I hope I've been clear. 

Again the rules in ME are established by magic with Mass Relays and Element Zero, which makes biotics into mages in ME's univrese.  Its still magic even if its explained in the codex.  I love how you're saying I'm thick based on how I'm focusing of the facts not opinion.  Btw dragons aren't always based on magic, which is why you should give up with that straw-mann.

It's like talking to a broken record. Dragons are not a strawman they are an alegory to the topic at hand.

[ld1449]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

You're focusing on repeating "It magic", that is not a fact. Do I really need to reiterate that science fiction is usually existing sceince modifed with a bit of fictional physics to allow cool things to happen? They work within these confines to establish what is and isn't possible within said fictional universe. Any thing that is established to be possible with in fictional universe = science fiction, anything that isn't = magic.

Here's a real fact that Element Zero and Mass Relays don't exist while they're pretty much defined as magic.

Greylycantrope wrote... 

Yes I know mass effect fields and biotics don't occur in reality. In Mass Effect however they have been established with fictional science. FICTIONAL SCIENCE, NOT DRAGONS OR MAGIC THEY ARE NOT ONE AND THE SAME. I hope I've been clear. 

Again the rules in ME are established by magic with Mass Relays and Element Zero, which makes biotics into mages in ME's univrese.  Its still magic even if its explained in the codex.  I love how you're saying I'm thick based on how I'm focusing of the facts not opinion.  Btw dragons aren't always based on magic, which is why you should give up with that straw-mann.

No you're focusing on your interpretation of things and how they translate to you as fact.

Opinion =/= fact.

You believe that everything in sci fi boils down to just magic with a different coat of paint. Rules of literature state otherwise, the fact that you refuse to see things outside of your interpretation does not make his argument  wrong, it just makes your perspective very very limited.

[Necrotron]

I'd take just about anything different with the ending, but their approach to the ending seems to be 90% their vision and 10% compromise with the playerbase.

I really don't see anything happening, or any hope for Mass Effect at this point. They already 'fixed' what they felt needed fixing in terms of compromise.

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's a rare element that essentially allows the manifulation of mass, mainly mass's effects on weight, no more no less.

Yet it gives organics magical powers.

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's like talking to a broken record. Dragons are not a strawman they are an alegory to the topic at hand.

Using dragons is a straw-mann for magic just like how golems can be magic or pure technology. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

just because its not in the real world doessn't mean its magic, in the Mass Effect universe it science, which makes itScience Fiction in our world, the Synthesis ending on the other hand completely shatters what Sci-Fi.

Yet biotics are magic based on Element Zero like jedis/sith with midichlorians.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:35 .

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's a rare element that essentially allows the manifulation of mass, mainly mass's effects on weight, no more no less.

Yet it gives organics magical powers.

Manipulates Mass Effect fields.

You really need to stop, this is not achieving what you seem to think it is.  Go read up on SF and fantasy and then read up on a lot of SF elements that now exist in the real world.  Constantly repeating the same thing just indicates you don't know what you are talking about.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's a rare element that essentially allows the manifulation of mass, mainly mass's effects on weight, no more no less.

Yet it gives organics magical powers.

It gives organics the power to manipulate mass, mainly mass's effect on weight, through the use of neural implants, no more no less.

EDIT: Just realized I forgot one thing, should have also mentioned mass's effect on acceleration.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:39 .

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Manipulates Mass Effect fields.

You really need to stop, this is not achieving what you seem to think it is.  Go read up on SF and fantasy and then read up on a lot of SF elements that now exist in the real world.  Constantly repeating the same thing just indicates you don't know what you are talking about.

Greylycantrope wrote...

It gives organics the power to manipulate mass, mainly mass's effect on weight, through the use of neural implants, no more no less.

Yep thats magic all right based on Element Zero giving organics magical powers.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Manipulates Mass Effect fields.

You really need to stop, this is not achieving what you seem to think it is.  Go read up on SF and fantasy and then read up on a lot of SF elements that now exist in the real world.  Constantly repeating the same thing just indicates you don't know what you are talking about.

Greylycantrope wrote...

It gives organics the power to manipulate mass, mainly mass's effect on weight, through the use of neural implants, no more no less.

Yep thats magic all right based on Element Zero giving organics magical powers.

No it isn't.

[Blueprotoss]

ld1449 wrote...

No you're focusing on your interpretation of things and how they translate to you as fact.

Yet this is fact not opinion

ld1449 wrote... 

Opinion =/= fact.

Yet don't decide whats fact or opinion based on opinion.

ld1449 wrote... 

You believe that everything in sci fi boils down to just magic with a different coat of paint. Rules of literature state otherwise, the fact that you refuse to see things outside of your interpretation does not make his argument  wrong, it just makes your perspective very very limited.

In one form or another there is magic in sc-fi based on how sci-fi is still under fantasy and insulting me won't help you.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Manipulates Mass Effect fields.

You really need to stop, this is not achieving what you seem to think it is.  Go read up on SF and fantasy and then read up on a lot of SF elements that now exist in the real world.  Constantly repeating the same thing just indicates you don't know what you are talking about.

Greylycantrope wrote...

It gives organics the power to manipulate mass, mainly mass's effect on weight, through the use of neural implants, no more no less.

Yep thats magic all right based on Element Zero giving organics magical powers.

there really is no point in trying to talk to you, you always repeat the samething even when we gave a reason

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yep thats magic all right based on Element Zero giving organics magical powers.

No it isn't.

Thats like saying the Geth aren't synthetics.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

there really is no point in trying to talk to you, you always repeat the samething even when we gave a reason

You can't argue the facts and these reasons that you speak of are just opinions.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:43 .

[Skirata129]

please don't feed the blueprotoss. I don't want this petition shut down because it wanders off topic.

[AresKeith]

right back to topic, hows the poll going?

[Skirata129]

definitely better now that I've removed the conventional victory part. 7/10 for versus the 3/5 it was before. Don't really see how beating the reapers using a combination of cyberwarfare and hit and run tactics isn't conventional, but go figure.

[ld1449]

AresKeith wrote...

right back to topic, hows the poll going?

Strong at 71 percent last I checked.:innocent:

[AresKeith]

Skirata129 wrote...

definitely better now that I've removed the conventional victory part. 7/10 for versus the 3/5 it was before. Don't really see how beating the reapers using a combination of cyberwarfare and hit and run tactics isn't conventional, but go figure.

if the Crucible was a Dark Energy weapon like 3D said things would be so much better

[ddraigcoch123]

darn it why cant i find the poll... i want to vote...

ah ok... found it... darn wish i had waited before i did the idiot post...

Modifié par ddraigcoch123, 19 juillet 2012 - 10:29 .

[D24O]

Wort wort wort!

[Grub Killer8016]

Ah, the ending we should've gotten. But you know the chances of Bioware actually giving in and doing it are slim. But I vote for it 100%

Grub Killer8016

[AresKeith]

ddraigcoch123 wrote...

darn it why cant i find the poll... i want to vote...

here it is http://social.biowar...67/polls/36999/

[Skirata129]

first page, link is the word "poll"

[ddraigcoch123]

Skirata129 wrote...

first page, link is the word "poll"

lol well now no need to rub it in

[BouncyFrag]

D24O wrote...

Wort wort wort!

+1

oh, and signs petition

Edit: upon reflection, even if they did do this, a revision ending of an already revised ending is too late for it to feel good. By 'feel good' I mean having that great ending experience the first time you play through a game. For me games like Kotor and Dragon Age come to mind. It's time to let go.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 19 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .